Does the Apostle Paul claim that Jesus Christ, the holy anointed man, is Almighty God?

[Kenny]

That does not prove that Jesus was God.

There are a multitude of scriptures that support the position that Jesus was not God.

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Logic also supports the position the Jesus is not God.

According to the Bible God is: Eternal, Holy, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, Omnipresent, All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Infallible, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, Immaterial, Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, and Patient.

According to the Bible Jesus is: Holy, Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, and Patient, but Jesus is not Eternal, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, Omnipresent, All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Infallible, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, or Immaterial.

And that is why Jesus cannot be God, since Jesus only has SOME of the Attributes of God, not ALL of the Attributes of God.

Yes, as I mentioned before, Jesus left his God-glory in Heaven so there are a multitude of scriptures that support the position that when The Word was man, He no longer had the glory as God.

But your list is still skewed

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

He is not only "Eternal" but "Father"

 

[Kenny]

Wow, Kenny!!!

Jesus had only just told Thomas “I AM NOT A SPIRIT. Touch me and see: I have flesh and bone that a spirit does not have’

God is Spirit ONLY… does not have flesh and bone as Jesus has.

How do you say that Thomas saw and touched ALMIGHTY GOD?

And yet the other TEN disciples did not react in anyway towards seeing ‘their MIGHTY GOD whom no man has ever seen’ right there in front of them!

In fact, a short time later, they were all back doing their ‘day jobs’ like nothing had happened…!

Is that what ‘Seeing God’ meant to the disciples?

Yes, Soapy, if you want to work it into what you want to believe, that isn't a problem. The problem you have is that then you have to twist and force so many other scriptures or simply ignore it to hold on to your position.

Would Jesus let anyone worship him? Yet he did. Are you flesh and bone? Yes. And yet do you have a spirit, YES... so really, you are still trying to twist your statement to make it a force fit.

 

[Soapy]

Yes, Soapy, if you want to work it into what you want to believe, that isn't a problem. The problem you have is that then you have to twist and force so many other scriptures or simply ignore it to hold on to your position.

Would Jesus let anyone worship him? Yet he did. Are you flesh and bone? Yes. And yet do you have a spirit, YES... so really, you are still trying to twist your statement to make it a force fit.

So you don’t deny that what I just said to you is true. Well, that is a start - a good start.

As for Jesus allowing people to worship him… there is no scripture that claims Jesus was worshipped or that Jesus allowed himself to be worshipped.

It is only trinitarian ideology that claims that being shown ‘obeisance’ is ‘worship’.

Test the reality: The Jews were seeking any way they could to rid themselves of Jesus Christ. They ‘sought all the more to kill him’ and of the temple leaders it is written, “Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, “You know nothing at all! You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish”. (John 11:49, 50)

Now think about this: The Jews know that only God must be worshipped… (do I need to go on?)

Ok, I will: If they were to witness a man being worshipped, what do you think they would do?

Well, they did witness the OBEISANCE being given to Jesus - and they did nothing. Why? Because ‘Obeisance’ is not worship.

In fact, Trinitarians know that Jesus was not worshipped but cannot bring themselves to accept the truth… Why, more intelligent Trinitarians just stop using it as a proof of something that is false. But that won’t stop naive Trinitarians will bring it up, believing they have found a solid proof. Even after showing truth to these ones they continue to spout the same falsehood to whom they feel they can trick. But that is just pure and utter deceit… and if they are trying to claim they have truth from God but express it through a lie… oh dear!!

No, Jesus was never worshipped nor would he accept worship. Worship is not simply a bowing down - worship required a sacrifice and fevered dedication which cannot be expressed in simply bowing to a master, a king, a priest… as many people do to one of worthy dignitary.

‘Am I flesh and bone? Do I have a spirit?’
What are you asking. What has this to do with trinity trying to claim that Thomas saw almighty God as a flesh and bone man who denied being a spirit? And yet ten other disciples had no reaction - and even scriptures and Jesus himself says that no man has seen God…

How do you feel having this truth shown you?

