Does the Bible mention Islam?

[PruePhillip]

The Hebrew Bible does not mention 'Christianity' either, yet Christians see Christianity all over the Hebrew Bible. They see over 300 prophetic verses referring to Jesus but the name Jesus isn't directly mentioned either.

Correct, what the OT says is that the Covenant would last until the Messiah came.
And this covenant would go the way of Israel itself as the Messiah is embraced by
the Gentiles. Gen 49:10 is a good one.

 

[Rival]

Correct, what the OT says is that the Covenant would last until the Messiah came.

No it doesn't. It says it will be written on Jews' hearts so it needn't be taught anymore.

 

[Faithofchristian]

To answer the Thread ( does the bible mention Islam) The book of Revelation is the only book in the bible that makes any reference to Islam

In Revelation 11:1-2---"And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein"

2 "But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months"

Note that John was given a reed like a rod, to measure the temple of God, But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not, for it is given unto the Gentiles, and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months"

The holy city, this being Jerusalem.

Now as for the Gentiles are given the outer court to tread under foot.

In Jerusalem who will find what Islam calls the dome of the rock. Which is found in the outer court of the temple and holy city Jerusalem.

(The Dome of the Rock is an Islamic shrine located on the Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem. It was initially completed in 691 CE at the order of Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik)

Some people may think, this is a good thing right, nope not at all.

Not when a person understands the whole book of Revelation.

The mount of O'lives, where Jesus was taken up to heaven as the disciples watch.

Acts 1:9-11--"And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight"

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven"

So we find that Jesus will return back on top of the mount of O'lives. Which is the outer court of the temple.

But however before Christ Jesus does return, Satan and his angels will descend down on top of the mount of O'lives first, and then Satan shall enter the temple mosque dome of the rock of Islam.to proclaim that he is their long awaited Messiah that Islam has long been waiting for.

So much to prove to Islam he is who he say he is, and he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on earth in the sight of men. and deceiving them that dwells on earth.

Satan is the grand master of deceptions.That if it were possible, Satan deceptions, would even deceive God's elect people. But for the elects shake, those days shall be shorten.
For if Christ Jesus did not shorten those day of the tribulation, no flesh would be saved. But all would perish.

Christians themselves are being deceived into believing that Satan and his angels are already here on earth.
Unto which Satan and his angels are not here on earth yet.
For Christians believing that Satan and his angels are already here on earth, will be deceived, thinking that Satan is Christ Jesus. All because Alot of Christians have no idea that Satan will come first, before Christ Jesus himself comes.

This is what the book of Revelation calls the hour of temptation. This being the hour of Satan's to deceive the whole world into believing that he is Christ Jesus. And the whole world will wonder after Satan, Islam thinking he is their long awaited Messiah. That they have been looking for.
And alot of Christians will think this is Christ Jesus that they have long waited for.

At this time the real Christ Jesus shows up on the scene.to catch the whole world in worshipping Satan, Islam worshipping the false Messiah ( Satan) and for Christians worshipping ( Satan) the false Christ Jesus.

Many Christians shall go to their pastors, preachers to ask questions about the book of Revelation, but even their pastors, preachers have no idea about the book of Revelation themselves, but those pastors, preachers, shall tell the people whatever they want to, thereby fulfilling Prophecy of the bible,Scriptures.

2 Timoth 4:3--"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables"

 

[PruePhillip]

No it doesn't. It says it will be written on Jews' hearts so it needn't be taught anymore.

Correct, we are no longer under the Law but under Grace.
There were no Christian scholars in the NT, nor are we
given rules and regulations.

 

[Rival]

Correct, we are no longer under the Law but under Grace.

Unless you are a Jew, you are under, according to my belief and Jewish belief, the Noahide Code. If you are a Jew, you are under the Torah Law. These covenants are eternal, as the Torah and the Prophets say.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Correct, we are no longer under the Law but under Grace.
There were no Christian scholars in the NT, nor are we
given rules and regulations.

But the question is, As to which law is Paul referring to In Romans 6:14--"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace"

What law is that ?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Unless you are a Jew, you are under, according to my belief and Jewish belief, the Noahide Code. If you are a Jew, you are under the Torah Law. These covenants are eternal, as the Torah and the Prophets say.

Unless you are a true Jew of Israel, your not under the law, Christ Jesus freed us from the works of the law of circumcision.

