Does The Koran Teach "Kill The Infidels"

[Jeremy Mason]

I've been told, music in heaven is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kai]

what about the islamic minorities in china ,Russia....? ,most probably no one heard about their suffering and eradication in the golden age of communism ,and nowadays. there are lots of human rights issues in china the dying babiy rooms for one, and stalins rule is all in the history books millions dead
have the christian minoriteis in the middle east ever witnessed anything like that ?
in fact ,in Egypt ,the secular government is biased against muslims , and not anyone else.
the muslims are the ones who can't practice their religion freely in a country where they constitute more than 95% of its population.if you want to do itekaf in the month of ramadan in one of the mosques, u will be put on the blacklist of the police and you might get caught at any time with no particular accusation.

the hijab is banned in tunisia, a country with an islamic majority. and in many important fields in other so called islamic countries.
a brutal war is waged against every islamic author ,activist and symbol inside and outside the so called islamic countries..

the muslims were being eradicated for 10 years in bosnia, and no one blinked for them , just like no one is blinking for people in ghazza right now....the rights of a dog is much more worthy in the eyes of the civilized west than those of a muslim human being ... the west saved the muslims in the former yugoslavia, mainly america and the uk without UN permision

and after all this, we are the terrorists , we are the bad guys ,and it's our quran that should vanish for peace to prevail , right ? after what you are a terrorist? who said you were a terrorist? and who said the quran had to vanish?

sometimes i wonder , Are those people brain washed, or blind ,or dummy or just repeating the words of the zionist propaganda ,or what ?
What people ? whos a zionist?
one simple question, what the hell is wrong with the islamic minorities living with us ?

no idea and whos us?

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

I' ve taught many students drumming, skiing, cooking, stiainglass, golfing, chess, cribigde (sp?), believing.

Not all types of music are prohibited in Islam. This is a topic of debate even among muslims. You will find some who say that all music is prohibited, some who say only some music is prohibited, and some who say there is no prohibition on music at all. I am personally of the opinion that some forms of music are fine and some aren't. The only musical instrument that I have heard is permissible is the drum and the human voice. The context of the music is also taken into account. A song that is sexually explicit is not looked upon as okay. A song about good things, or moral standards according to Islam is viewed upon as fine.

Most games are considered permissible. Board games, sports, other hobbies, such as what you named like cooking and other things are all fine to do. Like anything, Islam encourages moderation in both worship and leisure things. One must not waste inordinate amounts of time on these games though. Especially where it may interfere or cause forgetfulness of one's Islamic duties. Hope I answered your question.

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

You are my friend, Talk is a sword. Talk can reconcile.

Yes words certainly have a power that most do not respect. Plus, your offer of friendship is well accepted.:yes:

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

I've been told, music in heaven is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been told the same. It has even been said in some hadith, that the wind blowing through the trees of Jannah create a music that none have ever heard. Sounds good to me. I've been a music lover since way back.

 

[Popeyesays]

For Baha`is the issue of music is settled in The Kitab`i Aqdas:

"We have made it lawful for you to listen to music and singing. Take heed, however, lest listening thereto should cause you to overstep the bounds of propriety and dignity. Let your joy be the joy born of My Most Great Name, a Name that bringeth rapture to the heart, and filleth with ecstasy the minds of all who have drawn nigh unto God. We, verily, have made music as a ladder for your souls, a means whereby they may be lifted up unto the realm on high; make it not, therefore, as wings to self and passion. Truly, We are loath to see you numbered with the foolish."

Regards,
Scott

 

[Jeremy Mason]

As some Muslims have pointed out in this forum that they do not advocate violence for their religion and I commend them for doing so. I also know some Muslims are fighting the Taliban and other radical factions of Islam. Are there any Muslim based petitions to improve the rights of Muslims and non-Muslims in Islamic countries that clearly have human rights issues?

 

[TashaN]

Abu Khalid, according to what I know non-Muslims can live in the Arabian Peninsula but no churches or any other places of worship should be built there.

