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angellous_evangellous
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I'll accept responsibility for the Crusades when you take responsibility for Stalin.
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Does the bible REALLY apply to us today?
- Thread starter savethedreams
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I'll accept responsibility for the Crusades when you take responsibility for Stalin.
:clap Precisely!
Villager
Active Member
One must take responsibility for the actions of any whom one accepts as an equal.
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angellous_evangellous
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A matter of delusions of granduer, then.
Well said.
T-Dawg
Self-appointed Lunatic
As someone who hates Christianity, I'd like to state that the fact that the Bible does not mention you personally is a rather poor reason for rejecting it.
Yes of course the Bible applies today, from Genesis to Revelation. For Paul wrote in 2 Tim. 3:14-17, "But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
Furthermore, Paul wrote in Romans 4:18-24, "Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, "So shall your offspring be." 19 Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead--since he was about a hundred years old--and that Sarah's womb was also dead. 20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22 This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." 23 The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead."
Moreover, Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 10:1-11, "For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert. 6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry." 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did--and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test the Lord, as some of them did--and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did--and were killed by the destroying angel. 11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come."
Therefore, the Bible does indeed apply to us today, and so this means that sins such as fornication, audultery, homesexuality and so on apply to us today also.
Furthermore, Paul wrote in Romans 4:18-24, "Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, "So shall your offspring be." 19 Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead--since he was about a hundred years old--and that Sarah's womb was also dead. 20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22 This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." 23 The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead."
Moreover, Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 10:1-11, "For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert. 6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry." 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did--and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test the Lord, as some of them did--and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did--and were killed by the destroying angel. 11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come."
Therefore, the Bible does indeed apply to us today, and so this means that sins such as fornication, audultery, homesexuality and so on apply to us today also.
Villager
Active Member
Joe 'Stalin' Vissarionovich was grand? Just an ordinary Joe. Just an Orthodox sensible enough to realise that Orthodoxy was insufficient to keep the proletariat under control, and a bit of self-aggrandisement and massacre would do the trick instead. In my humble view, of course.
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
The Bible still applies, but not as much as new scripture such as the Baha'i Writings.
Peace,
Bruce
Peace,
Bruce
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angellous_evangellous
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waitasec
Veteran Member
and there are those who claim the bible to be a revelation who approach the bible as the infallible word of god...thereby ignoring it's flaws ... ignorance and hate...
yes i agree there are many beautiful and meaningful messages in the bible that one can get from it ... just as one would get beautiful and meaningful messages from shakespear's sonnets. but where is the whoopla over those? i would guess because people accept it for what it is, a mans perspective...not god's
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Not sure that the hoopla was in full gear until the Protestants invented Sola Scriptura in the 1500s, and fiddled with the canon.
waitasec
Veteran Member
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
No.......
Buddhist, Hindus as well as other non-Abrahamic religions are doing no better or no worse. The two I mentioned above have been in practice for a few thousand years now so I'd say (No) the bible does not apply. I was born Atheist and have been an Atheist all my life so I fail to see how it or any other religious script would apply to me.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Last time I checked, Stalin was not crusading in the name of athiesm. If anything, he was doing it in the name of communism; athiesm was just a side issue.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Funny how people try to skirt around these things, isn't it.
Compare your response to Stalin to fallingblood's response to the Crusades:
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Villager
Active Member
Paracetamol.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
You know if Stalin was a Christian though, it would have been in the name of Christianity. Because all Christians, at all times, act in the name of Christianity.
Villager
Active Member
It's not even slightly credible that Joseph was a communist, for those who have understood Marx. This man actually violently opposed those who were of genuine communistic ideals. He was actually a capitalist; a state capitalist, but a capitalist all the same. He acted to promote capitalism in the USSR, which process he perceived to require the harshest possible methods of population control in what he perceived to be a desperate economic and social situation. This entailed the suppression of a sense of decent morality, suppression of religion, in particular evangelicalism.
In this he was somewhat like Constantine, who had to prop up a fragile economy with a monolithic belief that supplanted Christianity, that threatened the corrupt state apparatus; or lose his life, in all probability. His monolith included what was to become Eastern Orthodoxy, of which, much later, Joseph Vassarionovich Dzhugashvili, 'Stalin', was a competent and intelligent member.
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savethedreams
Active Member
I'm not over their in the soviet union, and i am an african-american in the united states. 100% negriod lol so, I think they would kill me to , or Joesph would as well. So I can take responisibility if I'm the victim. Both Crusades and Stalin would have me killed.
WRONG, NEXT