Does The Koran Teach "Kill The Infidels"

[Gaura Priya]

So in short, no, the Qur'an does not teach to 'kill the infidels.'

"It is because of this that We have decreed for the Children of Israel: 'Anyone who kills a person for other than murder, or corruption in the land; then it is as if he has killed all the people! And whoever spares a life, then it is as if he has given life to all the people.' Our messengers had come to them with clarities, but many of them are, after this, still corrupting on the earth."

-- Qur'an 5:32

 

[waitasec]

Islam, having taken into Wahhabi doctrine, can be considered fundamentalist, but this is not the same with other places. such as Canada, where Islam is considered just one of the many religions out there.

Remember that the Wahhabi interpretation of Islam is an extremist interpretation as of late, as much as fundamentalism developed as of late in Christianity.

good point.

If you're sucking on a lollipop and I take it from you, I'm the aggressor; I am the one that has committed the crime.

Acts of violence should only be done in defense from physical harm, and that is where the Qur'an clarifies this.

but the reason you took my lollipop is because my dad took it from your dad and so on...

Turkey is a very progressive Islamic state... and in Canada, obviously it is not clashing here (except Quebec; but they don't want to be part of Canada anyways). Like "Little Mosque on the Prairie"!



Yes, but it is the third largest Islamic ideological group after Sunnis and Shiahs.

And schools of philosophy and interpretation, such as Ismaili, or Wahhabi, are, well, schools of interpretation on how the Qur'an is translated into daily life. Just like how the Buddhist Scriptures have been used in a variety of ways to support elitism, importance of men over women, disparity between the monastics and laypeople, etc.

isn't religion wonderful...:sarcastic

 

[waitasec]

So in short, no, the Qur'an does not teach to 'kill the infidels.'

"It is because of this that We have decreed for the Children of Israel: 'Anyone who kills a person for other than murder, or corruption in the land; then it is as if he has killed all the people! And whoever spares a life, then it is as if he has given life to all the people.' Our messengers had come to them with clarities, but many of them are, after this, still corrupting on the earth."

-- Qur'an 5:32

it is because of what?

but i'll quote this for my mum...and see what happens.


thank you for your time

 

[BruceDLimber]

Regardless, the late, great Popeyesays was correct:

We Baha'is fully recognize Islam as a legitimate, God-sent religion just as we do Judaism, Christianity, and others!

And much of the violence (against others as well as Baha'is) springs from individuals who pervert Islam to their own nefarious ends.

This is why we continue our respect for and recognition of Islam regardless of these events.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[kai]

So in short, no, the Qur'an does not teach to 'kill the infidels.'



-- Qur'an 5:32

The thing is it does! all be it in context . the problem is when people interpret that into the timezone that they live in and define the term self defense to suit their ambitions.

I mean if was taken literally as you suggest no Muslim Army would have left the Arabian peninsular, There wouldn't have been any Islamic empires if Muslims only fought in genuine self defense.


The very fact that those paragraphs are there has caused many many conflicts and still does.

 

[No Good Boyo]

Are there verses that instruct Muslims to kill the infidels?

Yes, but the bible also encourages you to kill unbelievers...
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5)

Who Are The Infidels?

Anyone who is not a follower of that faith

What Are You Promised if you kill the infidels ?

Passage to the afterlife for you and your family. Lots of virgins when you get there (bit weird, but sounds like a good party...but not for the virgins)

Do you go to paradise if you don't carry out this command ?

Not sure.

 

[waitasec]

bottom line all 3 abrahamic religions tell you it's ok to kill
because you are gods chosen...

is it any wonder why these 3 religions hold the rest of the world hostage?

 

[Gaura Priya]

it is because of what?

but i'll quote this for my mum...and see what happens.


thank you for your time

" But recite unto them with truth the tale of the two sons of Adam, how they offered each a sacrifice, and it was accepted from the one of them and it was not accepted from the other. The one said: I will surely kill thee. The other answered: God accepteth only from those who ward off evil.

Even if thou stretch out thy hand against me to kill me, I shall not stretch out my hand against thee to kill thee, lo! I fear God, the Lord of the Worlds.

Lo! I would rather thou shouldst bear the punishment of the sin against me and thine own sin and become one of the owners of the fire. That is the reward of evil-doers.