Interesting. I thought non-muslims were allowed to live in Saudi, just not to build their churches and so on in Makkah and Medina? Question, were non-muslims allowed to live in Saudi during the time of Rasulullah (saw)?

Hmmm, it seems that i gave the impression that non-muslims can't live in Saudi Arabia. Anyway, of course non-muslims can live and work there but they can't get the saudian citizenship nor can practice their faith.

I haven't the slightest idea of exactly what does or does not happen to non-muslims in Saudi Arabia. I would guess on a whim though, that whatever happens to them depending on the circumstances is probably not according to the very high standards set by Allah and His rasul. I can guess this because the rights of the muslims are not recognized accordingly, and if they do not apply correctly and protect the rights of the muslims, the non-muslims don't have anything coming. Some things are in place somewhat according to deen, but so much is wrong there. Islam dictates that non-muslims should definitely have the right to practice their own religion freely and uninterrupted. If they aren't seeing to that in countries that claim to be following Allah's law and the shariah, then they are sorely lacking in their duties.

Well, it depends, if you are an american, then you will be treated in saudi arabia better than any other muslims or non-muslim foreigner. The same can be said about people from europe.

I once met a non-muslim Malaysian-Chinese lady in the saudian airlines while i was going back home, and she told me the difference in salaries between different nationalities. The americans and europeans might get triple what they get in their own homeland, and the other foreigners would be lucky if they earned 25% of it.

For example me, if i went to work in saudi arabia, i might get, lets say 1000$ but if brought an american passport they might increase that to be something like 5000$ or 7000$. So simple! and yeah, it doesn't matter whether i'm a muslim or not in this case. That's why many americans go to Saudi Arabia despite the massive restrictions. Anyway, they built for them in many cities "mini-cities" where the american women don't have to wear *anything* if they want, and they can drink alcohol, build bars, etc, and they have a very tight security procedures as well. It's like heaven for americans there because they can enjoy everything they were enjoying in their homes, but they can't behave in the same way in public arera in main cities. You never ever wondered why americans still go there despite all what you hear about saudi arabia. lol. You can get rich if you went to saudi arabia because you are an american passport holder, you know that?

 

[Jeremy Mason]

Hmmm, it seems that i gave the impression that non-muslims can't live in Saudi Arabia. Anyway, of course non-muslims can live and work there but they can't get the saudian citizenship nor can practice their faith.



Well, it depends, if you are an american, then you will be treated in saudi arabia better than any other muslims or non-muslim foreigner. The same can be said about people from europe.

I once met a non-muslim Malaysian-Chinese lady in the saudian airlines while i was going back home, and she told me the difference in salaries between different nationalities. The americans and europeans might get triple what they get in their own homeland, and the other foreigners would be lucky if they earned 25% of it.

For example me, if i went to work in saudi arabia, i might get, lets say 1000$ but if brought an american passport they might increase that to be something like 5000$ or 7000$. So simple! and yeah, it doesn't matter whether i'm a muslim or not in this case. That's why many americans go to Saudi Arabia despite the massive restrictions. Anyway, they built for them in many cities "mini-cities" where the american women don't have to wear *anything* if they want, and they can drink alcohol, build bars, etc, and they have a very tight security procedures as well. It's like heaven for americans there because they can enjoy everything they were enjoying in their homes, but they can't behave in the same way in public arera in main cities. You never ever wondered why americans still go there despite all what you hear about saudi arabia. lol. You can get rich if you went to saudi arabia because you are an american passport holder, you know that?

Wow, drinking alcohol? I never would have though. What about churches, where do they permit non-Muslim churches?

