Does the Apostle Paul claim that Jesus Christ, the holy anointed man, is Almighty God?

[Brian2]

first thanks for the reply, second the Soin is the Father in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, or RANK. HE IS THE SAME PERSON. only in designation of Ordinal.

and Yes, the LORD, the Father is ONE .... in an ECHAD ... "WITH" ..... the Lord, the Son, as the same one person.

101G has demonstrate clearly that there is no trinity of three persons of God. that term "WITH" by itself eliminates any three person Godhead.

101G.

How does "with" eliminate any three person Godhead?

 

[Brian2]

scripture, 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."

101G.

That gets away from John 1:1 and does not help me understand what you said about John 1:1 below.

101G said: Let's make this clear, the Word of God, in John 1:1b is "OBJECTIVE.", and "God" is SUBJECTIVE" , meaning it's the SAME ONE PERSON.

sorry about the play on words, but kust bringing out the TRUTH.

101G.

1 Cor 12 seems to show how the Father, Son and Spirit work together as one.

 

[samtonga43]

The problem is that the Bible does not say that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
That is a man-made Christian doctrine.

The Bible does not HAVE to say the exact words, “God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit” in order to proclaim the truth that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Neither does the Bible HAVE to say the exact words, “You cannot earn God’s love” in order to proclaim the truth that you cannot earn God’s love.

There are many truths embedded in Scripture which are not expressed in certain words combined in a certain order.

If you don’t know much about the Bible, as you recently said, I would advise you to read it in context, making connections, and asking for God’s guidance before you announce that the Bible does not say that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[wellwisher]

It is claimed that the Apostles Paul said:

• For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.“ (1 Cor 8:5-6)

The verses first says that there is only one God [who is] the Father, FROM WHOM ALL THINGS CAME.

The verse continues saying that ‘There is only one Lord [who is] Jesus Christ.’

But then it says something strange and counter-intuitive. It says that all things came ‘THROUGH’ Jesus Christ.

But if all things came FROM THE FATHER, how did all things come THROUGH JESUS CHRIST?
((Recall also that trinity says that it was Jesus Christ who created all things….?!))

All [good] things are from the Father:

• “Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.“ (James 1:17)
• “This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,” (Isaiah 44:24)

We know that the ‘LORD’ is ‘YHWH’, God; the Father. And it states in that verse in Isaiah that it is ‘YHWH’ that created all things.

Why then does of ‘appear’ that Paul is claiming all things CAME TO BE THROUGH Jesus Christ?

Could this actually be an example of MISTRANSLATION OR ADDITIONAL TEXT by the trinitarian translators attempting to claim that it ‘YHWH’ lied that he and he alone, created all things?
((Recall also that trinity says that it was Jesus Christ who created all things….?!))

Think what it would mean for the preaching of Almighty God, and his SERVANT Christ, to be brought into disrepute for the sake of deviant ideology?

One way to resolve this confusion goes back to Genesis. In Genesis, God created the heavens and earth in six days and rested on the seventh's day. The questions becomes, how long did God rest, and while God rested, who was put in charge of creation?

In the Earthy Sabbath, which is a shadow of what goes on in Heaven, one is not supposed to work on the Sabbath. If anything needs to get done; daily upkeep like food prep, you will need to be proactive and/hire others to do the work while you rest. The person who was put in charge of the earth and the humans, as God rested, was called the Lord of the Earth.

Satan was the original Lord of the Earth. God had made provisions, for his day of rest, in advance, by placing two trees in the Garden of Eden; Knowledge and Life. Adam and Eve chose the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, which was occupied by Satan. Knowledge of good and evil, is symbolic of law, with the Old Testament all about the Law. It was not about Life. The dead slept.

Satan, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and Adam and Eve, all had a natural affinity for each other. God did not intercede, for Adam and Eve, when they were tempted by Satan since God was resting, and God was doing no work. Satan, who was in charge did the dirty work. The "assumed" God of the Old Testament and most of the New testament ,was not the Father, but the Lord Satan; Law, since God the Father was resting, and the Lord Satan was put in charge, while he rested. Man not allowing God his Sabbath rest, on God's terms, is where the confusion comes from.

Flash forward to the time of Jesus, Jesus, before he began his ministry, goes into the desert to fast and pray. He is visited by Satan, which among other things, offers Jesus all the wealth and power of the kingdoms of the Earth, if Jesus would bow down and serve him. Had Jesus accepted this offer, he would have become the Messiah anticipated by the Old Testament Messiah; rich and powerful and able to subdue all the enemies of Israel. This was a promise by the Lord Satan, as God rested.

