Willful ignorance run amok. Surprise!My answer to the OP is now that logic does equal truth!
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Willful ignorance run amok. Surprise!My answer to the OP is now that logic does equal truth!
If you want to talk about timelessness then I'll just say. Time adheres to our physical universe. Time and space are entwined in some way. Gets pretty interesting. My beleif is that God pre existed time and space as a conscious being. However, I wonder if a separate set of time existed where God is or not. I don't know. I'm okay with not knowing that.
I also wonder, if time began with the big bang, is God now in time? Or is God still outside of time?
I do think the God scenario is most likely. I beleive it. There are a lot of reasons why.
Agreed!!!If it seems like every possibility is impossible, then either:
- Our judgement of what's possible and impossible must be wrong, or
- There are possibilities we haven't considered.
There are a number of logical explanations for the same reality.
If I show up at your house, logically I could have taken the bus, walked or driven my car.
Should the door opener assume they know which is the most logical way?
I hear you on this. What you just said is kind of what I have been realizing as we have been discussing this. So, good point.Logically speaking, everything we profess to know comes from logical infallices. It shows us that the only truth we that we know is that we do not know anything.
Then you have solved perhaps the greatest problem of modern physics.. I know gravity holds me on earth.
LOL.Then you have solved perhaps the greatest problem of modern physics.
But the curvature of spacetime (the closest thing we have to a theory of gravitation) doesn't involve gravity. So our best explanation of why the squirrel will fall doesn't involve gravity and holds it to be non-existent. Meanwhile, in particle physics, we still don't have gravity but "particles" (in the non-particle sense of particle physics) we call "gravitons".I know it exists. Even a squirrel knows if it jumps and misses the branch, it will fall to the ground.
That thinking is a mistake I shouldn't make, and that I've been up for 24+ hours again because of this horrific cognitive process.What do you think?
Thank you for your reply.But the curvature of spacetime (the closest thing we have to a theory of gravitation) doesn't involve gravity. So our best explanation of why the squirrel will fall doesn't involve gravity and holds it to be non-existent. Meanwhile, in particle physics, we still don't have gravity but "particles" (in the non-particle sense of particle physics) we call "gravitons".
That thinking is a mistake I shouldn't make, and that I've been up for 24+ hours again because of this horrific cognitive process.
"But I have promises to keepEnjoy some rest.
Haha. Well if you're working 2 jobs and getting your degree and balancing family and friends... good on ya mate"But I have promises to keep
And miles to go before I sleep
And miles to go before I sleep"
-Frost
I personally just have 1 job and family and this forum. Lol.Haha. Well if you're working 2 jobs and getting your degree and balancing family and friends... good on ya mate
I hear you on this. What you just said is kind of what I have been realizing as we have been discussing this. So, good point.
However, I feel like there are definitely some things I do know. I know there is a universe. I know I exist. I know gravityholds me on earth. I know I am a male. I know my name. I know I sleep in a bed at night. I know I like peaches.
Maybe I don't know everything about peaches. What is their molecular structure? What vitamin are they most full of? What does the dna of a peach look like? What do people in Ukraine call a peach?
My idea of a peach might be foggy. But I know it exists. I know I like it.
This is where I am at. I think we do know some things. But we definitely don't know every detail. We also all carry our own bias, even when thinking about a peach. The Egyptians may have called them beauty balls? Who is more correct? Lol
Anyway, I think you are correct on a higher level. We don't really see the picture of everything truly. But I think we know some basics and fundamentals.
I exist and the universe exists are some basics. But that is still a remarkable thing to know!
Interesting...
What do you think? #
It is.the ability to say ....I AM.....makes sense to me.
so....back at you......what is existence to you?
your senses which can be deceived
Hey Willamena can you shed some light on this?Okay I here you. We rely on our senses which can be deceived. "Can" be deceived isn't the same as continuously being deceived.
Yes my perceptions of a tree are based on the collection of constructs I have collected within my own personal experience, even if part of that is the collective knowledge of the people around and before me.
But it's a freaking tree man. Ask 10 people to stand around it and ask them if it is a tree. Unless, some annoying person is trying to sound smart.... they will all agree it's a tree.
I know I slept in bed last night and I know I have two legs. I know I don't know everything about biology and how exactly I walk... but I know I can walk run and jump.
So what do we call this kind of knowing? Is there a word that specifies things we know. Tautology? Willamena said that word. Is that what I'm getting at here
Okay I here you. We rely on our senses which can be deceived. "Can" be deceived isn't the same as continuously being deceived.
Yes my perceptions of a tree are based on the collection of constructs I have collected within my own personal experience, even if part of that is the collective knowledge of the people around and before me.
But it's a freaking tree man. Ask 10 people to stand around it and ask them if it is a tree. Unless, some annoying person is trying to sound smart.... they will all agree it's a tree.
I know I slept in bed last night and I know I have two legs. I know I don't know everything about biology and how exactly I walk... but I know I can walk run and jump.
So what do we call this kind of knowing? Is there a word that specifies things we know. Tautology? Willamena said that word. Is that what I'm getting at here
you might expand on this...just a bit.It is.
What sort of light?Hey Willamena can you shed some light on this?
I tried to add you to thus quote... but I am still learning RF format... did you get this?
It. And is.you might expand on this...just a bit.
Then nothing is fact, including the possibility that everything could be faked. If it's not possible that everything could be faked, why should I take it seriously?Since everything COULD be fake therfore nothing is fact.