 

[Sahar]

For example me, if i went to work in saudi arabia, i might get, lets say 1000$ but if brought an american passport they might increase that to be something like 5000$ or 7000$. So simple! and yeah, it doesn't matter whether i'm a muslim or not in this case. That's why many americans go to Saudi Arabia despite the massive restrictions. Anyway, they built for them in many cities "mini-cities" where the american women don't have to wear *anything* if they want, and they can drink alcohol, build bars, etc, and they have a very tight security procedures as well. It's like heaven for americans there because they can enjoy everything they were enjoying in their homes, but they can't behave in the same way in public arera in main cities. You never ever wondered why americans still go there despite all what you hear about saudi arabia. lol. You can get rich if you went to saudi arabia because you are an american passport holder, you know that?

 

[TashaN]

Wow, drinking alcohol? I never would have though. What about churches, where do they permit non-Muslim churches?

No, this the only thing i never heard of. But maybe they might do so in their houses.

 

[Muffled]

Hmmm, it seems that i gave the impression that non-muslims can't live in Saudi Arabia. Anyway, of course non-muslims can live and work there but they can't get the saudian citizenship nor can practice their faith.



Well, it depends, if you are an american, then you will be treated in saudi arabia better than any other muslims or non-muslim foreigner. The same can be said about people from europe.

I once met a non-muslim Malaysian-Chinese lady in the saudian airlines while i was going back home, and she told me the difference in salaries between different nationalities. The americans and europeans might get triple what they get in their own homeland, and the other foreigners would be lucky if they earned 25% of it.

For example me, if i went to work in saudi arabia, i might get, lets say 1000$ but if brought an american passport they might increase that to be something like 5000$ or 7000$. So simple! and yeah, it doesn't matter whether i'm a muslim or not in this case. That's why many americans go to Saudi Arabia despite the massive restrictions. Anyway, they built for them in many cities "mini-cities" where the american women don't have to wear *anything* if they want, and they can drink alcohol, build bars, etc, and they have a very tight security procedures as well. It's like heaven for americans there because they can enjoy everything they were enjoying in their homes, but they can't behave in the same way in public arera in main cities. You never ever wondered why americans still go there despite all what you hear about saudi arabia. lol. You can get rich if you went to saudi arabia because you are an american passport holder, you know that?

I had thoughts of answering an ad for a Saudi job becuase of the high pay. Also there is a big break on taxes as well. The down side is that it is far from family and as a Christian it would have been very dangerous for me.

If I ever make it to Saudi Arabia it will be as an evangelist with the power of God in my hands. So the Saudis can think of me as an infidel if they like but if they get violent the violence will turn on their own heads just as it did when tribes ran Mohammed out of town because they didn't like the message from God.

 

[Popeyesays]

I had thoughts of answering an ad for a Saudi job becuase of the high pay. Also there is a big break on taxes as well. The down side is that it is far from family and as a Christian it would have been very dangerous for me.

If I ever make it to Saudi Arabia it will be as an evangelist with the power of God in my hands. So the Saudis can think of me as an infidel if they like but if they get violent the violence will turn on their own heads just as it did when tribes ran Mohammed out of town because they didn't like the message from God.

In order to go to Saudi Arabia you have to sign contracts. Would you perjure yourself in a sworn contract?

Regards.
Scott

 

[credance]

what about the islamic minorities in china ,Russia....? ,most probably no one heard about their suffering and eradication in the golden age of communism ,and nowadays.
have the christian minoriteis in the middle east ever witnessed anything like that ?
in fact ,in Egypt ,the secular government is biased against muslims , and not anyone else.
the muslims are the ones who can't practice their religion freely in a country where they constitute more than 95% of its population.if you want to do itekaf in the month of ramadan in one of the mosques, u will be put on the blacklist of the police and you might get caught at any time with no particular accusation.

the hijab is banned in tunisia, a country with an islamic majority. and in many important fields in other so called islamic countries.
a brutal war is waged against every islamic author ,activist and symbol inside and outside the so called islamic countries..

the muslims were being eradicated for 10 years in bosnia, and no one blinked for them , just like no one is blinking for people in ghazza right now....the rights of a dog is much more worthy in the eyes of the civilized west than those of a muslim human being ...

and after all this, we are the terrorists , we are the bad guys ,and it's our quran that should vanish for peace to prevail , right ?

sometimes i wonder , Are those people brain washed, or blind ,or dummy or just repeating the words of the zionist propaganda ,or what ?

one simple question, what the hell is wrong with the islamic minorities living with us ?

