Does The Bible Contain Errors And Contradictions

[Sgt. Pepper]

Sorry, the Ecumenical Counsels is a fact of history. They voted to decide what the Bible would be as a set collection, and all others rejected, most destroyed.

Wait, you just denied it happened.

Yeah, they decided what was to be included, and throw out the rest. The story about how Revelations made it in the final cut is interesting. It came down to some bishops trading votes for favored books. Not exactly a rigid system that ONLY assessed "inspired by God", whatever that meant. It's funny that mere mortals can decide what is inspired by God and what isn't, as if they are Gods themselves.

Of course the whole motivation was to create one source for Christians so there can be a consistent dogma to teach, and legalize Christianity and unify all the little sects that existed under the rulke of Constantine. Arguably this was political, to create stability.

According to the Bible, the Holy Spirit dwells within the people who believe in Jesus (Ephesians 1:13–14; 4:30), not only corroborating to them that they belong to God and are saved (Romans 8:15–17; 10:9–13; 1 Corinthians 12:13), but also endowing them with some spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:4-11) and spiritual discernment to correctly understand the Bible (1 Corinthians 2:14). However, if the Holy Spirit resides within all of the followers of Jesus and gives them spiritual discernment to correctly understand the Bible, then wouldn't Christians from all over the world agree on a single interpretation of the Bible?

In my opinion, if all Christians had this spiritual discernment to correctly understand the Bible, then the Catholic Bible (with a 73-book canon), the Greek Orthodox Bible (with a 79-book canon), and the plethora of various Protestant Bible translations (with a 66-book canon) would not exist. There would be a single correct interpretation of the Bible and one unified universal Christian Church. However, this is clearly not how it is within Christianity because it is vastly divided into Messianic Jews, Anglicans, Catholics, Orthodox (Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox), and a vast variety of Protestants: Baptist (First Baptist, Second Baptist, Southern Baptist, Reformed Baptist, Primitive Baptist, Anabaptist, Freewill Baptist), Methodist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, Mennonite, Church of Christ, Presbyterian, Seventh-day Adventist, Non-Denominational, and hundreds of other Protestant churches.

 

[MelancholicPotatoChip]

The Holy Bible has been the worlds best selling book, in every generation since the printing press was invented many centuries ago.

Many Historians have studied the 66 books of the Bible, and compared them to secular contemporaries, to see if they could find any contradiction or errors. Most of those who set out to find faults with the Bible, became devout Christians instead. Because they found no faults of contradictions.

It's no different today, many sceptics set out to debunk the Bible and end up becoming believers instead. The vast majority converted to Christianity after finding that all 66 books are reliable, historical documents.

The 66 books of the Bible were written by 36 unrelated authors from various parts of the world over a period of 2,500 years, yet none of the accounts contradict each other. But the main reason so many became believers is due to the 356 prophecies which were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. The whole Bible is about Jesus Christ. God's Prophets foretold of His coming into the world thousands of years before He came.

There is a list in the link, showing every one of the 356 prophecies and their fulfilment. This is well worth a look, as it provides irrefutable evidence that the Bible is a reliable historical document. No other historical figure ever came close to changing the world forever as Jesus Christ did.

AccordingtotheScriptures.org :: 356 Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus Christ

The Holy Bible has been the worlds best selling book, in every generation since the printing press was invented many centuries ago.

Many Historians have studied the 66 books of the Bible, and compared them to secular contemporaries, to see if they could find any contradiction or errors. Most of those who set out to find faults with the Bible, became devout Christians instead. Because they found no faults of contradictions.

It's no different today, many sceptics set out to debunk the Bible and end up becoming believers instead. The vast majority converted to Christianity after finding that all 66 books are reliable, historical documents.

The 66 books of the Bible were written by 36 unrelated authors from various parts of the world over a period of 2,500 years, yet none of the accounts contradict each other. But the main reason so many became believers is due to the 356 prophecies which were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. The whole Bible is about Jesus Christ. God's Prophets foretold of His coming into the world thousands of years before He came.

There is a list in the link, showing every one of the 356 prophecies and their fulfilment. This is well worth a look, as it provides irrefutable evidence that the Bible is a reliable historical document. No other historical figure ever came close to changing the world forever as Jesus Christ did.

AccordingtotheScriptures.org :: 356 Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus Christ

Please post one or two scriptures that you personally think are prophetic and I will comment to it.

