101G
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Brian2, go back and start over.No, that is one possible meaning. It does not mean that EVERYTHING that is said to be Echad is composed of 2 or more SEPARATE elements.
We can see by the number of different translations that Deut 6:4 is not straight forward.
We do need to walk by the correct translations of scripture.
What is 101G?
What is GINOLJC?
Yes maybe it is me and my eyes.
Do you mean that Jesus is the arm of God which became a man?
Is that analogy literal? Has the arm got a separate consciousness that speaks to the head with prayer for example? or is the arm just a puppet?
My understanding is that Jesus remained in the same form of God when He became a man. In the man was the Word and the Father and the Holy Spirit but it was only the Word who became a man and died for our sins.
I think I get what you are saying but cannot see it as anything but an interesting theory to try to explain your position and which does not succeed and is built on invented word plays which in reality mean nothing.
I don't think "with the last" has anything to do with Jesus being the "last".
I don't think that "with" indicates the same person.
I do think Jesus prayed to His Father.
It is about as simple as the Trinity, but is not the Trinity.
John 17:4 I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed. 6I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.…
Sounds more trinity to me than what you believe. The Son was with the Father. 2 of them together enjoying each other's company. God has been a God of interpersonal love from eternity.
So because of your belief you assume that the voice was not the Father, despite what the voice said.
No you don't assume that, you KNOW that.
How do you know that? and why do you think God was out to confuse us like that?
Personally since the voice said "This is my son in whom I am well pleased" I would say that is as good as saying that the voice was that of the Father.
now how 101G know that it was not the Father's voice? READ, God is not the ONLY ONE who speak from Heaven, :Listen and Learn. in the study of hermeneutics, there is an application called NEAR and FAR. and here at the Lord Jesus baptism is a good example of this. in Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am." Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of."
now at the mountain, Genesis 22:6 "And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together." Genesis 22:7 "And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?" Genesis 22:8 "And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together." Genesis 22:9 "And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood." Genesis 22:10 "And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son." Genesis 22:11 "And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I." Genesis 22:12 "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.".
STOP, hold the press. question time. who called out of heaven unto Abraham? answer, the angel of the LORD, not God himself, but the angel spoke on God behalf. because the angel said, "seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me." question, "who did Abraham not withhold his son from? the angel who was speaking out HEAVEN, or God?" answer, God, but who was speaking from HEAVEN? the angel.
see, never ASSUME unless you're told. ASSUMPTION will put the spiritual NOOSE around your neck.
now the verse at the Lord Jesus baptism said "A VOICE" from heaven, it did not say, the Father's voice, see you ADDED that. and as said, every time someone ADD to the word of God, they get caught, like U here. in a ERROR. never ADD to the Word of God, nor ASSUME something is true unless told that it is.
this is a classic example of how lies get started, by assumptions. And additions to the Word of God. and when one does that, they will get exposed.
Just say what the bible say and one will stand on solid ground, all others are sinking sand.
101G.
PS. Brian2, no put down, but U need to go back and LEARN all over from the start.