Does Sabbath mean Saturday. Funny, i checked and it means "Day of Rest"

[outhouse]

Only if said Jews and Christians want to fight over it.

I actually agree with him in that the Bible never specifies which day to rest outside of the seventh day.

Exactly.

That is why some religious groups worship on Sat and Sun, and each have their own arguments as to why.

 

[Scott C.]

I know in Jewish tradition that Sabbath is on Saturday. Which they consider the 7th day that god rested. But the definition of Sabbath means "The Day of Rest". So one can ask. Does it matter if i say " i wanna celebrate the day of rest on Wednesday". Like in Christianity in Europe it is Sunday due to Constantine worshipping as the day of Sun in Roman Paganism. But its held in Christian tradition as the day Jesus was resurrected from the day, so its a mixture of both " Day of Rest" and "Jesus".

But i just wanna know. Does the definition of "Sabbath" mean Saturday. Or is it just what the jews considered as the 7th day due to their tradition.

Which is what the calendar in USA ends on. With Sunday being the first day, and Saturday the last.

Even if its observed as the day of rest in jewish tradition. The definition of the word "Sabbath" is not Saturday. Or is it. Just wondering.

Source: Middle English sabat, from Anglo-French & Old English, from Latin sabbatum, from Greek sabbaton, from Hebrew shabbāth, literally, rest
First Known Use: before 12th century
Sabbath - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

The Sabbath was observed on Saturday in the OT, as you say. My church uses Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of Christ and we believe it was changed to Sunday in the NT for that reason. I don't feel at liberty to change it in my own practice for that reason. But, in Israel, my church uses Saturday as the Sabbath Day of Rest to be consistent with the Jewish tradition and as a matter of practicality.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

Where does the NT ever say the Sabbath was changed?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Source: Middle English sabat, from Anglo-French & Old English, from Latin sabbatum, from Greek sabbaton, from Hebrew shabbāth, literally, rest
First Known Use: before 12th century
Sabbath - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Great; yet another self-proclaimed expert in Biblical Hebrew anxious to teach Jews about Shabbat. How very special …

 

[metis]

"Shabbat" is a day of the week, and we well know which day that is because of what's found in Torah, along with our observance as such for roughly 3000 years. Sunday for Christians was coined in the early church as the "Lord's Day", whereas "Lord" is actually a reference to Jesus, and it was labeled as such because of the belief in the resurrection.

 

[Desert Snake]

I just want to underline that Romance languages are more respectful towards the Jewish tradition. In fact, our Saturday comes directly from Jewish.
In English the word is Saturn's day. from Latin: Saturni dies

compare:

Spanish= Sabado
Portuguese= Sabado
Italian= Sabato
French= Samedi (Sambadi dies, from Shabat)

It is also true that we consider Saturday the sixth day of the week. Whereas we all know that Jews claim that when God rested after creating the world on the 7th day, he meant Saturday.
so Americans are more "Jewish" than Christian

Traditionally Americans (most commonly), consider Sunday to be the day of rest. It isn't observed strictly like in Judaism as well, (their Saturday).

 

[metis]

Traditionally Americans (most commonly), consider Sunday to be the day of rest. It isn't observed strictly like in Judaism as well, (their Saturday).

The irony is that, in the U.S., Sunday is the busiest shopping day of the week. And then people wonder why they get so stressed out.

 

[Desert Snake]

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[Tali018]

you work six days then rest the seventh day.

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However, if like some of my family you work thursday through tuesday, the seventh day would be wednesday.

Actually you're on the right track. Under Judaism the days are counted out from first day to sixth day and the seventh day it was called shabbat. For the most part Judaism follows its own calendar. But as new calendars were created and Jews started travelling around the world, a group a Rabbis decided it was in the best interest of Jewsto have Shabbat line up with Saturday so wherever they were it was the basically the same around the world.

 

[Tali018]

Like you said, most of the world works monday-friday. The article explains that the work week is a result of a historical 5 day week, and 2 day week-end, not the other way around. Either way, if you aren't Jewish, it doesn't matter. You're not bound by these rules.

Actually the article is off. Christians don't follow the Shabbat the way Jews do, but they are connected. If we follow that JC did exist, then he died on Friday. Due it being 2000+ years, Jews would not have prepared the body for burial on Shabbat eve or the end of Shabbat due to lack of light to do so. Thus under Judaism the body would've been prepared on Sunday morning. Hence for Christians that day took a different meaning and sliding their seventh day over by one day and thus moving their yom rishon to Monday.

 

[Valjean]

Haven't the Jews observed Shabbat on a specific day, in unbroken succession, for the past few thousand years? I don't think there's any real scholarly disagreement about which day is meant by Sabbath.

