Does The Bible Contain Errors And Contradictions

[Charles Philips]

I'm thinking maybe you need a new pair of glasses.

I'm thinking you don't believe mankind has discovered means of translating Hebrew to English, quite sad really.

 

[YoursTrue]

What's the point in asking rhetorical questions?

It's not a rhetorical question if you really think there is only one true absolutely accurate translation in English of the Bible.

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm thinking you don't believe mankind has discovered means of translating Hebrew to English, quite sad really.

Again, the Bible was not originally written in English. Words even in English can have varying nuances based on time. I'm sure you know that, though.

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm thinking you don't believe mankind has discovered means of translating Hebrew to English, quite sad really.

Also, you probably know the original scriptures were written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. And English was not developed for many centuries after that.

 

[Charles Philips]

So why would you have a problem with me quoting what he wrote?


Did you not understand what I wrote when I said that the translation is using the wrong Hebrew word?

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I don't have a problem with you quoting what he wrote, I have a problem with your interpretation of what he wrote.

There's nothing wrong with the translation, I don't care about what the Hebrew books say. I study the English Bible and leave the Hebrew texts for the Hebrews to argue over, their arguments have nothing to do with Christians.

 

[Charles Philips]

That's apparently only based on your interpretation of the Bible, which by itself is about as much value as an ordinary opinion.

Wrong, I have 2000 years of Church fathers to back me up. You have some obscure Jewish Mysticism, which teaches the gnostic gospel

 

[Ebionite]

I don't have a problem with you quoting what he wrote, I have a problem with your interpretation of what he wrote.

That's not consistent with the context. Here's what I quoted from Isaiah:

As for me, this [is] my covenant with them, saith YHWH; My spirit that [is] upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith YHWH, from henceforth and for ever.
Isaiah 59:21

... which supports my position that the true word is spoken, not written.

There's nothing wrong with the translation, I don't care about what the Hebrew books say.

You do realise that it's impossible to endorse a translation of a Hebrew text without considering the actual Hebrew source, right?

 

[Charles Philips]

Then why did you offer that you would find the verses for me initially? You seemed confident then you could find those verses. What changed?

I just think that you just realized that you got caught making things up and are now trying to distract from it by pointing the finger at me



Nah, you made things up and I called you out



If Hebrews were white, blonde haired, and blue eyed, then why did the ancient Egyptians depict them as tan, dark haired, and dark eyed people?

Honestly, the way the Egyptians depict them make them look Arabian. Do you have any credible sources showing ancient Hebrews were white, blonde haired, and blue eyed? No videos cause I won't watch them. I want textual evidence if you can't show me biblical sources like you said you would do

I can assemble a whole slew of scriptures to prove that the Hebrew people had white skin. But I'm not going to bother because I know you won't come back and apologize for your willful ignorance

 

[Ebionite]

Wrong, I have 2000 years of Church fathers to back me up.

Church Fathers who could not even agree on which books were canonical, which implies that they didn't actually know what "God's word" was according to your interpretation of the term.

 

[Ebionite]

I can assemble a whole slew of scriptures to prove that the Hebrew people had white skin.

I [am] black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
Song of Songs 1:5

 

[Spice]

I can assemble a whole slew of scriptures to prove that the Hebrew people had white skin. But I'm not going to bother because I know you won't come back and apologize for your willful ignorance

I will, I will, I will!!! Lay out those scriptures and if they support your claim I will be honored to give you apologies.

 

[Soandso]

I can assemble a whole slew of scriptures to prove that the Hebrew people had white skin. But I'm not going to bother because I know you won't come back and apologize for your willful ignorance

Ah, so we are moving the goal posts to "white skin" now eh? No more blonde hair and blue eyes too?

The Bible does mention people with leprosy looking "as white as snow" in 2 Kings with the descendants of Gehazi cursed with this skin, but Jesus doesn't have Gehazi as an ancestor in the Luke or Matthew genealogies so that doesn't seem likely

If you want to "assemble a whole slew of scriptures to prove the Hebrew people had white skin," I'd be happy to see it. Not sure why I'd have to apologize for anything though since this wasn't the question in mind. We are talking about Jesus; the 6 foot muscular handsome white blonde haired blue eyed son of god. You are pulling this description of him out of thin air and you've done nothing but squirm out of trying to back your claims with textual evidence (especially biblical) for why you assume he looks that way this whole time. Let's see it, otherwise you are just making things up

 

[Trailblazer]

God has not said a Word to u in the last 2000 years, He has remained completely silent for 2 millennia, so your claim about latest revelations is a big fat lie.