“I AM NOT A SPIRIT… I am a man like yourself, see, touch me and see did yourself. I have flesh and bone which a spirit DOES NOT HAVE!’

Yet you say Jesus was lying … that he was fleshless, boneless, SPIRIT Father God?

 

[Soapy]

The name Peter/ Petros does mean rock or little stone. Yet, the NT scriptures are abundantly clear that Jesus is the only foundation and head of the church: Acts 4:11,12 ; 1 Corinthians 3:11; Ephesians 2:20, 5:23; 1 Peter 2:6,7.

So when Jesus said Peter was the rock He was referring to Peter’s understanding and testimony concerning Himself as the Savior/ Messiah in the previous verse. The testimony/confession of faith which is the bedrock upon which the church is built; Jesus Christ the foundation and Rock.

…Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Matthew 16:16

Again, the scriptures are clear that Jesus Christ was the Rock in the wilderness…

…and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
1 Corinthians 10:4

God the Son; revealed as YWHW in the OT
and Jesus Christ in the NT, Who came as the Savior of the world.

Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. Acts 20:28

So you are saying that it was Peter who was the rock that followed the Israelite children in the wilderness?

The term ‘Christ’ did not apply to Jesus since it simply means ‘Anointed one’. The rock was an ANOINTED ROCK.

It was the salvation of the Israelites… that’s all that it means… it has nothing to do with CHRIST JESUS except that perhaps, the apostle who wrote the verse was making a link to the salvation of the believers in God being the same as the children of Israel in the wilderness.

Trinitarians truly can only justify their ideology by trying to swallow a camel.

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all

God cannot come Human Flesh, since God is spirit.

Let's take this one point at a time.

post scripture that states that God cannot come in flesh, book chapter and verse please.

101G have scripture that says he did. Phil 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".
here "FORM" is the Greek word,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

and the fundamental nature of God is Spirit, and there is only "ONE" Spirit .

niow your scripture please.

101G.

 

[Kenny]

So you don’t deny that what I just said to you is true. Well, that is a start - a good start.

As for Jesus allowing people to worship him… there is no scripture that claims Jesus was worshipped or that Jesus allowed himself to be worshipped.

It is only trinitarian ideology that claims that being shown ‘obeisance’ is ‘worship’.

Test the reality: The Jews were seeking any way they could to rid themselves of Jesus Christ. They ‘sought all the more to kill him’ and of the temple leaders it is written, “Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, “You know nothing at all! You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish”. (John 11:49, 50)

Now think about this: The Jews know that only God must be worshipped… (do I need to go on?)

Ok, I will: If they were to witness a man being worshipped, what do you think they would do?

Well, they did witness the OBEISANCE being given to Jesus - and they did nothing. Why? Because ‘Obeisance’ is not worship.

In fact, Trinitarians know that Jesus was not worshipped but cannot bring themselves to accept the truth… Why, more intelligent Trinitarians just stop using it as a proof of something that is false. But that won’t stop naive Trinitarians will bring it up, believing they have found a solid proof. Even after showing truth to these ones they continue to spout the same falsehood to whom they feel they can trick. But that is just pure and utter deceit… and if they are trying to claim they have truth from God but express it through a lie… oh dear!!

No, Jesus was never worshipped nor would he accept worship. Worship is not simply a bowing down - worship required a sacrifice and fevered dedication which cannot be expressed in simply bowing to a master, a king, a priest… as many people do to one of worthy dignitary.

‘Am I flesh and bone? Do I have a spirit?’
What are you asking. What has this to do with trinity trying to claim that Thomas saw almighty God as a flesh and bone man who denied being a spirit? And yet ten other disciples had no reaction - and even scriptures and Jesus himself says that no man has seen God…

How do you feel having this truth shown you?