 

[wellwisher]

According to the Bible, the Holy Spirit dwells within the people who believe in Jesus (Ephesians 1:13–14; 4:30), not only corroborating to them that they belong to God and are saved (Romans 8:15–17; 10:9–13; 1 Corinthians 12:13), but also endowing them with some spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:4-11) and spiritual discernment to correctly understand the Bible (1 Corinthians 2:14). However, if the Holy Spirit resides within all of the followers of Jesus and gives them spiritual discernment to correctly understand the Bible, then wouldn't Christians from all over the world agree on a single interpretation of the Bible?

In my opinion, if all Christians had this spiritual discernment to correctly understand the Bible, then the Catholic Bible (with a 73-book canon), the Greek Orthodox Bible (with a 79-book canon), and the plethora of various Protestant Bible translations (with a 66-book canon) would not exist. There would be a single correct interpretation of the Bible and one unified universal Christian Church. However, this is clearly not how it is within Christianity because it is vastly divided into Messianic Jews, Anglicans, Catholics, Orthodox (Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox), and a vast variety of Protestants: Baptist (First Baptist, Second Baptist, Southern Baptist, Reformed Baptist, Primitive Baptist, Anabaptist, Freewill Baptist), Methodist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, Mennonite, Church of Christ, Presbyterian, Seventh-day Adventist, Non-Denominational, and hundreds of other Protestant churches.

This change was anticipated and is connected to the promise of the Spirit of Truth, which is a living spirit.

John14, “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a];believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

Through the Spirit, the Father's house of many rooms is being occupied; Denominations.

John 15, “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him,because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that dayyou will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

The promise of the spirit is what has moved Christianity over the centuries. It may be time to compile the "Third Testament; Trinity Bible" to present the works of the Spirit, over the past 2000 years, as prophesied by Jesus.

The Catholic Church alone has over 10,000 Saints. Saints are Spirited people, often from childhood, who helped the common good. There are also many other "Saints", from all the Denominations; in the many rooms, that also include the arts and science.

The question is how would summarize the past 2000 years, in light of the works of the Spirit? The average bible; Old and New Testament is about 1200 pages. Maybe the third testament can be 824 plus pages, to add to the year 2024 or whatever year when completed; 830 +1200 = 2030?

The early Saints, who compiled the New Testament in the 2nd century, were moved by the Spirit. This may be a good place to start. They can tell their own story, while reflecting on the Saints from their own past, who brought them to that point in time, two centuries later. From that time, in another two hundred years, the Christians would advanced from targets of genocide, to the most prominent warriors of the Roman Army. This dedication, would bring them favor with the Roman Emperor. The Spirit moves in mysterious ways, often seen only through hindsight. Constantine was moved by the spirit within his wife. It is wonderful story connected to the spirit. Men and Women had the Spirit.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The Bible goes back to the beginning of time, which was somewhere between 6000 to 10,000 years ago. It was not written by the Catholic Church, it was actually God who inspired 34 different authors to write it over a period of 2,500 years, they lived in different parts of the world so most never knew the others.
I'm not sure where you got your information, but it's absolutely wrong

No. The Catholic Church wrote the Bible.

There is no point of origin aside from the Catholic Church where the Bible originated.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

A Denominations denotes a variation, The Church has no denominations. They are man made religions which have no relation to the One true Church. Regardless of what they claim, God doesn't share His Glory with any popes or big wigs

I hope you realize that this redefining of terms gets in the way of reasonable communication.

... or maybe that's why you do it.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

This change was anticipated and is connected to the promise of the Spirit of Truth, which is a living spirit.



Through the Spirit, the Father's house of many rooms is being occupied; Denominations.



The promise of the spirit is what has moved Christianity over the centuries. It may be time to compile the "Third Testament; Trinity Bible" to present the works of the Spirit, over the past 2000 years, as prophesied by Jesus.

The Catholic Church alone has over 10,000 Saints. Saints are Spirited people, often from childhood, who helped the common good. There are also many other "Saints", from all the Denominations; in the many rooms, that also include the arts and science.

The question is how would summarize the past 2000 years, in light of the works of the Spirit? The average bible; Old and New Testament is about 1200 pages. Maybe the third testament can be 824 plus pages, to add to the year 2024 or whatever year when completed; 830 +1200 = 2030?