God has spoken three times since He spoke to Jesus. He spoke to Muhammad, and then in the 19th century He spoke to the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. I believe that he Christian dispensation came to a close a long time ago.

I believe that all the previous religious dispensations have been abrogated by the Revelation of Baha'u'llah and we are living in the Dispensation of Baha'u'llah. That means the divine ordering of the affairs of the world for the present age is through Baha'u'llah, not through Jesus.

Dispensation

1. the divine ordering of the affairs of the world.
2. an appointment, arrangement, or favor, as by God.
3. a divinely appointed order or age:

e.g. the old Mosaic, or Jewish, dispensation; the new gospel, or Christian, dispensation.

Definition of dispensation | Dictionary.com

 

[Trailblazer]

This is an absolute bunch of nonsense, none of it can be substantiated or supported by any evidence whatsoever.

The exact same thing can be said about the Bible. It is supported by no evidence whatsoever.
Nobody can ever prove that anything in the Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit, which is why it remains a belief and not a fact.

Likewise, all I have is a belief. I believe that Baha'u'llah was not only inspired, but spoken to by God's Holy Spirit.
Baha'u'llah wrote His scriptures in His own pen. All we have from Jesus is what came to us by way of oral tradition decades after he lived.

 

[Brickjectivity]

You're entitled to have your opinion, but I personally don't place any stock in private opinions as they are worthless to me. Everybody has a different one. I'll just stick to what God said and let everyone have their opinion, thanks anyway

I posted scripture and what I thought about it. You told me all sort of things you claimed God said, pretty much acting like Muhammad would and called me a lukewarm Christian compared to you. You disrespected my connection with God. Do you remember a scripture in Genesis that says we are made in God's image? I've got the image of God, but with the same mouth you have blessed God and cursed me (which is what an accusation is). Each NT author has a perspective. James 1:26 NIV offers: "Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless." Yet you say its very important for Christians to blow people away with truth all the time, and I disagree. Yes I am entitled to have an opinion.

 

[blü 2]

No, that's nonsense because it doesn't line up with what the bible says. The bible never said that "it is appointed onto men to die once then the judgement, then after the judgement he gets another chance to prove himself worthy of salvation". That sounds like a doctrine of Demons and far from the gospel message.

Your habit of attributing words to the bible without identifying the relevant passages is unhelpful. So I ask, what passages from the bible do you rely on when you make you assertions above?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No, personal testimonies are the proof that something actually happened and in this case it proves what God said is true.

In that case, the personal testimonies of muslims proves that what allah said is true.
And the personal testimonies of christians who set out to prove the bible and then stopped believing after realizing otherwise, prove that christianity is false.

He said "the gospel, is the power onto salvation". So millions have put Him to the test and found that He is speaking the truth.

And millions concluded otherwise.
But you're just going to ignore those, aren't you?

Their lives were changed,

So were the lives of those who left christianity.

as they were liberated from slavery to sin and Satan.

Or because they were liberated from irrational makebelief, off course.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No amount of evidence can convince someone who has already made up their minds that they know everything

I'm quickly running out of irony meters in this thread

 

[Sargonski]

I can assemble a whole slew of scriptures to prove that the Hebrew people had white skin. But I'm not going to bother because I know you won't come back and apologize for your willful ignorance

I sense another Log out of own eye moment but speaking of "willfull ignorance" .. I noticed you ran from the contradiction presented you .. like a scared rabbit.. after making big bold claims that you have failed to back up.

Name the God who commanded 1) kill the child for the sins of the Father -- scripture you did not know existed but were schooled.
Name the God who commanded 2) Do not kill the child for the sins of the Father - Each is to be punished according to his own sin -- scripture you did not know but were schooled.

Now Charles .. do not run out of the classroom like before and answer the question .. showing that there is no contradiction except for those who can not distinguish the Logos from Ha Satan

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

You also confirm what God has said, He said that the "natural man cannot receive spiritual things, as they are foolishness to him".

You speak for a god and put your words in quotes.

What your god should have said (though you, of course) is that critically thinking man won't believe faith-based guesses. You can quote that.

has no regards for what God said.

No god has ever spoken - just people like you speaking for them. You can quote me on that, too.

personal testimonies are the proof that something actually happened

That's about as wrong as a declarative statement can be.

The Bible says that we first receive love from God and then we share it with others. Jesus showed His love for us, and then He commanded us to love one another, so that the world know that we are different by the love we have for one another.

Is this you loving other people? Aren't you the guy who was offended by MY definition of love?

every man is born hating the truth and only loving his sin and serving his Master Satan

Maybe this is the love of which you speak.

If you could only see yourself as God sees you, you would see your desperate need of repentance

I'll leave that misanthropic psychological state to those who unable to reject it.