“I AM NOT A SPIRIT… I am a man like yourself, see, touch me and see did yourself. I have flesh and bone which a spirit DOES NOT HAVE!’

Yet you say Jesus was lying … that he was fleshless, boneless, SPIRIT Father God?

i see you trying to twist again but it is written....
Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

nuf said

 

[101G]

to all, the Lord Jesus is God almighty Equally shared in flesh. let the scriptures speak.

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

STOP, and THINK, if the Lord Jesus was Made Lower that the Angels, common sense tells us then he was HIGHER than the angels. and note, there are only three entitles, God, the Angels, and Human Man. so if he was made lower that the ANGELS, and angels are greater in power than man, that only mean one thing, JESUS is God. because again, if one is made LOWER that the angels, who are higher than man ..... deductive reasoning tell us that the one made lower than the angels must be higher than them in order to be made Lower that them, (the Angels).

101G.

 

[wellwisher]

It is claimed that the Apostles Paul said:

• For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.“ (1 Cor 8:5-6)

The verses first says that there is only one God [who is] the Father, FROM WHOM ALL THINGS CAME.

The verse continues saying that ‘There is only one Lord [who is] Jesus Christ.’

But then it says something strange and counter-intuitive. It says that all things came ‘THROUGH’ Jesus Christ.

But if all things came FROM THE FATHER, how did all things come THROUGH JESUS CHRIST?
((Recall also that trinity says that it was Jesus Christ who created all things….?!))

All [good] things are from the Father:

• “Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.“ (James 1:17)
• “This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,” (Isaiah 44:24)

We know that the ‘LORD’ is ‘YHWH’, God; the Father. And it states in that verse in Isaiah that it is ‘YHWH’ that created all things.

Why then does of ‘appear’ that Paul is claiming all things CAME TO BE THROUGH Jesus Christ?

Could this actually be an example of MISTRANSLATION OR ADDITIONAL TEXT by the trinitarian translators attempting to claim that it ‘YHWH’ lied that he and he alone, created all things?
((Recall also that trinity says that it was Jesus Christ who created all things….?!))

Think what it would mean for the preaching of Almighty God, and his SERVANT Christ, to be brought into disrepute for the sake of deviant ideology?

One way to solve this riddle is with a business analogy. In the big business world, the Board of Directors of a large Corporation meets, periodically. They discuss the corporation and then take a vote for the future direction of the Corporation. The Chairman of the Board hires a new CEO who will be in charge of all future Corporate operations.

The Chairman defines the objectives; better profits and market share, and gives the CEO full authority, power snd resources to meet these challenges. The CEO is also given field autonomy. He will make all the final choices in the field, as to how the Boards's goals will be implemented. Management is his forte and why he was hired. The Board only wants good results and gives simple guidelines; more profit and market share.

Jesus said that nobody has seen the Father, but the Son. The CEO meets with the Board of Directors to present his quarterly progress. The rank and file, who work at Corporation, know the CEO, but they're never meet the Board, since there is a separation in terms of the roles; top of the food chain and below.

In the previous meeting of the Board; what to do with the fall from paradise, Satan was put in charge as CEO of the earth and humans. Adam and Eve seemed attracted to him so he might be affective. He is given the title; Lord of the Earth. His strength as CEO was knowledge of good and evil; tree of knowledge of good and evil and law. This approach for humans was fine for many centuries, but law became increasingly misused and abused, by those in power; hypocrisy. Do as I say and not as I do.

The Board decides it is time to take a new direction. Jesus interviews for the job. His approach to the earth and human was different and progressive. His approach was based on loving God and loving your neighbor. He also blesses the poor, who do less harm to the earth; inherit the desolate heritages or live off the land. Their lack of power makes it hard for the poor to abuse the law with hypocrisy.

Jesus did not get much of a chance to implement his ideas as CEO. The loyalist to Satan at Corporation Earth, kill Jesus. Their self serving legal premise was Jesus was teaching things against the law and therefore against their CEO, Satan. This abuse of divine law; from the Board, causes Satan to be expelled from heaven, along with his Angels.

