Does pleasure weaken us?

[Spiderman]

It seems hard work makes a person stronger and their tolerance to hard work increases. Pleasure is the easy way. Doing what is easy doesn't really profit a person much. If we spend our time being lazy and indulging in pleasure all the time we grow weaker don't you think?

Time is going to go by and if that time is spent suffering and sacrificing, there can be benefits to it, and if that time is spent taking the easy road of pleasure and ease, it often leads to more suffering in the end, don't you think?

Pleasure can be refreshing, rejuvenating, energizing, and good at motivating a person. I just look back and ask myself "what good has it done"? It seems like the pleasure I've experienced has largely been worthless to me now, and in fact harmed me a lot with addictions, bad habits, and laziness. I guess moderation is healthier than abstinence though.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

If you take pleasure in work and leading a balanced life, is that still a life of pleasure?

 

[Spiderman]

If you take pleasure in work and leading a balanced life, is that still a life of pleasure?

Yes, but healthy and full of sacrifice

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In a hedonist manner, yes, but there is nothing wrong in doing things that bring you pleasure, and sometimes for some people they are able to make money doing things they enjoy.

I guess moderation is healthier than abstinence though.

Very much so, which is why hedonism doesn't work and why a life dedicated to work is just dull and boring.

 

[Nous]

Pleasure and hard work should not be antithetical.

 

[whirlingmerc]

It seems hard work makes a person stronger and their tolerance to hard work increases. Pleasure is the easy way. Doing what is easy doesn't really profit a person much. If we spend our time being lazy and indulging in pleasure all the time we grow weaker don't you think?

Time is going to go by and if that time is spent suffering and sacrificing, there can be benefits to it, and if that time is spent taking the easy road of pleasure and ease, it often leads to more suffering in the end, don't you think?

Pleasure can be refreshing, rejuvenating, energizing, and good at motivating a person. I just look back and ask myself "what good has it done"? It seems like the pleasure I've experienced has largely been worthless to me now, and in fact harmed me a lot with addictions, bad habits, and laziness. I guess moderation is healthier than abstinence though.

Some of the deepest joys come from hard choices and hard work

 

[psychoslice]

We are as a mind body organism pleasure spongers, we live only for pleasure, its only when we become addictive to whatever pleasure that it becomes a problem where we suffer. Its not the pleasure, but the wanting and need for pleasure, just as we need food which also can become an addiction.

 

[whirlingmerc]

We are as a mind body organism pleasure spongers, we live only for pleasure, its only when we become addictive to whatever pleasure that it becomes a problem where we suffer. Its not the pleasure, but the wanting and need for pleasure, just as we need food which also can become an addiction.

We are as a mind body organism pleasure spongers, we live only for pleasure, its only when we become addictive to whatever pleasure that it becomes a problem where we suffer. Its not the pleasure, but the wanting and need for pleasure, just as we need food which also can become an addiction.

It really depends what our desires rest on. We can desire light. Or darkness

 

[psychoslice]

It really depends what our desires rest on. We can desire light. Or darkness

Yes and that comes back to what I was saying, its not the desire, its the addiction, what many call light is darkness to another, and what others call darkness is light to another.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

It seems hard work makes a person stronger and their tolerance to hard work increases. Pleasure is the easy way. Doing what is easy doesn't really profit a person much. If we spend our time being lazy and indulging in pleasure all the time we grow weaker don't you think?

Time is going to go by and if that time is spent suffering and sacrificing, there can be benefits to it, and if that time is spent taking the easy road of pleasure and ease, it often leads to more suffering in the end, don't you think?

Pleasure can be refreshing, rejuvenating, energizing, and good at motivating a person. I just look back and ask myself "what good has it done"? It seems like the pleasure I've experienced has largely been worthless to me now, and in fact harmed me a lot with addictions, bad habits, and laziness. I guess moderation is healthier than abstinence though.

It really can work both ways.
But I think that most people actually harm themselves by denying themselves pleasure.
Its only by fully indulging to our hearts content that we begin to see clearly how silly it is to do so.

This is especially true for young people.
I lived a life of sheer hedonism more than anyone I know, but
now I'm more ascetic than anyone I know.

Its sad to see blokes in their forties chasing after booze and women
like I was doing in my teens and twenties.

By the time I was 34 I had adopted a life of complete celibacy and tea-totaling.

 

[VioletVortex]

Not inherently, but when one receives pleasure for being weak, then they will come to associate the two, and thus become weaker.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Not inherently, but when one receives pleasure for being weak, then they will come to associate the two, and thus become weaker.

Or one may receive mercy who is weak... and pleasure follow... not quite the same

 

[VioletVortex]

Or one may receive mercy who is weak... and pleasure follow... not quite the same

When you give mercy and favor to the weak, they will only become weaker, because that will advantage them temporarily. People are very near sighted. When rewarded for strength, one will become stronger.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

When you give mercy and favor to the weak, they will only become weaker, because that will advantage them temporarily. People are very near sighted. When rewarded for strength, one will become stronger.

How are you defining "weakness"?

 

[idea]

When you give mercy and favor to the weak, they will only become weaker, because that will advantage them temporarily. People are very near sighted. When rewarded for strength, one will become stronger.