But Jesus refuses the offer, since he had something else in mind. Jesus never said this offer was a lie or a trick. He knew Satan was Lord of the Earth and the maker of Law; tree of knowledge. Instead, Jesus by refusing to fulfill the prophesy, caused a political divide in Heaven. When Jesus preached about doing away Wirth law he was also ginning after the Satan and his Job. Satan and his supporters would lose their jobs; be thrown from heaven, and Jesus would go on to become the new Lord of the Earth, as God rested.

The biggest problem with Law, is law was not made of the righteous man, but for the sinners. However, is forced onto everyone, even those who it was not made for. In essence, it falsely accuses righteous, since it cannot sort out, who is good and who is evil. At the same time, the righteous is forced to learn the law and thereby be introduced to all forms of evil, that can cause even the good people to become evil. For example, the Alcohol Prohibition of the 1920's in the USA, law, caused evil to increase and not decrease. Sin taking opportunity through the Commands produces sin of all kinds. The prohibition created new type of evil; mafia and corruption in law enforcement.

It is not until late Revelations; the Second Coming of the Christ; Jesus is made Lord, where we start to see epic scale; Godly creation, once again, such as the bejeweled Heaven Jerusalem coming out of the sky to Earth. A thousand years later a whole new heaven and earth would be created.

On the Sabbath rest of God, the miracles on earth were of much smaller scale, because these were done but the Lords, as God rested. I learned this about the extended rest of God, through an inspiration. It resolves so many paradoxes.

 

[101G]

The answer is that the Lord God made all things.

The following verse refers to the Lord God, not to Jesus. It is true that Jesus was a redeemer, but so was the Lord God.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

ERROR, the LORD in Isaiah 44:24 was alone and by himself. (ONE PERSON).. so who is this in John 1:3? that CREATED all things. then? YOUR ANSWER PLEASE.

101G.

 

[101G]

How does "with" eliminate any three person Godhead?

Listen again, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" this is ONE PERSON, the One whom many say is the Father., now this, Jesus Christ is the "LAST" Adam correct, meaning he is the LAST for now all are in HIM Correct. now Scripture,Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

for sure the LORD is the FIRST, and the FIRST is "WITH" the Last, and he saiid "I am he". I is a single PERSON correct. now this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

this single person is the FIRST, and "ALSO" is the LAST in PERSONS, for he said, "I, I, I, am he. and Jesus the Christ is the Last. the SAME one person who is FIRST and LAST

Brian2, now think, for sure we know the LORD/Father is the "FIRST" correct, now hear the scripture, Revelation 1:16 "And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.", (THIS IS THE Lord JESUS). Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

HOLD IT, is not the Father the First? YES, and that's JESUS.

JESUS is the First/Father, and the Last/.Son.so by the First being "ALSO" the Last, (per Isaiah 48:12), there is only one person in the Godhead in an ECHAD of himself.. READ THE SCRIPTURES FOR YOURSELF, DON'T TAKE MY WORD, BUT GOD'S WORD.

101G.

 

[101G]

That gets away from John 1:1 and does not help me understand what you said about John 1:1 below.

101G said: Let's make this clear, the Word of God, in John 1:1b is "OBJECTIVE.", and "God" is SUBJECTIVE" , meaning it's the SAME ONE PERSON.

sorry about the play on words, but kust bringing out the TRUTH.

101G.

1 Cor 12 seems to show how the Father, Son and Spirit work together as one.

is not the OBJECTIVE is the WORK? listen, 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.". Gifts are given for .... "WORK". 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." administration, are a "WORK" 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all." Authorization to do the WORK, is Given by the same one person who is doing the Work., supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." his, his, his, OWN ARM

did you get it now? the Work is done by the SAME ONE who Authorized it.

101G

 

[Soapy]

Jesus went back to the Father when He left this world and ascended to heaven.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

1. How is Jesus GOD and think of being EQUAL to GOD?
Jesus was not God and Jesus did not think He was equal to God.

2. How can GOD think that being EQUAL to himself was not something worthwhile?
God could not think that being EQUAL to himself was not something worthwhile, since it is logically impossible for God to think of being equal to Himself since there is nothing to compare Himself to.

3. How can there be such a thing as ‘God being equal to himself’? Equality requires two entities to compare!
Exactly. It is logically impossible for God to think of being equal to Himself since there is nothing to compare Himself to.