But the other's mind imposed on him the killing of his brother, so he slew him and became one of the losers...

For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs of God's Sovereignty, but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth. "

-- Qur'an 5:27-30, 32

 

[England my lionheart]

Are there verses that instruct Muslims to kill the infidels?

Yes it does,Announce painful punishment for those who disbelieve 9:3

O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. (9:73)

O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). (9:123)

I WILL CAST TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE. THEREFORE STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS AND STRIKE OFF EVERY FINGERTIP OF THEM. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ACTED ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER; AND WHOEVER ACTS ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER - THEN SURELY ALLAH IS SEVERE IN REQUITING (EVIL). THIS - TASTE IT, AND (KNOW) THAT FOR THE UNBELIEVERS IS THE PUNISHMENT OF FIRE.

but in the context of the time

Who Are The Infidels?

Non Muslims,idolaters

What Are You Promised if you kill the infidels ?

Paradise

 

[Gaura Priya]

bottom line all 3 abrahamic religions tell you it's ok to kill
because you are gods chosen...

is it any wonder why these 3 religions hold the rest of the world hostage?

So out of the fact that billions upon billions of people follow these religions, you have chosen to isolate a fundamentalist ideology of a select few?

Buddhism has also been attrocious too with violence; Hinduism has been replete with violence with the Vaishnavas and Shaivas all throughout history.

Heck, people have killed each other for reasons other than religion, such as class, colour, and even sexual orientation.

So while you've completely ignored the pacifist Muslims out there, the pacifist forward thinking Christians as well as humanist-inspired Jews, you've completely mocked yourself from your own narrow way of thinking by narrowing religion to the sword and violence.

Congratulations.

 

[Gaura Priya]

Yes it does,Announce painful punishment for those who disbelieve 9:3

"And a proclamation from God and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that God is free from obligation to the idolaters, and so is His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape God. Give tidings, O Muhammad, of a painful doom to those who disbelieve.

Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. As for these, fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! God loveth those who keep their duty unto Him."

This is for the people who were against Muhammad and His new religion, after all the harrassment that they have been through.

O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. (9:73)

A few verses after says:

"And of them is he who made a covenant with God saying: If He give us of His bounty we will give alms and become of the righteous.
Yet when He gave them of His bounty, they hoarded it and turned away, averse;

So He hath made the consequence to be hypocrisy in their hearts until the day when they shall meet Him, because they broke their word to God that they promised Him, and because they lied."



Thus the punishment of those who made a covenant with the followers of Muhammad for peace, and then broke that covenant, which lead to the continuous harrassments, pillaging, raping, etc. for the early Muslims, is separation from God for eternity characterised as Fire.

O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). (9:123)

And yet the verse before that says this:

"And the believers should not all go out to fight. Of every troop of them, a party only should go forth, that they who are left behind may gain sound knowledge in religion, and that they may warn their folk when they return to them, so that they may beware."

This is called defense... when you have people who betrayed you and told your whereabouts so that they can kill you, you really have no choice, do you?

I WILL CAST TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE. THEREFORE STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS AND STRIKE OFF EVERY FINGERTIP OF THEM. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ACTED ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER; AND WHOEVER ACTS ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER - THEN SURELY ALLAH IS SEVERE IN REQUITING (EVIL). THIS - TASTE IT, AND (KNOW) THAT FOR THE UNBELIEVERS IS THE PUNISHMENT OF FIRE.

Where is this in the Qur'an?

 

[Gaura Priya]

Anyone who is not a follower of that faith

Passage to the afterlife for you and your family. Lots of virgins when you get there (bit weird, but sounds like a good party...but not for the virgins)

Not sure.

Guess what? None of this is in the Qur'an... it's un-Qur'anic to think that there will be pleasure virgins in Paradise. Wishful thinking, maybe.

But people are sheep anyways. It's as crazy as Christians who believe in the Rapture... even though it is a completely novel doctrine and new interpretation of the Bible.

 

[England my lionheart]

"And a proclamation from God and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that God is free from obligation to the idolaters, and so is His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape God. Give tidings, O Muhammad, of a painful doom to those who disbelieve.

Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. As for these, fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! God loveth those who keep their duty unto Him."

This is for the people who were against Muhammad and His new religion, after all the harrassment that they have been through.