Long term rewards vs. short term rewards.... although sometimes there are no rewards...

 

[VioletVortex]

How are you defining "weakness"?

I speak mainly of mental weakness, but physical weaknesses plays a role. Think about a person trying to lose weight. They have given themselves the duty to remain strong and not cave to weakness; their desire to go eat a donut. The problem is, that when they eat the donut, they are rewarding themselves with the taste, but in the long run, they are only hurting themselves. I've been there, I've caved to major weakness many times, and I got tired of it.

Schools nurture "special needs" kids heavily. I understand that some people have structural abnormalities in their brain, but when a kid is weird and doesn't interact well with others, psychologist will slap a label on him because that's what the parents were paying for. Then, the school will nurture the student, likely favoring them in arguments with enemies, preventing them from actually facing issues on their own. This perpetuates the problem, and they will be ****ed once they graduate.

I have been seriously injured multiple times, and I feel that I have gained something from all of these incidents. Negative, unpleasant situations are usually beneficial in the long run. What good has come out of eating donuts and having orgasms? Of course, you can't deprive yourself of pleasure either, that is equally bad for you. There is an ideal balance between the two.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Schools nurture "special needs" kids heavily. I understand that some people have structural abnormalities in their brain, but when a kid is weird and doesn't interact well with others, psychologist will slap a label on him because that's what the parents were paying for. Then, the school will nurture the student, likely favoring them in arguments with enemies, preventing them from actually facing issues on their own. This perpetuates the problem, and they will be ****ed once they graduate.

I'm not aware of schools doing this. I suppose by "weird", you mean students suffering from mental illnesses like depression and such. They don't tend to get special treatment and are generally ignored in the school system. At least when I was in school, we were. I was kicked out of 3 high schools for not going or doing any work due my severe depression and anxiety. No one cared or helped me. Even the so-called "guidance counselor" at the second high school didn't give a toss and she knew a bit about what was going on with me at home, and the abuse. She was even the one to tell me herself to GTFO out of the school, basically. Schools don't care about students suffering from mental illness. They're robot factories.

 

[SpiritQuest]

Pleasure and pain are opposites. All experiences during this life and other lifetimes are experiences that eventually result in awakening and enlightenment. The parable of the prodigal son is a story about awakening.

Parable of the Prodigal Son - Wikipedia

We are beings of pure light surrounded by the dense illusion of materiality.

“In every block of marble I see a statue as plain as though it stood before me, shaped and perfect in attitude and in action. I have only to hew away the rough walls that imprison the lovely apparition to reveal it to the other eyes as mine see it.” -- Michelangelo

 

[VioletVortex]

I'm not aware of schools doing this. I suppose by "weird", you mean students suffering from mental illnesses like depression and such. They don't tend to get special treatment and are generally ignored in the school system. At least when I was in school, we were. I was kicked out of 3 high schools for not going or doing any work due my severe depression and anxiety. No one cared or helped me. Even the so-called "guidance counselor" at the second high school didn't give a toss and she knew a bit about what was going on with me at home, and the abuse. She was even the one to tell me herself to GTFO out of the school, basically. Schools don't care about students suffering from mental illness. They're robot factories.

Some schools have "special needs" programs. In reality, the students need to be held to the same standards as the normal ones. I am depressed frequently (I prefer the term melancholy) because I am forced to wake up at seven in the morning only to be around a bunch of ********, and then to be told I'm wrong about everything. It's merely circumstantial, there's no "chemical imbalance" in my brain. I was diagnosed with autism essentially because I dislike eye contact, and I used to sit alone at lunch. That's inane when you take into account that most autistic people are verbally and functionality impaired. It strips the term of its meaning when you use it to define just about anyone. I actually have a class exemption, and I am actually going to take that class next year because I want to.

It probably depends heavily on the school, and also, nowadays, there is more push for accommodation. I think that homeschooling is the ideal way to educate a child.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Some schools have "special needs" programs. In reality, the students need to be held to the same standards as the normal ones. I am depressed frequently (I prefer the term melancholy) because I am forced to wake up at seven in the morning only to be around a bunch of ********, and then to be told I'm wrong about everything. It's merely circumstantial, there's no "chemical imbalance" in my brain. I was diagnosed with autism essentially because I dislike eye contact, and I used to sit alone at lunch. That's inane when you take into account that most autistic people are verbally and functionality impaired. It strips the term of its meaning when you use it to define just about anyone. I actually have a class exemption, and I am actually going to take that class next year because I want to.

It probably depends heavily on the school, and also, nowadays, there is more push for accommodation. I think that homeschooling is the ideal way to educate a child.

Garbage.

Students should be taught according to their needs and individuality, not as a uniformity. If you don't take in mind a student's individual needs, they are likely to fail. This crushing conformity in pedagogy needs to end because it's ruining the educational careers of otherwise very gifted students, like it did with me. My dreams have been crushed because of this and I'm likely not to get anywhere in life due to it. I was once in "gifted and talented" classes but my depression, anxiety and the lack of help or notice from faculty ruined all of that. I should be in graduate school right now, but I don't even have a GED. Help kids when they need it. Start to care as soon as you can. Take notice.

As for you, I'll take the opinion of your doctors over your own since you seem very ignorant about this topic.