I gave a ‘Star’/‘Winner’ for all you says EXCEPT the first part:

Jesus went back to the Father when He left this world and ascended to heaven.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

As I stated, there are absolutely no verses that say that Jesus WENT BACK to Heaven.

Jesus, as your verse says, only said he was ‘GOING TO’ the Father.

Going to, does not imply a returning. And further more, before Jesus FIRST entered Heaven, he said:

• “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” (John 20:17)

But can I ask you how and why and where you imagined you had read that Jesus was ‘returning to’ Heaven, now that I pointed out what I did above?

Can I ask you if it was because it has been said many times that Jesus ‘CAME FROM GOD’?

Because that is just exactly the same as Jesus being ‘SENT BY GOD’, which was after Jesus was anointed with holy spirit and power from above:

• ‘You yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed: how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.“ (Acts 10:37-38)
• “what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?” (John 10:36)
• (By Prophesy): “Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.” (Isaiah 42:1)
• (By Prophesy): “The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,” (Isaiah 61:1)
• (By Prophesy): “I [YHWH] will send my messenger [John the Baptist], who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord [Messiah / Jesus] you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant [The seed of a woman], whom you desire, will come,” says the YHWH Almighty.” (Malachi 3:1)

If you can find a legal scriptural verse stating Jesus came from Heaven … in kindness, please show me.

 

[Soapy]

How does "with" eliminate any three person Godhead?

You mean, ‘How does with eliminate a non-existent three person godhead’.

You are, of course, aware that the pagan Egyptians and Hindus also profess a ‘three person godhead’ but the true Christian hears this:

• ‘Though there are Gods and Lords aplenty, for us there is ONLY ONE GOD, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ’

You do notice, I’m sure, that the apostles do not profess a three person godhead, not even a TWO person godhead, but ONLY a ONE PERSON GOD: The Father.

 

[Soapy]

Listen again, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" this is ONE PERSON, the One whom many say is the Father., now this, Jesus Christ is the "LAST" Adam correct, meaning he is the LAST for now all are in HIM Correct. now Scripture,Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

for sure the LORD is the FIRST, and the FIRST is "WITH" the Last, and he saiid "I am he". I is a single PERSON correct. now this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

this single person is the FIRST, and "ALSO" is the LAST in PERSONS, for he said, "I, I, I, am he. and Jesus the Christ is the Last. the SAME one person who is FIRST and LAST

Brian2, now think, for sure we know the LORD/Father is the "FIRST" correct, now hear the scripture, Revelation 1:16 "And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.", (THIS IS THE Lord JESUS). Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

HOLD IT, is not the Father the First? YES, and that's JESUS.

JESUS is the First/Father, and the Last/.Son.so by the First being "ALSO" the Last, (per Isaiah 48:12), there is only one person in the Godhead in an ECHAD of himself.. READ THE SCRIPTURES FOR YOURSELF, DON'T TAKE MY WORD, BUT GOD'S WORD.

101G.

‘First and Last’ just means ‘Only one’.

It is not some great revelation.

‘Alpha and Omega’ is the same as ‘Beginning and End’… which is to say, ‘First and Last’, again.

Yes, there are slight differences as there is with all things but the essence is the same: ‘ONE ONLY’.

YHWH is our one and ONLY God.

Jesus is our one and ONLY Lord.

‘God’ is greater than ‘Lord’.

‘Lord’ is greater than ‘lord’.

 

[Soapy]

ERROR, the LORD in Isaiah 44:24 was alone and by himself. (ONE PERSON).. so who is this in John 1:3? that CREATED all things. then? YOUR ANSWER PLEASE.

101G.

“God, who created all things” (Ephesians 3:9)

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Gen 1:1)

GOD, the Father, created all things FOR the Son of His love. The Son of His love is to imitate, in the flesh world, what God has established in the spirit world. A flesh ruler over the flesh world just as the Father is a spirit ruler over the spirit world.

• ‘For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.’ (Col 1:16)

Confirmation:

• “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.” (John 17:6-7))
• “All things have been committed to me by my Father.” (Matt 11:27)
• “Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, [God] will [again] be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.” (1 Cor 15:28)

It should be clear by now that the Father passes on what is His to the Son whom He favours.

Jesus states, scriptures states, God states, that He created all things FOR THE SON WHOM HE UPHOLDS.