As I understand it, the Christian church went through a long process of distancing itself from the Judaism. Celebrating the sabbath on actual Shabbat was declared "Judaizing" and prohibited.

Apparently the Christians forgot the Sabbath and failed to keep it holy -- but with the best of intentions.

 

[Desert Snake]

Haven't the Jews observed Shabbat on a specific day, in unbroken succession, for the past few thousand years? I don't think there's any real scholarly disagreement about which day is meant by Sabbath.

As I understand it, the Christian church went through a long process of distancing itself from the Judaism. Celebrating the sabbath on actual Shabbat was declared "Judaizing" and prohibited.

Apparently the Christians forgot the Sabbath and failed to keep it holy -- but with the best of intentions.

No that's incorrect. We don't keep the Sabbath the same way because Jeshua didn't. Jeshua made a point of not keeping the Shabbat.

 

[Valjean]

Well, I understand that, as a homeless vagabond, Ieshua had to bend the rules here and there, but it was my understanding that He and his entourage never considered themselves anything but Jews, and that for a long time after His death Christianity was just another of the numerous Jewish sects.
Wasn't it Paul that initiated the schism?

If the covenant has indeed been superceeded, why is the OT still included in the Holy Bible?

 

[Tali018]

Haven't the Jews observed Shabbat on a specific day, in unbroken succession, for the past few thousand years? I don't think there's any real scholarly disagreement about which day is meant by Sabbath.

As I understand it, the Christian church went through a long process of distancing itself from the Judaism. Celebrating the sabbath on actual Shabbat was declared "Judaizing" and prohibited.

Apparently the Christians forgot the Sabbath and failed to keep it holy -- but with the best of intentions.

It was not a disagreement. It was an alignment. If Jews stayed on their own calendar of simply counting by days, over time the 7th day would end up on a different day than Saturday (Roman creation). Thus this one day is pretty much fixed and if you look at most other languages they are nearly all some variance of the Hebrew/Aramaic word rather than the Roman word. And you are correct about Christianity making changes around 300 years later to separate itself from Judaism. The Christian Sabbath wasn't forgotten. it was simply recycled to be inline with their beliefs.

 

[Tali018]

Well, I understand that, as a homeless vagabond, Ieshua had to bend the rules here and there, but it was my understanding that He and his entourage never considered themselves anything but Jews, and that for a long time after His death Christianity was just another of the numerous Jewish sects.
Wasn't it Paul that initiated the schism?

If the covenant has indeed been superceeded, why is the OT still included in the Holy Bible?

What JC and his followers followed is different than the version 300 years later. Less then 300 years one simply has to look at Coptic Christians and they called the day 'pi sabbton".

 

[Etritonakin]

The sabbath is the seventh day. Sunday is the first day. Historical research will show this to be true.

In addition to what I believe is an unbroken tradition of Jews keeping the sabbath,
there is the following.....

"THE COUNCIL OF LAODICEA IN PHRYGIA PACATIANA 364 A.D..........

CANON XXIX.

CHRISTIANS must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ."

(Sunday is called "the Lord's Day" due to the errant teaching that Christ rose on a Sunday.) So we do know that the Sabbath is definitely not Sunday.

 

[Desert Snake]

Well, I understand that, as a homeless vagabond, Ieshua had to bend the rules here and there, but it was my understanding that He and his entourage never considered themselves anything but Jews, and that for a long time after His death Christianity was just another of the numerous Jewish sects.
Wasn't it Paul that initiated the schism?

If the covenant has indeed been superceeded, why is the OT still included in the Holy Bible?

Again, incorrect. The 'differences' in Covenant adherence are religious in nature, not 'chance' or whatnot. We don't believe in physicality of worship to the extent that we make it a primary concern, hence the different dietary laws, the lack of circumcision as an ordinance etc. This again, back to topic, is also demonstrated by our less strict adherence to the 'Sabbath', for us, Sunday, not really the "Sabbath".
Different religions.

 

[McBell]

Again, incorrect. The 'differences' in Covenant adherence are religious in nature, not 'chance' or whatnot. We don't believe in physicality of worship to the extent that we make it a primary concern, hence the different dietary laws, the lack of circumcision as an ordinance etc. This again, back to topic, is also demonstrated by our less strict adherence to the 'Sabbath', for us, Sunday, not really the "Sabbath".
Different religions.

Who is the "we", "us", and "our" you claim to speak for?

 

[McBell]

The sabbath is the seventh day. Sunday is the first day. Historical research will show this to be true.

Really?
Got a link to get us started?

I suspect that the chosen day, be it Sunday or Saturday, is a non-Biblical tradition mainly because the Bible does not specify outside of the "Seventh Day".

 

[Desert Snake]

Who is the "we", "us", and "our" you claim to speak for?

Trad xianity as I understand it. It's all in the Bible, anyway.