The early Saints, who compiled the New Testament in the 2nd century, were moved by the Spirit. This may be a good place to start. They can tell their own story, while reflecting on the Saints from their own past, who brought them to that point in time, two centuries later. From that time, in another two hundred years, the Christians would advanced from targets of genocide, to the most prominent warriors of the Roman Army. This dedication, would bring them favor with the Roman Emperor. The Spirit moves in mysterious ways, often seen only through hindsight. Constantine was moved by the spirit within his wife. It is wonderful story connected to the spirit. Men and Women had the Spirit.

I acknowledge you sharing your personal biblical interpretation, just as other Christians in this thread are doing, including those who disagree with yours.

 

[Trailblazer]

Please show the one you think is the greatest contradiction in the Bible?

PAUL vs. JESUS: A List of Contradictory and Incompatible Statements

According to the Bible, Jesus will come back the same way people saw him leaving.

Apparently, you are basing your entire belief upon a few verses in Acts 1.

Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. 10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

The disciples (Men of Galilee) were staring up into the sky. The two men dressed in white (angels) came along and asked why they were staring up into the sky. The two men dressed in white (angels) then wondered why the disciples were staring up into the sky, and then they said that the same Jesus who was taken up to heaven will return as he went to heaven. The text does not say what the disciples saw going up to heaven, but presumably it was the spiritual body of Jesus, the body that Jesus had after he died physically and was resurrected (transformed).

1 Corinthians 15: 51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!

The angels said: This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven

The angels said: This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven

That is not a reason to believe that the same Jesus will return as He ascended since angels carry no authority. Some angels 'believed' that Jesus was coming back to earth. So what? My point is that Jesus never said that He was coming back to earth, never. Rather, Jesus said He was no more in this world.

Moreover, if it was the spiritual body of Jesus that ascended, that body would not come back to earth since spiritual bodies were made for heaven, not for earth. If Jesus returned to earth in a spiritual body nobody could see him, which contradicts all the other verses that say that we will see him.

1 Corinthians 15:40 There are also bodies in the heavens and bodies on the earth. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies. 41 The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory.

"see me no more" is not the same as "no one will see me again".

It is exactly the same.

no more

1. nothing further.
   "there was no more to be said about it"
2. no further.
   "you must have some soup, but no more wine"
3. exist no longer.
   "the patch of ground was overgrown and the hut was no more"
4. never again.
   "mention his name no more to me"
5. neither.
   "I had no complaints and no more did Tom"

Definitions from Oxford Languages

 

[F1fan]

This change was anticipated and is connected to the promise of the Spirit of Truth, which is a living spirit.



Through the Spirit, the Father's house of many rooms is being occupied;

And how does the observer discern the genuine from the corrupt?

I suggest decency, integrity, and truthfulness are traits of the genuine. The corrupt will be dishonest and are gullible to lies.

 

[Tomef]

Most of those who set out to find faults with the Bible, became devout Christians instead. Because they found no faults of contradictions.

What are you basing this on?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Most of those who set out to find faults with the Bible, became devout Christians instead. Because they found no faults of contradictions ... The vast majority converted to Christianity after finding that all 66 books are reliable, historical documents.

Wrong.

the main reason so many became believers is due to the 356 prophecies which were fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

Also wrong.

The Bible goes back to the beginning of time, which was somewhere between 6000 to 10,000 years ago.

Still wrong.

You haven't debunked a single prophecy of the 356 listed.

Nor need he. You haven't bunked any.

many sceptics set out to debunk the Bible and end up becoming believers instead.

Then they weren't skeptics.

34 different authors to write it over a period of 2,500 years, they lived in different parts of the world so most never knew the others.

And it shows.

 

[McBell]

As far as contradictions go(from another thread): Bible contradictions

the straw that broke the camels back for me is:

Deuteronomy 4:2​

You shall not add to the Word which I command you, nor take from it, to keep the commandments of Jehovah your God which I command you.​

then

BOOM

New Testament

Which may not seem like much in and of itself, but when the local argument against Mormonism is that the Book of Mormon is an attempted addition to the scriptures....

 

[Charles Philips]

Does this mean you have a copy of his list of elect?
I mean, how else would you be able to know that there are no popes or big wigs on it?

I don't have a copy of Gods Book of Life. He never revealed the names to anyone. To become a Church member, one must satisfy a list of requirements and pass the scrutiny of the Church Elders and then finally be elected by all the Church members.

 

[paarsurrey]

Does The Bible Contain Errors And Contradictions

https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBAttachments/101_Contradictions_In_The_Bible.pdf

Kindly check every entry of the 101 of above like and find for yourself, right?

