Does Islam promote peace?

[gnostic]

You know with all this media and claims against Islam, it is still the fastest growing religion !

Why do some Muslims bring up this childish and petty bragging?

Doesn't it mean anything?

The main reasons why it is growing fast is not because it has a lot more conversions, is because Muslims have large families, children that are born into Islam, because it is the only religion in most places with large population of Muslims (or Muslim-majority).

In Australia the fastest growing religion is Buddhism, by a large margin, to the 2nd place, Islam. But regardless of which religion is growing the fastest, bragging about it would be considered childish and arrogant, and un-Muslim-like, don't you think?

Do Muslims like to brag?

 

[Sabour]

Why do some Muslims bring up this childish and petty bragging?

Doesn't it mean anything?

The main reasons why it is growing fast is not because it has a lot more conversions, is because Muslims have large families, children that are born into Islam, because it is the only religion in most places with large population of Muslims (or Muslim-majority).

In Australia the fastest growing religion is Buddhism, by a large margin, to the 2nd place, Islam. But regardless of which religion is growing the fastest, bragging about it would be considered childish and arrogant, and un-Muslim-like, don't you think?

Do Muslims like to brag?

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the United States because of CONVERSION, not immigration. It is said that the new mosques being built in the United States over the last 2 years have 30% of people going to it as converts. In fact, according to Brittanica, Islam has the highest conversion rate in the world.

 

[gnostic]

So you do like to brag.

So what this bragging have to do with this topic or in reply to my earlier post?

Nothing, zilch. Just empty words.

 

[Sabour]

So you do like to brag.

So what this bragging have to do with this topic or in reply to my earlier post?

Nothing, zilch. Just empty words.

I am not bragging, I am saying that if it weren't peaceful, it wouldn't have been the fastest growing religion, especially with all the claims against it.

 

[YmirGF]

I am not bragging, I am saying that if it weren't peaceful, it wouldn't have been the fastest growing religion, especially with all the claims against it.

Never underestimate the gullibility of the average human animal.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I am not bragging, I am saying that if it weren't peaceful, it wouldn't have been the fastest growing religion, especially with all the claims against it.

Yeah, Right :sarcastic... Just like how Roman Catholicism was the fastest growing religion in Spain during the Spanish Inquisition by being friendly and not by ripping people's limbs off.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I guess the view on whither Islam is peaceful or not depends on a point of view. Much media portrayal depicts Islam as being intolerant and vicious. Much footage is viewed that gives violence it's own own defining quality from those who institute it for their cause.

Let's face the reality at the moment.

Islam is undeniably associated with extreme violence these days. There are hardly any high profile Imans speaking out vocally against it that seems to effect the situation the religion is in.

It's hard to view Muslims overall in light of the reputation that precedes it.

I know there are peaceful Muslims and sects of Islam that I feel are trying to be peaceful. I don't think Islam was always a violent religion, but something obviously changed the overall nature of the religion in how it deals with issues that face it.

For now, it's hard to see the promotion of peace from a religion that acquired such a stigma that understandably is difficult to shake off.

I think Islam has the potential for peaceful coexistence as it has in the past, but for now I feel there needs to be a redress of how Muslims (Primarily it's leadership) go about solving their problems akin to an animal with it's back to a wall lashing and snarling at anything that crosses the line.

 

[IHaveTheGift]

Considering it is forced upon its people and they face death for rejecting it, I see nothing peaceful about that.
One thing I know without a doubt is if it was as peaceful as ifs claimed to be, force and death by rejecting it wouldn't be part of the doctrine itself.
I believe in the Christian God and if that makes me an enemy of Islam by default, so be it.
Jesus said to love ones enemy, not murder him in his sleep
If presented to me, I will defend myself, but I wont force my beliefs on anyone.
If the Quran says otherwise, it is wrong.
By default, God equals love, if this, that and the other thing, isn't even plausible.

I have always said this and to me, it makes perfect sense, if your "God" promotes hate and destruction, you're not following God, you are following man.
WBC is a fine example of such twisting of what God says and wants.

 

[Sabour]

Sorry to you guys, but if any religion faced 10 percent of what Islam is facing from misconceptions and attacks from the media and other religions, it would collapse.