Satan comes back to earth, with his tail between his legs, and resumes his CEO role on earth, but now he is not condoned by the Board. He is renegade trying to keep his job. He can do this, since the new CEO; Jesus who was killed, is not ready to make his comeback just yet. The job is not yet filled by the Board.

Since the rank and file of Corporation Earth, never meet the Board; nobody has seen the Father, they assume Satan is still in charge, still blessed by the graces of the Board. The rank and file blindly follow him and law. This leads to the Anti-Christ and False Prophet, as Satan's appointed leaders; Satan becomes man.

 

[Trailblazer]

To me that is saying that the spiritual part was born of the essence of God Himself.

That is a valid interpretation. By the way, that is why nobody could understand the nature of Jesus and there was so much arguing about it back in His day, because the spiritual part which is born of the Essence of God is a mystery that nobody can ever understand.

This is describing the spiritual nature of a Manifestation of God:

“The first station, which is related to His innermost reality, representeth Him as One Whose voice is the voice of God Himself. To this testifieth the tradition: “Manifold and mysterious is My relationship with God. I am He, Himself, and He is I, Myself, except that I am that I am, and He is that He is.””
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 66-67

If a Manifestation has a divine nature that means to me that they are God.

They are not God because they also have a human nature and God does not have a human nature.

Greater in this instance means imo that the Father had more authority that Jesus, that He was in a higher position and was not a humble man roaming the earth.
They have the same nature, the glory of God shines out of Jesus (not a reflection) The Son is exactly like His Father. A father has authority over a son and a good son submits to that authority, as did Jesus.

That is a good interpretation.

So we agree.
Was Baha'u'llah born of the Spirit of God, has Baha'u'llah the Essence of God?

Yes, because He had the twofold nature of a Manifestation of God, the physical nature and the spiritual nature.

So God is saying that through Baha'u'llah he has caused all creation to testify that there is none other God except Him (Baha'u'llah)

Yes, that is what God is saying through Baha'u'llah.

That means to me that Jesus was God while a man.

Jesus was a Manifestation of God and the Voice of God while He was a man, but He was not God since God is not a man.

 

[Trailblazer]

For a start Baha'is are talking about belief in a false Christ.
Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

Yes right, you believe the above passage but just interpret it differently.
You interpret "this same Jesus" to mean "someone else". You interpret "who has been taken from you into heaven" to mean "who was not taken from you into heaven". You interpret "will come back" as "will come".
You interpret "in the same way you have seen him go into heaven" as "in a different way that you saw Jesus go into heaven---- and really you did not see Jesus go into heaven because he was a spirit".
This is not an interpretation, it is a denial of and a change to the Bible's meaning.

I have some new thoughts on those verses.

First, who cares what it says in Acts? This has NOTHING to do with any promises of Jesus to return. So what if they believed that Jesus was going to return? The fact remains that Jesus never promised to return. Jesus said he was no more in the world and His work was finished here.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Second, you assume that they saw the body of Jesus go up into the sky, but the verse does not say they saw a body taken up to heaven. Bodies do not defy gravity and rise up into the sky. What they saw was the spirit of Jesus, and that same spirit returned in Baha'u'llah. The men in white apparel were angels so they could see spirits.

Acts 1:10-11 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Are you trying to say that denying parts of the Bible and believing as some heretics and liberal Christians do, that much of the Bible and gospels are myth is OK and Baha'is can claim to believe the Bible if they do that?

Yes, that is what I am saying. Many Christians now know that much of the Bible is symbolic.
Swedenborg said as much back in the 17th century.