Hence you see that at the end of time, Jesus BECOMES the ruler over creation, taking his seat on the spiritual throne of king David, as scriptures prophesies:

• “Of the greatness of his [Messiah / Jesus Christ] government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the YHWH Almighty will accomplish this.” (Isaiah 9:7)
• “He [Messiah /Jesus Christ] will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,” (Luke 1:32)

How can you deny such scriptures?

 

[Soapy]

Oh Brian2, you just cannot help yourself, can you? Truth is just a joke to you.

When the gospel says "I and the Father are "one", the one is neuter gender, meaning, one thing,,,,,,,,,,, iow something.

No, Brian2, it just means that the two agree with each other. It does not mean that the two are the same thing!!
If they were the SAME THING then Jesus would be then a liar to say, ‘The Father is Greater Than I’. That is not an COMMUTATIVE relationship.

But the Father is truth, and the Son agrees with his Father. TRUTH came FROM the Father TO the Son.
This is a ‘One Way’ relationship: “… where one person wields more control.“: ‘The Father is GREATER THAN I’ and because the Truth from Father, and I, too, desire Truth, then ‘I agree with the Father’.

There can be no one way relationship if the two are the same thing.

So even you can see the ramifications of what Jesus said.

Brian2, the ramification of what Jesus said is that he agrees with the greatness of his Father for the Father teaches all that is good:

• “So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.”

"into each other- they agree"? Into each other--- I had to laugh.
The reason that the language scholars and commentators mention the neuter "one" is to show that it cannot mean just that they agree, or are in harmony.

The reason the Bible scholars and commentators mention neuter ‘one’ is because they are trinitarian. It is encumbrant upon them to twist the scriptures whereever they found the chance. When they are found out they simply claim that ‘it was an error on the part of ONE OVER-ENTHUSIASTIC TRANSLATOR’.

Trinitarians make that denial because many people seem to think that the Bible teaches that the Son is the Father. These are usually people who can at least see that the Bible does teach that the Father is God and that the Son is God.

Brian2, these people ARE STILL TRINITARIAN… This is great example of Satan fighting Satan.

If you added the idea that there is just one God, that argument would make sense, but when you also add the idea that the Father is not the Son and that the Son is not the Father, you cannot reach the conclusion that the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father.
IOWs the truth of God is more complex than that. And why should it not be, we are speaking of God here and not something simple like quantum mechanics.

This whole claim that the Father is not the Son and the son is not the Father is a non-starter in the order of truth… Trinity MADE the claim and then TRINITY denies it.

Since the truth is that God is Spirit and Jesus is Flesh, there NEVER WAS A PURPOSE OR REASON to deny or confirm any claim of equality or sameness. In fact, THE ONLY CLAIM in scriptures is that ‘The Son is the IMAGE of the Father’… which, again, is not a COMMUTATIVE relationship!!

It is the Son who gets His life from His Father and it is the Son who became a servant and a man. The language used of the Son is misinterpreted therefore to mean that the Son is lesser in nature to His Father. Many trinity deniers therefore say the Son is not equal to the Father.

The Son did not ‘BECOME’ a servant nor a man. Try to find a non-trinity verse that says that Jesus ‘BECAME A SERVANT’ and ‘BECAME A MAN’… no such verse at all!!

Equal to the Father??? Commutative? EQUALITY is COMMUTATIVE!!

Is the Father EQUAL to the Son??

Trinity says Jesus is equal to God: ‘… making himself equal to God’!

Brian2, is GOD EQUAL to the Son?

Commutative, Brian2, remember that equality is COMMUTATIVE!!

Sooooo trinitarians need to spend a lot of time showing the mistakes in that interpretation and that the Bible does indeed teach that the Son is equal in nature to His Father.

Ha ha ha… You really mean: ‘Trinitarians need to spend a lot of time trying to find ways of claiming their misinterpretations are somehow valid proofs’. Realistically, they fail in every instance but the proponents just adopt the claims since, where else can they go except with truth - and that means for hing trinity fallacies … and their church overseers!

 

[Soapy]

The Bible does not HAVE to say the exact words, “God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit” in order to proclaim the truth that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Neither does the Bible HAVE to say the exact words, “You cannot earn God’s love” in order to proclaim the truth that you cannot earn God’s love.

There are many truths embedded in Scripture which are not expressed in certain words combined in a certain order.

If you don’t know much about the Bible, as you recently said, I would advise you to read it in context, making connections, and asking for God’s guidance before you announce that the Bible does not say that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

It is the dodge of Trinitarians that claim exact words or not exact words.

When being asked for a proof by certain wording, the trinitarian is the first to request or state the point of negativity of rendering.