9:32 They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

Sorry but I love that verse

 

[YmirGF]

Sorry to you guys, but if any religion faced 10 percent of what Islam is facing from misconceptions and attacks from the media and other religions, it would collapse.

9:32 They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

Sorry but I love that verse

Though there is some truth about media bias, the misconceptions often stem from the wide range of opinions given by Muslim "scholars" themselves. If you pick almost any topic, we could both bring out dozens of "scholars" who weighed in from a given perspective. My guess is that is where the so-called "misconceptions" come from. Likewise, one will often get far different answers from Sunni, Shia or Ahmadiyya Muslims on given questions. So, is it so hard to understand where the confusion originates?

 

[Sabour]

Though there is some truth about media bias, the misconceptions often stem from the wide range of opinions given by Muslim "scholars" themselves. If you pick almost any topic, we could both bring out dozens of "scholars" who weighed in from a given perspective. My guess is that is where the so-called "misconceptions" come from. Likewise, one will often get far different answers from Sunni, Shia or Ahmadiyya Muslims on given questions. So, is it so hard to understand where the confusion originates?

This confusion is part of the test that humans are given in this world. It is unfair that whose who are born muslims don't have a test.

If you think that you will find the right path by doing nothing and waiting, than it is your problem.

Seek the truth with your heart and you will find it.

 

[beenie]

Islam is growing fast in the US and in the West because of immigration. In addition, Wester women are converting often to marry Muslim men.

 

[YmirGF]

If you think that you will find the right path by doing nothing and waiting, than it is your problem.

Seek the truth with your heart and you will find it.

The unmitigated arrogance of your suggestion is truly offensive. I do not subscribe to the childish nonsense that there is a "right way" to live ones life. There are a lot of ignorant people who would like to think that their way is the "right" way, but I am a tad beyond such infantile ramblings.

In closing, I know enough about so-called "truth" to understand that what is called "confirmation bias" is closer to reality for most human animals, that is, if you are interested in the unvarnished "truth" on the matter. My guess is that most wouldn't understand "The Truth" if it jumped out of the ground and stole their lollipop.

 

[Sabour]

The unmitigated arrogance of your suggestion is truly offensive. I do not subscribe to the childish nonsense that there is a "right way" to live ones life. There are a lot of ignorant people who would like to think that their way is the "right" way, but I am a tad beyond such infantile ramblings.

In closing, I know enough about so-called "truth" to understand that what is called "confirmation bias" is closer to reality for most human animals, that is, if you are interested in the unvarnished "truth" on the matter. My guess is that most wouldn't understand "The Truth" if it jumped out of the ground and stole their lollipop.

I didn't mean you in particular. I was talking in general.

 

[Awkward Fingers]

I am not bragging, I am saying that if it weren't peaceful, it wouldn't have been the fastest growing religion, especially with all the claims against it.

So, I'm curious.
If I can tell you a time when Islam was NOT the fastest growing religion, would you then say that, at that time, Islam was false?

And if you go by percent, I think Pastafarian is the fastest growing religion, now that is has been accepted as a religion in some areas. Does that make the FSM more true than Allah?

 

[gnostic]

If you think that you will find the right path by doing nothing and waiting, than it is your problem.

Seek the truth with your heart and you will find it.

The heart wouldn't know any "truth" if it jump out of the ground in front of person.

The heart, though very essential in life, realistically, technically and biologically, is nothing more than pump that circulate blood through our blood vessels. It is incapable of thinking or feeling.

All the thinking and feeling with come from the brain registering sensation or perception of what we see, hear, feel or smell, not from the heart.

People who referred to or say, that we should think or feel from HEART, is merely a metaphor, because it is the BRAIN that do all the thinking or feeling.

The feeling of fear, in which we perceive a threat and our heart pump or beat faster, is due to perception of threat (whether the perception come from we see, hear, feel or smell) that the brain registered, this cause the (adrenal) gland(s) to flood with epinephrine (or adrenaline). It is this adrenaline that cause the heart to beat faster. This same adrenaline also cause our other organs like the lungs to breath faster and harder than we normally do.

Anyway, it is the brain doing what it do, and when the face with dangerous threat, though the fear cause the heart beat faster, we are forced into dilemma between fight or flight.

