Does your religion treat everyone equally?

[Rick O'Shez]

What about procreation with children? Do you "discriminate" against that?

The world certainly doesn't need more children, if that's your argument.

 

[Robert.Evans]

The world certainly doesn't need more children, if that's your argument.

pedophilia is the argument. do you discriminate against that?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

pedophilia is the argument. do you discriminate against that?

How is pedophilia relevant here?

 

[Robert.Evans]

How is pedophilia relevant here?

You are talking about discrimination. I am merely showing that we discriminate all the time. So what is new? You are merely discriminating against those that don't hold your opinions on "discrimination".

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What about procreation with children? Do you "discriminate" against that?

Are you saying that discrimination against those who practice raping children (statutory or otherwise) is the same as all other forms of discrimination?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Are you saying that discrimination against those who practice raping children (statutory or otherwise) is the same as all other forms of discrimination?

Discrimination is discrimination, is it not. Dress it how you will, it amounts to the same thing. We make choice in life.

 

[Draka]

How is pedophilia relevant here?

It's not. It's a red herring. He keeps wanting to use examples of things which have victims and compare them to those things that are victimless in order to try to justify his own discrimination towards people. It's what he does.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You are talking about discrimination. I am merely showing that we discriminate all the time. So what is new? You are merely discriminating against those that don't hold your opinions on "discrimination".

So which forms of discrimination specifically meet your approval? Discrimination based on race? On gender? On sexual orientation? The Church of England for example seems to condone discrimination on the basis of gender and sexual orientation - do you support those attitudes?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Discrimination is discrimination, is it not. Dress it how you will, it amounts to the same thing. We make choice in life.

Not really. For starters, discrimination has at least two distinct definitions:

1. the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
2. recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.

So, no. Discrimination is not discrimination. The discrimination between a law-abiding citizen and a mass-murderer is not even remotely the same as the discrimination against minorities as a contravention of their basic human rights. Your equivocation is absurd.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

For starters, discrimination has at least two distinct definitions:

1. the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
2. recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.

Good point. Red herring time.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

But with diversity, discrimination comes in, that's why there's diversity in the first place.

Ok so you are saying that you cannot have diversity without discrimation?

If that is the case I pity your mindset.

 

[InChrist]

Does your religion treat everyone equally, or is there any form of discrimination based on race, gender or sexual orientation?

I think according to biblical Christianity everyone is equal; all are sinners who need justification and righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ...

For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Romans 3:22-26

 

[Quintessence]

So do you approve of discrimination?

One might as well ask if I approve of gravity. Discrimination exists in all human cultures, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. You're going to have to be more specific, and frankly, I don't see the point of making this personal.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Everyone is equal in that they are equally capable of making right or wrong decisions.
No system considers people who make decisions detrimental to others as being equal to those who help others.
Equality of consequences is not the same as equality regardless of the consequences.

Are those with the sexual orientations of pedophilia and rape considered equal to those who do not do this?

If people have character predispositions towards such atrocities, would it be right to allow them free reign
to pursue them, and only judge them guilty if they are caught and it can be proven in a corrupt legal system?

God's ethics are perfect, and He knows all your intents and all that you hide.
If you even slightly assist in acts of evil, it would be better if your conscience is prodded.
Those that suffer your attacks are the better for it. And you the better for admitting it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Some interesting views. Personally I really struggle to see how a mature spiritual path can involve any form of discrimination based on race, gender or sexual orientation. Discrimination and bigotry are among the more unpleasant aspects of human nature, so condoning or encouraging such attitudes seems very strange to me.

Well clearly a good father will punish a wayward child....not because the father is cruel, but because he loves them...Our elders may be wise beyond our relative youth...and know that certain errors of behavior will lead to a very bad end....such is the way of mature love to do what is right for the long term...even though it may bring unhappiness in the short....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

One might as well ask if I approve of gravity. Discrimination exists in all human cultures, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. You're going to have to be more specific, and frankly, I don't see the point of making this personal.

Moral values are personal and I have been quite specific in the thread. Where discrimination exists we can either accept it or challenge it.

 

[rusra02]

Does your religion treat everyone equally, or is there any form of discrimination based on race, gender or sexual orientation?

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28) As to "sexual orientation", "Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

 

[Buttercup]

Does your religion treat everyone equally, or is there any form of discrimination based on race, gender or sexual orientation?

When I was a Christian attending a Baptist church, a woman was not allowed to be the lead church pastor and it still isn't allowed. A majority of Protestant churches follow that rule. Women are supposed to be submissive to men. That's clearly discriminatory.