No one should have their freedom of heart restricted.
I see more restrictions in Islamic countries than I do in the horrible West.
Why does anyone have to be the bad guy? Freedom to choice how you worship God is a fundmental human right. Any government that does not enforce this is seeking their own agenda.


When you say it is our Quran, you imply that you speak for many people. Yet when asked why so much is going on in the world concerning Muslims you distance yourself.

This is not the words of the prophet. This is not Islam, you say.
Islam may have much to offer the world, but much of the world wants no part of it.

 

[.lava]

Are there verses that instruct Muslims to kill the infidels?

Who Are The Infidels?

What Are You Promised if you kill the infidels ?

Do you go to paradise if you don't carry out this command ?

hi,
there is one surah in Qur'an named Al-tavba. entire surah is about self-defense in a war. if noone is attacking you, your family, your country then there is no need for self-defense. in other words, Islam donot give any command to attack others.

besides, if there is no war, it would be almost impossible to say who's infidel and who's not. as there are people who appears to be Muslims but they are not. what you wear, what nationality you are...all tricky. because nothing is what it seems. what's within your heart known by God.

during the time of the last Prophet, all the Muslims were attacked by disbelievers. some were tortured, some were killed just because they didnot obey idols made of stone and chosed Islam over paganism. mocking, insulting, torturing and finally killing Muslims lasted nearly for a decade. both sides made peace. Muslims, as they're commanded, did forgive killers of their parents and/or children. but disbelievers ambushed Muslims and killed them again. only after they broke their promise, God commanded Muslims to defend themselves. all the battles of Islam began after this process. and Al-Tavba was given.

 

[Preterist]

Sura 4:89 “seize them and slay them wherever you find them"

sura 4:101 " the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.”

9.123 “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you”

Mohammed said, “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” (Hadith Al Buhkari vo[FONT=&quot]l. 9:57:run:[/FONT]

 

[Godobeyer]

Sura 4:89 “seize them and slay them wherever you find them"
sura 4:101 " the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.”
9.123 “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you”l. 9:57

these verses of Quran talking about a special case "War" , war between the polytheisths(arabs) and muslims , if you want to understand the Quran you must refer to his explication books , called "tafseer"
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir

Mohammed said, “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” (Hadith Al Buhkari vo[FONT=&quot]l. 9:57:run:[/FONT]

its God law

 

[YmirGF]

its God law

Correction: You only believe it is "gods" law. Given that you haven't got a shred of proof of the existence of god, it is a bit of a leap to assert that such an alleged being has laws. Not only do you have to prove that god exists, but the onus is now on you to prove that said being also has laws. Anything less is akin to intellectual dishonesty.

Do try to think clearly.

More to the point though, does this mean that you are in favor of killing those who leave Islam - for any reason?

 

[jonman122]

More to the point though, does this mean that you are in favor of killing those who leave Islam - for any reason?

it is a clear rule in islam that any one who leaves the religion is to be killed while in a country that practices sharia law. What i don't understand is when other muslims say that this is not in the qu'ran or that we're misinterpretting it :\

 

[Godobeyer]

Correction: You only believe it is "gods" law. Given that you haven't got a shred of proof of the existence of god, it is a bit of a leap to assert that such an alleged being has laws. Not only do you have to prove that god exists, but the onus is now on you to prove that said being also has laws. Anything less is akin to intellectual dishonesty.

Do try to think clearly.

More to the point though, does this mean that you are in favor of killing those who leave Islam - for any reason?

the Islam and Christianity and Judiasm based to God law ,the Torah for the Jews , the Gospels for the Christians ,the Quran and the Sunna for the Muslims .
the God law (not Gods law as you said) not able to discussion, if you did not know the reason why ... but most of time the reason already knowning....