You couldn't seek the truth literally from the heart, because in reality the heart couldn't possibly distinguish the truth from falsehood.

But regardless of the biology and psychology, I know what you mean, even though I believe that the truth-seeking hearts are technically false analogy.

As to "seeking the truth", regardless of using the brain or heart, I couldn't and wouldn't convert to Islam, because of the interpretations of specific verses, are truly inaccurate and unscientific description in the Qur'an. I have seen many of the so-called claims of scientific miracles, over the last 10 years (or more), quoted by various Muslims in 3 different forums (RF wasn't the first forum that I had joined). This is because the verses are inaccurate, and Muslims based their argument in favour of these verses, on misinformation, and on various or combination of logical fallacies.

If I was to join Islam, it wouldn't be because of anything to do with science. Muslim used to be head of science 600+ years ago, but now some of these contemporary Muslims don't know or understand what is science, and used propaganda and misinformation, because they (some Muslims) no longer tell the truth when it come to science.

 

[Sabour]

So, I'm curious.
If I can tell you a time when Islam was NOT the fastest growing religion, would you then say that, at that time, Islam was false?

And if you go by percent, I think Pastafarian is the fastest growing religion, now that is has been accepted as a religion in some areas. Does that make the FSM more true than Allah?

I didn't say that this proves it right. I said that if it weren't peaceful, it wouldn't have been the fastest growing religion.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I didn't say that this proves it right. I said that if it weren't peaceful, it wouldn't have been the fastest growing religion.

It has nothing to do with peace. Islam's growth is mostly due to birth rates.

 

[Sabour]

The heart wouldn't know any "truth" if it jump out of the ground in front of person.

The heart, though very essential in life, realistically, technically and biologically, is nothing more than pump that circulate blood through our blood vessels. It is incapable of thinking or feeling.

All the thinking and feeling with come from the brain registering sensation or perception of what we see, hear, feel or smell, not from the heart.

People who referred to or say, that we should think or feel from HEART, is merely a metaphor, because it is the BRAIN that do all the thinking or feeling.

The feeling of fear, in which we perceive a threat and our heart pump or beat faster, is due to perception of threat (whether the perception come from we see, hear, feel or smell) that the brain registered, this cause the (adrenal) gland(s) to flood with epinephrine (or adrenaline). It is this adrenaline that cause the heart to beat faster. This same adrenaline also cause our other organs like the lungs to breath faster and harder than we normally do.

Anyway, it is the brain doing what it do, and when the face with dangerous threat, though the fear cause the heart beat faster, we are forced into dilemma between fight or flight.

You couldn't seek the truth literally from the heart, because in reality the heart couldn't possibly distinguish the truth from falsehood.

But regardless of the biology and psychology, I know what you mean, even though I believe that the truth-seeking hearts are technically false analogy.

As to "seeking the truth", regardless of using the brain or heart, I couldn't and wouldn't convert to Islam, because of the interpretations of specific verses, are truly inaccurate and unscientific description in the Qur'an. I have seen many of the so-called claims of scientific miracles, over the last 10 years (or more), quoted by various Muslims in 3 different forums (RF wasn't the first forum that I had joined). This is because the verses are inaccurate, and Muslims based their argument in favour of these verses, on misinformation, and on various or combination of logical fallacies.

If I was to join Islam, it wouldn't be because of anything to do with science. Muslim used to be head of science 600+ years ago, but now some of these contemporary Muslims don't know or understand what is science, and used propaganda and misinformation, because they (some Muslims) no longer tell the truth when it come to science.

After extensive research, one of the early pioneers in neurocardiology, Dr. J. Andrew Armour, introduced the concept of a functional "heart brain" in 1991. His work revealed that the heart has a complex intrinsic nervous system that is sufficiently sophisticated to qualify as a "little brain" in its own right.

Again, we are not claiming that we are scientists through Quraan, We are saying that since it is the word of God, there are scientific signs that prove that Quraan is not the work of men.

peace

 

[Sabour]

It has nothing to do with peace. Islam's growth is mostly due to birth rates.

According to Brittanica, Islam has the highest conversion rate in the world.