For if Abraham our father were justified by works of the law of circumcision, Abraham has where of to glory, But not before the Almighty God.
For what says the scriptues, Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteous.
How was righteous then reckoned, When Abraham was in circumcision or in uncircumcision, Not in Circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
For Abraham our father, believed Almighty God, before he was circumcisioned.

For by the works of the law of circumcision shall no man be saved.

For as it is written" For sin shall not have Dominion over you, for you are not under the law, but under grace.
For you are not under the works of the law of circumcision, but under grace.

Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death (Satan), or of obedience unto righteousness of Almighty God.

 

[PruePhillip]

But the question is, As to which law is Paul referring to In Romans 6:14--"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace"

What law is that ?

Essentially, the law of the Old Testament.
But at a deeper level, it would take in the laws and regulations
of religions today. Particularly the Catholic Church.
And "law" didn't just mean do's and dont's. It meant regulating
personal service with things like rosary beads, prayer books,
holy days etc..

 

[PruePhillip]

Unless you are a Jew, you are under, according to my belief and Jewish belief, the Noahide Code. If you are a Jew, you are under the Torah Law. These covenants are eternal, as the Torah and the Prophets say.

Perhaps. But many Jews came out of Judaism. They saw Jesus as
fulfilling the law. For instance, Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic law of sacrifice
by being the "lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
Jesus fulfilled the rites and rituals of the High Priest by being the High
Priest himself - the mediator between God and man.
etc.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Essentially, the law of the Old Testament.
But at a deeper level, it would take in the laws and regulations
of religions today. Particularly the Catholic Church.
And "law" didn't just mean do's and dont's. It meant regulating
personal service with things like rosary beads, prayer books,
holy days etc..

The law in which is being spoken about in Romans 6:14---"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace"

This being the works of the law of circumcision.

This being the law of circumcision in the old testament, scriptures.

Can you explain exactly how what you said
( And "law" didn't just mean do's and dont's. It meant regulating
personal service with things like rosary beads, prayer books)

How exactly does what your saying fit into,
Romans 6:14--""For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace"

This being the law of works of circumcision.

 

[PruePhillip]

The law in which is being spoken about in Romans 6:14---"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace"

This being the works of the law of circumcision.

This being the law of circumcision in the old testament, scriptures.

Can you explain exactly how what you said
( And "law" didn't just mean do's and dont's. It meant regulating
personal service with things like rosary beads, prayer books)

How exactly does what your saying fit into,
Romans 6:14--""For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace"

This being the law of works of circumcision.

Yes, circumcision was of the law.
This practice was SYMBOLIC, like the vestments of the priest, the sacrifice of the male unblemished
young animal, the temple, the holiest of holies etc.. These symbols were complete in Christ. Jesus
came to fulfill all the law, and to law it to rest. People no longer needed symbols of what was real.
This is why the NT warned about holy days and liturgical symbols. A warning not heeded with the
mainstream churches.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Stands to logical reason that they would be mentioned. I see personally see that they are mentioned.

Regards Tony

Uhhh, your logic must be broken. Logically, if a religion comes 6-8 centuries AFTER the last written work of a anthology, the logic rules against them. But, strictly speaking, the Bible does issue warnings against Islam. Telling people to beware of false prophets. Telling ppl that "even if an angel" told a gospel contrary to the one given they are under a curse. That pronouncement disqualifies both Mormonism and Islam.

So... how badly do you want Islam to be mentioned in the Bible?

 

[Tumah]

Thanks for sharing that timeline. I found it interesting to note that there was a widespread Messianic prediction in 1840 and that the Jews return to Zion was supported in 1844. From that website...

1840 A widespread Messianic prediction sparks a renewed interest in immigration to EretzYisrael (KolHator). This prediction is circulated in the Balkans and in Eastern Europe. (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 16, pp. 1034; Morgenstern, Arie. “Dispersion and Longing for Zion, 1240-1840”. Azure.)

1840 Rabbi Yehuda Alkalai (1798-1878) begins spreading his belief that this is the time of the Messiah. He believes that settling the land of Israel will hasten the coming of the Redemption. (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 16, pp. 1034)

1843 Rabbi Yehuda Alkalai publishes Minchat Yehuda (Yehuda’s Offering). In the book he elaborates on the need for human initiatives, which will hurry the coming of the Redemption.