Regards

 

[Charles Philips]

Well, it is my combination of different aspects of different philosophies, but I don't I have ever had a thought not allready held by someone else. I am not that special.

I agree, your philosophy isn't anything special at all. It's nothing more than mysticism, based on nothing other than fantasy

 

[Charles Philips]

Sorry, the Ecumenical Counsels is a fact of history. They voted to decide what the Bible would be as a set collection, and all others rejected, most destroyed.

Wait, you just denied it happened.

Yeah, they decided what was to be included, and throw out the rest. The story about how Revelations made it in the final cut is interesting. It came down to some bishops trading votes for favored books. Not exactly a rigid system that ONLY assessed "inspired by God", whatever that meant. It's funny that mere mortals can decide what is inspired by God and what isn't, as if they are Gods themselves.

Of course the whole motivation was to create one source for Christians so there can be a consistent dogma to teach, and legalize Christianity and unify all the little sects that existed under the rulke of Constantine. Arguably this was political, to create stability.

You can make all kinds of assumptions about which books were chosen and which were rejected, but at the end of the day, the ecumenical council was made up of Christians. Unlike todays ecumenicalism, which doesn't have a valid foundation.

Another thing you overlooked is that, God Himself is responsible for giving us the Holy Bible. Countless attempts were made by the rulers in every age to destroy the Holy Scriptures, but God miraculously caused them all to fail.
So the very fact that we have the Holy Bible s a miracle in itself, todays rulers are just as hell bent as their previous counterparts to destroy the Bible. They want to ban it everywhere, as it exposes them for who they are.

 

[F1fan]

You can make all kinds of assumptions

Like assuming a God existing? Like assuming the Bible is God's word? Like assuming literalist interpretations are valid? No thanks.

about which books were chosen and which were rejected,

It's factual, not anyone's assumption.

but at the end of the day, the ecumenical council was made up of Christians. Unlike todays ecumenicalism, which doesn't have a valid foundation.

So you concede the Counsels existed, but not what they did?

Another thing you overlooked is that, God Himself is responsible for giving us the Holy Bible.

No God is known to exist. And there are reputable historians who have written explanations for how the Bible was written, edited, and collected through history.

Countless attempts were made by the rulers in every age to destroy the Holy Scriptures, but God miraculously caused them all to fail.

Sounds like something God can't eliminate through his absolute power. That's odd. It's almost as if what you believe is imagined.

So the very fact that we have the Holy Bible s a miracle in itself,

Not really. I'd be impressed if a book was written many millennia ago and resisted changed over time. The Bible is a testament to how humans meddle in their religious belief. The Ecumenucal Cousels themselves is a huge example of the Bible being changed by those in power and with agendas.

todays rulers are just as hell bent as their previous counterparts to destroy the Bible.

What a massive conspiracy that no one has heard of. Who are these leaders, exactly? And how are they destroying Bibles? Can you link to a video of this happening so we can make sure you aren't pulling our legs?

They want to ban it everywhere, as it exposes them for who they are.

Is that what they are doing? Banning books, well they must be republicans. Well it's a good thing the Gideons put Bibles on a chain in motels.

 

[Charles Philips]

It had a name starting in 110 CE. Do you know what that was?

Just off the top of my head, I recall the original word was something like "Ecclesiasta" it meant "the called out" or "sett aside" to distinguish God Children, from the rest of humanity.

 

[Charles Philips]

Do you consider the Epistle of Barnabas "extra scriptura" (That's actually a made up sentence I think because the word extra is not latin in my opinion)?

Yes, the Epistle of Barnabas is considered to be "non scripture" it was rejected because it's not Gods inspired Word.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just off the top of my head, I recall the original word was something like "Ecclesiasta" it meant "the called out" or "sett aside" to distinguish God Children, from the rest of humanity.

It was "Catholic" in Latin. It is very close to today's "catholic":

"The word catholic (derived via Late Latin catholicus, from the ancient Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos) 'universal')[3][4] comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου (katholou) 'on the whole, according to the whole, in general', and is a combination of the Greek words κατά (kata) 'about' and ὅλος (holos) 'whole'.[5][6] The first known use of "Catholic" was by the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 AD).[7] In the context of Christian ecclesiology, it has a rich history and several usages."

Catholic (term) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, the Epistle of Barnabas is considered to be "non scripture" it was rejected because it's not Gods inspired Word.

How would you prove that any of it is "God's inspired Word"? You sound little different from the Mormons when they talk about their added holy books.