"If man, therefore, had a knowledge of correspondences he would understand the spiritual sense of the Word, and from that it would be given him to know arcana of which he sees nothing in the sense of the letter. For there is a literal sense and there is a spiritual sense in the Word, the literal sense made up of such things as are in the world, and the spiritual sense of such things as are in heaven. And such a Word, in which everything down to the least jot is a correspondence, was given to men because the conjunction of heaven with the world is effected by means of correspondences."
(Heaven and Hell, pp. 86-87)

 

[Trailblazer]

But your list is still skewed

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

He is not only "Eternal" but "Father"

I do not believe that verse is referring to Jesus.

Isaiah 9:6 cannot refer to Jesus because Jesus disclaimed being the Mighty God when He called Himself “the Son of God” (John 5:18-47) and in those verses Jesus repudiates the charge that He claimed equality with God. Jesus disclaimed being the everlasting Father when He said, “my Father is greater than I” (John 14:28) and Jesus disclaimed being the Prince of Peace when He said, “I came not to send peace, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34). Jesus disclaimed bearing the government upon His shoulder when He said to “rend onto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's” (Mark 12:17, Matthew 22:21). Jesus disclaimed that He would establish a kingdom where he would rule with judgment and justice forever when He said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36).
If you want to claim that Jesus will do these things when He returns, then you have to contend with these verses:

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

 

[Trailblazer]

Would Jesus let anyone worship him? Yet he did.

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, 'Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

 

[Soapy]

That does not prove that Jesus was God.

There are a multitude of scriptures that support the position that Jesus was not God.

#1800 Trailblazer
#1801 Trailblazer

Logic also supports the position the Jesus is not God.

According to the Bible God is: Eternal, Holy, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, Omnipresent, All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Infallible, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, Immaterial, Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, and Patient.

According to the Bible Jesus is: Holy, Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, and Patient, but Jesus is not Eternal, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, Omnipresent, All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Infallible, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, or Immaterial.

And that is why Jesus cannot be God, since Jesus only has SOME of the Attributes of God, not ALL of the Attributes of God.

Something very important to remember : NO ONE WAS CALLING JESUS ‘GOD’ therefore there won’t be anything in scriptures that precisely states that HE WAS NOT GOD.

What you will find are things about Jesus that clearly INDICATE that he was not ‘God’ - the one true God, such as the discourse with Thomas wherein Jesus DENIES being a Spirit.

This denial is not saying ‘I am not God!’ because Thomas WAS NOT CLAIMING that Jesus was God. Recall that Jesus had only moments earlier told Thomas that he, Jesus, was FLESH AND BONE which a spirit does not have - but rather, flesh and bone just as Thomas and the other ten disciples had - to wit: Jesus was saying ‘I am a human Being like you!’.

And see that if ALMIGHTY GOD was seen by Thomas, Thomas would have DIED that very moment since ‘God cannot look upon sin’ and all mankind, even Thomas, ESPECIALLY Thomas, were sinful men.

Trinity just tries blatantly to find any scrap of mind bending and fallacious ideology to try to claim their doctrine: Keep the faith in opposing them!

Jesus also told the Jews that he was not claiming to be EQUAL TO GOD when he told them that ‘God is my Father’. The claim of a Son being equal to his Father is a pagan ideology and such a mythological ideology would have been in full knowledge by means of the Greeks, the Egyptians and other beliefs system the Jews were subjected to in their lifetime.

There is a level of futility in showing the errors of the ways of Trinitarians but the problem is always the same at the end: If they are to believe the truth then where do they go when they do finally believe - if they ever do finally believe? They will be accosted feverishly by other Trinitarians to ‘come back to Satan’s pen fold of untruth - worship the God-Man’!

What did Satan try to do that caused his fall? He tried to gain the worship of mankind. He wanted to be worshipped like God is worshipped!

Guess what he is trying now that he has all but lost the war on that? He wants to bring down as many of humanity as he can - take them to destruction as he and his demon angels are doomed to destruction. And what is an easy way to do that? Persuade mankind to ‘WORSHIP THE SON’ - Put Jesus on the throne of God WRONGLY. Make the people do what he couldn’t do- Remember the temptation in the wilderness? What was the great temptation? BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP SATAN and the WORLD WILL BE YOURS, JESUS! You don’t need to suffer, you don’t need to be disbelieved, you don’t need to be humiliated, you don’t need to suffer - YOU DON’T NEED TO DIE if you worship me.