1844 The Christadelphians, a Christian Zionist group, is founded in England. It supports the Jews’ return to Zion. The group supports the Hibbat Zion movement, which assists the Jews in their efforts to resettle the Holy Land. (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 16, pp. 1153)​

Baha’is believe that the proclamation of the Bab in 1844 signalized the beginning of the Messianic era.

So what happened after 1844 that dissipated the Messianic hopes of the Jews?

The view of Rabbi Alkalai, the one who made this calculation was that the day of the redemption would be 100 years long, beginning in 1840 and ending in 1939. However, that Rabbi's view wasn't accepted by the majority of Rabbis, so eventually his movement petered out.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

I see it coming from the other direction.

If Christianity and Islam are of God, then how did we miss the references? It means we are not reading the Metephor correctly.

Regards Tony

If Christianity and Islam are of God. That's an assumption. Jesus likely didn't want his followers designing a cult after him. And there's basically no grounds except Muhammad's own words that this angel he sees is legit. And the first thing he does when this happens is try to kill himself. Not a resounding endorsement.

 

[Rival]

But many Jews came out of Judaism.

Only a few. Most converts were Pagans.

They saw Jesus as
fulfilling the law.

What does this mean? Anyone can observe the Law if this person is Jewish.

For instance, Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic law of sacrifice
by being the "lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

No he didn't. Human sacrifices are not allowed, this alongside the fact that humans aren't even a kosher animal.

Jesus fulfilled the rites and rituals of the High Priest by being the High
Priest himself

No he didn't, because he wasn't a Levite.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Yes, circumcision was of the law.
This practice was SYMBOLIC, like the vestments of the priest, the sacrifice of the male unblemished
young animal, the temple, the holiest of holies etc.. These symbols were complete in Christ. Jesus
came to fulfill all the law, and to law it to rest. People no longer needed symbols of what was real.
This is why the NT warned about holy days and liturgical symbols. A warning not heeded with the
mainstream churches.

There's only one law of circumcision. Not two or three, only one law of circumcision

Ok, so what law did Jesus say he came to fulfil.
Note Jesus did say in Matthew 5:17-19---
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven"

Ok, So which law is Jesus referring to in Matthew 5:1-16.

 

[CG Didymus]

Then Christianity has become a religion that does not even remotely resemble what Christ taught. Many of the Christians I talk to on this forum struggle with the basics of their own religion, let alone that of another. Their knowledge of Islam is based on little more that prejudice and bigotry, which is a shame because this is a useful space to learn. Consequently people everywhere have lost sight of God and His purpose for humanity. Its as if they are wandering in the paths of delusion bereft of discernment to see God with their own eyes or hear His melody with their own ears.

What is it that Christ taught? Without using just a few verses that paint a rosy Baha'i type of picture, but by using all of the quotes from Jesus, what did he teach?

Then, by using the whole of the New Testament, what should Christianity be teaching?

No matter what you come up with, there will always be the question as to how reliable is the New Testament. Baha'is use it both ways. Quoting from it as if it is the "Word of God", and other times questioning what is said and pointing out that those that wrote it were not eyewitnesses. I would add that they were terribly prejudiced in their writing and wanted Jesus and their view of what he taught to look as if it was the very "Word of God". And, if Christians today believe that is the case, why wouldn't they take every word as absolutely the truth about God.

Then what happens, Baha'is criticize them for taking it too literal. There is no reason why a Christian should not believe that Islam, the Baha'i Faith and all the other religions, are false. With the one exception being Judaism, and even there, Christianity, with what they teach in the NT, nullifies it and its laws, and makes themselves the "new" covenant, dissolving the "old" covenant.

Now if you want to say that the NT writers made things up, exaggerated things, and took things out of context from the Jewish Scriptures to make their case, then I'd agree. But that would make Christianity a religion built on falsehoods. And that all goes back to what one of the Jewish posters said about retrofitting. With the "Abrahamic" line of religions, each one knocks down all the pillars of the previous one and yet finds "prophecies" that make it, the new religion, the truth. Christianity took out Judaism. Islam took out Christianity. And now, the Baha'i Faith takes them all out... and not in a good way... not like some God designed progression, but by showing how the previous religion screwed things up.

To say that Christians are "prejudiced" against Islam, then you also have to say that Judaism is prejudiced against Christianity. And, Islam is prejudiced against the Baha'i Faith. But are the "prejudiced" or justified? From their pov, they are justified by their Scriptures. To the Jews, Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies about being the Messiah. For Christians, Muhammad is not a prophet of God. And to Islam and Christianity, Baha'u'llah is not the "return" of Christ or some hidden "Mahdi" or whatever Baha'is say that Baha'u'llah is to the Moslems.

