Truthisnotyourenemy
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Muslims promote peace only when it suits them.
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Does Islam promote peace?
- Thread starter Agnostic75
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Muslims promote peace only when it suits them.
CynthiaCypher
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Are you really equating Muslims with locust? I think you better check yourself.
And peace seems to suit millions and millions of Muslims most of the time: Pretty much like most people.
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I know! You just can't pick up a physics textbook these days without reading twenty or thirty pages devoted to all the reasons the Second Law of Thermodynamics dictates that we should invade Canada. It's appalling!
So true.
Truthisnotyourenemy
Member
Yes it does for 'moderate Muslims'.
It seems to me the scriptures of at least some of the major religions are ambiguous on the issues of war and peace. And I would certainly agree that the clergy in at least some of the major religions have historically tended, with many notable exceptions, to get on the war bandwagon whenever a war breaks out, or has been imminent. There's a long history of clergy working hand in hand with political leaders to rouse up the common folk to go to war. That history is countered by the fact that there is also a long history of some clergy -- usually a minority, it seems to me -- opposing war.
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Very true, if by "reality" you just happen to mean the fictional worldview of Islamophobic alarmists.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
Great, another theist who don't understand that some expressions or similes weren't and shouldn't be taken literally.
That wasn't a simile, that was an insult. You were insulting Muslims and you know it.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
When I read about particle physics, it make my fingers itch, I become about splitting atoms, and blowing up my neighbourhood down.
You better hope the NSA isn't monitoring us right now.
gnostic
The Lost One
cynthiacypher said:
It is a simile, and it is quite appropriate simile for any empire.
After Muhammad's death, they strike at Syria, which at that time was province of Byzantine empire, then the Sassanid Empire. They took over Egypt, Libya, and much of the Iberian peninsula. They went further east, later, and hit India and even what we later called western China. They spread east and west.
No, Cynthia. Locusts are just as apt simile of the Islamic empires as any other.
Am I siding with the Byzantine or the Persian empires? No, I am not. I am just a student of history, especially that of ancient Greece and Rome, but I found the Middle Ages also very interesting, and I have read the spread of empires of every ages, during those times.
It is undeniable that the Islamic empires was spread by force of arms (hence, by conquests) as much as their religion. To deny that both happened, is to deny history. But the problem, is that some Muslims here, refused to admit that they have a dark past, especially that of their beloved prophet.
I actually respect people more than I respect religions, or their prophets or messiah. And though I find all gods to be interested, I don't have to respect them, especially if they expect people bow them and worship them.
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
I would be most interested in seeing how you conclude that the Baha'i Faith is not peaceful, the more so given that:
- waging war is expressly forbidden in the Baha'i scriptures, and
- back when there was a draft, Baha'is were urged to apply for noncombatant status.
Not to mention that those who hold administrative positions hold no special status or power whatever, and that there is no clergy or hierarchy.
Peace,
Bruce
gnostic
The Lost One
Bruce DLimber said:
Sorry, Bruce. I sometimes forget that Baha'i Faith is a different religion. And quite frankly, I had not explore Baha'i Faith deeply, nor do I understand it.
It is a relatively new religion, and population-wise, seen as minority. It seem to be like a Replacement Theology of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and even Buddhism. From what I can see so far it has a closer tie to Islam, than all the others.
As a minority, it has been subjected to persecution, by countries that largely followed Islam. That probably because Muslims believed see Baha'is as heretics or apostates.
So far, Baha'i Faith has not wield any real social (except among themselves), political or military power. If Baha'i Faith ever gain such powers, it may cease to be "peaceful".
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CynthiaCypher
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You also forgot the Jains.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
Sorry. My bad.
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
You overlook the fact that Baha'is seek no such power!
And that partisan poiltics is roundly condemned and always to be avoided.
So any such "prediction" about its future is pure hot air unsupported by facts, the more so given that the Baha'i scriptures include statements like these:
“O people of the earth!
“The first Glad-Tidings which the Mother Book hath, in this Most Great Revelation, imparted to all the peoples of the world is that the law of holy war hath been blotted out from the Book. Glorified be the All-Merciful, the Lord of grace abounding, through Whom the door of heavenly bounty hath been flung open in the face of all that are in Heaven and on earth.
“The second Glad-Tidings . . .”
--Tablets of Baha’u’llah, pp. 21-22
“Beware lest ye shed the blood of anyone. Unsheathe the sword of your tongue from the scabbard of utterance, for therewith ye can conquer the citadels of men’s hearts. We have abolished the law to wage holy war against each other. God’s mercy, hath, verily, encompassed all created things, if ye do but understand. Aid ye your Lord, the God of Mercy, with the sword of understanding. Keener indeed is it, and more finely tempered, than the sword of utterance, were ye but to reflect upon the words of your Lord. Thus have the hosts of Divine Revelation been sent down by God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting, and thus have the armies of divine inspiration been made manifest from the Source of command, as bidden by God, the All-Glorious, the Best-Beloved.”
--The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p 23
That said, if you'd like to learn more about the Faith, please visit:
http://www.bahai.org
And I'll be most happy to answer any questions you may have about it!
Peace,
Bruce