But Jesus, knowing it was a trick, and knowing it was wrong anyway, kept the faith and did not sin! We need to keep the faith in the face of those who desire to put Satan on the throne of God even as Satan knows he is doomed.

 

[Kenny]

I do not believe that verse is referring to Jesus.

Isaiah 9:6 cannot refer to Jesus because Jesus disclaimed being the Mighty God when He called Himself “the Son of God” (John 5:18-47) and in those verses Jesus repudiates the charge that He claimed equality with God. Jesus disclaimed being the everlasting Father when He said, “my Father is greater than I” (John 14:28) and Jesus disclaimed being the Prince of Peace when He said, “I came not to send peace, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34). Jesus disclaimed bearing the government upon His shoulder when He said to “rend onto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's” (Mark 12:17, Matthew 22:21). Jesus disclaimed that He would establish a kingdom where he would rule with judgment and justice forever when He said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36).

You may not believe it was referring to Jesus but it was. You have to really stretch the meaning for it to mean anything else.

 

[Trailblazer]

GINOLJC, to all

Let's take this one point at a time.

post scripture that states that God cannot come in flesh, book chapter and verse please.

If God became flesh God would be a man. God is not a man so God cannot become flesh. See the list of verses.

What Does the Bible Say About God Is Not A Man That He Should Lie?

God is unchanging so God could not change from spirit to flesh, just because some Christians want Him to.

10 Bible verses about God Is Unchanging

101G have scripture that says he did. Phil 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".
here "FORM" is the Greek word,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

form: a particular way in which a thing exists or appears; a manifestation.
form means - Google Search

Jesus was a Manifestation of God in the flesh.

1 Timothy 3-16 God manifest in the flesh

KJV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The verse does not say that God became flesh. That would be an incarnation of God, not a manifestation of God.
There is not one verse in the Bible that says that God became flesh.

 

[Kenny]

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, 'Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

AMEN!

 

[Trailblazer]

You may not believe it was referring to Jesus but it was. You have to really stretch the meaning for it to mean anything else.

I believe the verse was referring to Baha'u'llah, who was the Prince of Peace and the Lord of hosts.

Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

World peace will be established during this religious dispensation. Please note that the prophecy does not say 'when' peace will be established, but where it says there shall be no end to the peace that indicates that it won't happen all at once but rather it will unfold gradually. That is exactly what is happening right now. The same is true for the government. It says that there shall be 'no end' to the government which means it will begin and be established gradually and continue to develop over time. The government will be more developed in the future as the prophecy says (increase in government).

Baha’u’llah set up a 'system of government' and it has already been established among the Baha’is. The institutions of that government are fully operational, but still in their infancy. What we now refer to as Local Spiritual assemblies (LSAs) and will eventually evolve into what will be called Houses of Justice.

 

[Trailblazer]

AMEN!

Jesus was saying don't worship me, worship God, and serve him only.

 

[101G]

If God became flesh God would be a man.

who said God became flesh? get it right, God came in flesh ... as a Man, was not this foreto;d in the OGT?

God is not a man

scripture foir that. and please don't use Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?".

so God cannot become flesh

become? ... is, in likeness. Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

See the list of verses.
What Does the Bible Say About God Is Not A Man That He Should Lie?

see, above, God is NOT a man that, that, he should LIE ...... (smile).

God is unchanging so God could not change from spirit to flesh, just because some Christians want Him to.
10 Bible verses about God Is Unchanging

who said that he change from Spirit to Flesh? who told U that LKIE. no, he came in flesh and dwelt among us,

101G.

 

[Kenny]

I believe the verse was referring to Baha'u'llah, who was the Prince of Peace and the Lord of hosts.

And we, of course, would disagree.