Is that prejudice, or believing the very words of what each religions believes to be the "Word" of God? Then Baha's always argue that these other religions should be open to other interpretations of their own Scriptures? But, those interpretation undermine and destroy their religion. If they go by those Baha'i interpretations, they would not be Jews, or Christians or Moslems, they would be Baha'is. They would be admitting that their old religion was wrong and only, that is, only the Baha'is have it right and speak the truth about God.

Baha'is act as if all the believers in all the other religions are blind followers... that they don't know and understand their own religion and their own Scriptures. But some do, and some question and point out the contradictions in the Baha'i interpretation. And you say those people have 'lost" sight of God? They are wandering in paths of "delusion"? That is how Baha'is really feel about the believers in the other religions? That is "oneness"? That is "respect"? That is accepting all religions to be from the same God? No, it's saying they are all wrong, and anyone foolish enough to still be following these other religions is blind and is nothing but a blind follower of false teachings and traditions... that nothing in their religion has any truth left in it. That is, except, the few verses and the prophecies, and the verses that can be retrofitted to become prophecies, and the things that are true symbolically... Those things, the Baha'is accept.

Great, then everyone is wrong but Baha'is. Then just plainly say so. Quit pretending how you love and respect all the other religions, you don't. You believe they are all wrong. The only reason you need Islam in the Bible is to prove you are in the Bible also. But who are the false teachers and false prophets of the Bible? If it's not you then who? The Christians themselves? The Baha'is constantly use the quote about "good fruit"... Since Baha'is produce good fruit, they must be true. But which religious movement doesn't produce some good? Even Scientology has helped some people. But is it the truth from God? Your truth centers around "Unity" and "Oneness", how can you call it unity when at the core of your beliefs, you don't believe the other religions to know and to be teaching the truth?

 

[CG Didymus]

As Moses, Christ, Muhammad, the Bab, and Bahá’u’lláh all represent the ‘The Spirit of God’ or the ‘Holy Spirit’ then they live within our hearts and if we make efforts to live in accordance with His Teachings then we can become informed of the Divine mysteries. Some Christians believe they have this special relationship with God because the Holy Spirit dwells only in Christians. Furthermore it is only special Christians such as themselves that experience this. We are all entitled to our beliefs.

But you said that it didn't make sense that a "disembodied" Spirit could do the things mentioned. But, how is it possible and how does it make sense that two physical bodies that wouldn't exist for several centuries be known and dwell within the apostles? Here is what I asked again:

In John 14:26 in your quote, it says who the Comforter is... the Holy Ghost. And, again, in 14:17, it says that the Spirit of Truth was known to the apostles because he dwells with them and will be in them. And at Pentecost was in them. Muhammad nor Baha'u'llah was known to them nor was dwelling with them and was later in them.

So Jesus says the "Comforter" is the "Holy Ghost". This "Spirit of Truth" was known and dwelt within the apostles. Why couldn't there be a spiritual being known as the "Holy Ghost" or "Spirit of Truth" that could be known and dwell within them? Why would this "Spirit of Truth" need to have a physical body? Even in people, what is more real and eternal, the physical body or the spirit?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Uhhh, your logic must be broken. Logically, if a religion comes 6-8 centuries AFTER the last written work of a anthology, the logic rules against them. But, strictly speaking, the Bible does issue warnings against Islam. Telling people to beware of false prophets. Telling ppl that "even if an angel" told a gospel contrary to the one given they are under a curse. That pronouncement disqualifies both Mormonism and Islam.

So... how badly do you want Islam to be mentioned in the Bible?

It could be that it is the church divided that is that angel. Stands to reason that the deception was from the people that called themselves Christains, the wolves in sheeps clothing.

I see the Bible supports that the deception comes from within and from a New Message given by God to correct that deception. That correction is contained in the Quran.

Peace be with you, regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

If Christianity and Islam are of God. That's an assumption. Jesus likely didn't want his followers designing a cult after him. And there's basically no grounds except Muhammad's own words that this angel he sees is legit. And the first thing he does when this happens is try to kill himself. Not a resounding endorsement.

One could say there is no grounds to say Jesus is legit except his Words.

Fortunatly they both lived their Words and are the purpose of those Words and I thank God for them both.

Regards Tony