A few verses after says:

"And of them is he who made a covenant with God saying: If He give us of His bounty we will give alms and become of the righteous.
Yet when He gave them of His bounty, they hoarded it and turned away, averse;

So He hath made the consequence to be hypocrisy in their hearts until the day when they shall meet Him, because they broke their word to God that they promised Him, and because they lied."



Thus the punishment of those who made a covenant with the followers of Muhammad for peace, and then broke that covenant, which lead to the continuous harrassments, pillaging, raping, etc. for the early Muslims, is separation from God for eternity characterised as Fire.



And yet the verse before that says this:

"And the believers should not all go out to fight. Of every troop of them, a party only should go forth, that they who are left behind may gain sound knowledge in religion, and that they may warn their folk when they return to them, so that they may beware."

This is called defense... when you have people who betrayed you and told your whereabouts so that they can kill you, you really have no choice, do you?



Where is this in the Qur'an?

8:12:17 i think,as for the rest in my post i said "in the context of the time"

 

[Rainbow Mage]

See examined closely the Koran doesn't even really teach a literal hell. Read many of the passages about hell and notice the metaphorical terms used for it. It calls hell an "evil bed to lie on", an "evil abode", etc. It says that the sins of the evil doer overtakes them openly while all look on= karma.

 

[No Good Boyo]

Guess what? None of this is in the Qur'an... it's un-Qur'anic to think that there will be pleasure virgins in Paradise. Wishful thinking, maybe.

But people are sheep anyways. It's as crazy as Christians who believe in the Rapture... even though it is a completely novel doctrine and new interpretation of the Bible.

Did I say it was in the Qu'ran? Sorry, my error.

I believe this actually comes from the Hadith. Not the be all and end all of the religion, but it is the second most authorative document of Islam.

By my own admittion, I am not an authority on Islam so I welcome any correction to my input.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Did I say it was in the Qu'ran? Sorry, my error.

I believe this actually comes from the Hadith. Not the be all and end all of the religion, but it is the second most authorative document of Islam.

By my own admittion, I am not an authority on Islam so I welcome any correction to my input.

To me the hadiths are too spurious and late in their recording to be taken seriously as authoritative. The hadiths also contain silly ideas in many places, that if Muhammad really did say this stuff, he should be dismissed as troubled, to put it nicely.

The hadiths say all kinds of strange nonsense. They say that if a person sleeps through morning prayer the devil urinates in his ear, and that angels stop asking Allah for someone's forgiveness if they break wind.

Buhkari Vol. 1 8:466 Narrated Abu Huraira: When he enters the mosque he is considered in prayer as long as he is waiting for the prayer and the angels keep on asking for Allah's forgiveness for him and they keep on saying: 'O Allah! Be Merciful to him, O Allah! Forgive him, as long as he keeps on sitting at his praying place and does not pass wind.

Buhkari Vol. 2 21:245 Narrated Abdullah: A person was mentioned before the Prophet (PBUH) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears."

 

[waitasec]

iman hamid al-ghazali 1058-1111 AD
said math was the work of the devil...any comments?

isn't it true that the middle east was flourishing in the sciences, medicine and math from 800 to 1100 until this man introduced this idea?

 

[Autodidact]

Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context.

READ THE WHOLE THING.

I don't think the problem is so much the critics of Islam, as the thousands of Muslims who quote it out of context and act on it. That is, if actual Muslims were not actually quoting this verse and shouting "Allah Akbar" as they actually blew up themselves and thousands of other actual people, then critics of Islam probably would not be learning this interpretation from them. Rather than direct your criticism to the "critics of Islam," it would probably be more effective to restrain its proponents. Of course, since they have a tendency to kill people, I'm sure it's much safer to attack the critics instead.

 

[Autodidact]

its God law

So you agree that Muslims who come to believe that God does not exist should be killed?

 

[England my lionheart]

See examined closely the Koran doesn't even really teach a literal hell. Read many of the passages about hell and notice the metaphorical terms used for it. It calls hell an "evil bed to lie on", an "evil abode", etc. It says that the sins of the evil doer overtakes them openly while all look on= karma.

Seems to me it blatantly says literal Hell for the unbelievers,doesn't matter though because you can't be sent to somewhere that doesn't exist