In this case, not only is there no EXACT WORDING of a three fold God, there neither hint, nor suggestion, nor formation of any such thing.

Even the claim of three in the Baptismal order DOES NOT STATE three … And this is fully born out by the fact that there ARE NO VERSES where ANY APOSTLE ever baptised in the name of three … They baptised in the name of ONE, only.

Furthermore, ‘In the Name of Jesus’, does not mean simply saying ‘In the name of Jesus’ at the end of the baptismal prayer…

‘In the name of Jesus’ means:

• In righteousness
• in holiness
• in truthfulness
• in selflessness
• in humility
• in unselfishness
• …

It means, in what Jesus Christ REPRESENTS!

Are there any Historical documents of baptism events where the supposed three person name is made?

 

[101G]

‘First and Last’ just means ‘Only one’.

must disagree, it means Ordinal in designation, just as ANOTHER in the Greek G243 Allos.

Yes, there are slight differences as there is with all things but the essence is the same: ‘ONE ONLY’.

again we must disagree. and here's why, the Son CREATED and MADEN NOTHING, but Jesus did, and the Father, REDEEMED, and SAVE NOTNING, but Jesus did.

YHWH is our one and ONLY God.

Jesus is our one and ONLY Lord.

‘God’ is greater than ‘Lord’.

‘Lord’ is greater than ‘lord’.

again we disagree.. Jesus is YHWH, and Jesus is YHWH diversified, or Equally Shaped in flesh as Lord.

now Greater than, not in quality, but in quantity while in flesh.

101G. ,

 

[Trailblazer]

ERROR, the LORD in Isaiah 44:24 was alone and by himself. (ONE PERSON).. so who is this in John 1:3? that CREATED all things. then? YOUR ANSWER PLEASE.

101G.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I believe that Jesus was the Word.
The Word was God because Jesus was God manifested in the flesh.
The Word was with God because Jesus was with God in the spiritual world before He was born in this world.

I believe that the following two verses are about God. All things were created by God.

John 1
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

[101G]

“God, who created all things” (Ephesians 3:9)

same one Person JESUS.

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Gen 1:1)

that's Jesus as the Ordinal First, "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF"

GOD, the Father, created all things FOR the Son of His love.

STOP RIGHT THERE. is not the Son the Father in Flesh? supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
now tell us who is God's ... "OWN, OWN, OWN ARM?", just read Isaiah chapter 53, and get back with me on the name of God's OWN ARM. .

• ‘For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.’ (Col 1:16)

Confirmation:

• “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.” (John 17:6-7))
• “All things have been committed to me by my Father.” (Matt 11:27)
• “Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, [God] will [again] be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.” (1 Cor 15:28)

It should be clear by now that the Father passes on what is His to the Son whom He favours.

it should be clear that this is the same one person. let's see it in scriptures. REMEMBER, EVERYTHING THAT IS "PASSED ON" IS INHERITED, and all things are made NEW, correct? let's see it in scripture,

OT: Isaiah 65:17 "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

NOW THIS,

NT: Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."

now either you have two CREATORS, or it's the SAME ONE PERSON.

101G.

 

[101G]

I believe that Jesus was the Word.
The Word was God because Jesus was God manifested in the flesh.
The Word was with God because Jesus was with God in the spiritual world before He was born in this world.

is this not the same one PERSON? for the term "WITH" in the Godhead indicate the SAME ONE PERSON. listen and Learn, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

the LORD, who is God, the Father, is "With" the Last, sound like two persons? no, and here's why. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."
God who is the First/Father is "ALSO" the Last/Son, the same person, just as the Lord Jesus is the First and the Last..... my God this is too easy not to understand.

101G

 

[Trailblazer]

the LORD, who is God, the Father, is "With" the Last, sound like two persons? no, and here's why. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."
God who is the First/Father is "ALSO" the Last/Son, the same person, just as the Lord Jesus is the First and the Last.....

You said it is not two persons, so I guess you are saying that Jesus is God, the same person?
I believe that verse is saying that God is the first and also the last. That verse has NOTHING to do with Jesus.

 

[Trailblazer]

OT: Isaiah 65:17 "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

NOW THIS,

NT: Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."

now either you have two CREATORS, or it's the SAME ONE PERSON.

It is the same person who will create a new heavens and a new earth and make all things new.
But it is not Jesus.

 

[Trailblazer]

If you can find a legal scriptural verse stating Jesus came from Heaven … in kindness, please show me.

John 6:38
King James Version

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.