Donald Trump is digging his own grave

[Subduction Zone]

The difference is that this was a *premeditated* initiative. The first impeachment was a big fail. Now they're trying it again.

Can't you see that this is a plot? A plot to get rid of the president? That's a coup..!

What are you talking about? Where is your evidence for that? The problem is that Trump is not less honest than other politicians and that is saying something. He did break the laws in the past but like many of the charges against Clinton they did not stick. Do you seriously think that he did not pay off the porn star and the Playboy Playmate?

 

[Subduction Zone]

...And people wonder why Trump asks Ukraine for help? Because his own Justice Department is subordinate to the president, and are actively working on ousting him from his position -which is unprecedented! And possibly illegal.

No, you have it backwards. In fact you demonstrated a 'UGE error (oops Trump seep). It is not Trump's Justice Department. It is the Justice Department and though he may nominally be its leader that does not make him above the law. The workers at the Justice Department have reacted to Trump's breaking of the law.

 

[Cooky]

What are you talking about? Where is your evidence for that? The problem is that Trump is not less honest than other politicians and that is saying something. He did break the laws in the past but like many of the charges against Clinton they did not stick. Do you seriously think that he did not pay off the porn star and the Playboy Playmate?

Oh my God.

Seriously. The Justice Department who made claims they were receiving training on how to rebel against the president, who would push back... The same agency who toppled Iran and Libya, is doing what they do best... Cause problems.

And it's always the establishment elites, like Biden and Mueller, and formerly McCain, showing their faces during these times.

It's plain as day.

 

[Subduction Zone]

...And people wonder why Trump asks Ukraine for help? Because his own Justice Department is subordinate to the president, and are actively working on ousting him from his position -which is unprecedented! And possibly illegal.

This is a coup through and through... By the same powerful forces that disrupted Iraq, and Libya.

Nope, and nope.

Please at least try to look up the definitions of the words that you use. And it is not Trump's own Justice

Oh my God.

Seriously. The Justice Department who made claims they were receiving training on how to rebel against the president, who would push back... The same agency who toppled Iran and Libya, is doing what they do best... Cause problems.

And it's always the establishment elites, like Biden and Mueller, and formerly McCain, showing their faces during these times.

It's plain as day.

No, that is a claim that you have not substantiated. Seriously dude, you do not know how to use a face palm. You keep making face palmingly foolish claims. For example "Trump's own Justice Department".

You based that claim on a source that did not fully quote a second hand source. You really should have gone to the original.

 

[Cooky]

No, you have it backwards. In fact you demonstrated a 'UGE error (oops Trump seep). It is not Trump's Justice Department. It is the Justice Department and though he may nominally be its leader that does not make him above the law. The workers at the Justice Department have reacted to Trump's breaking of the law.

His perceived breaking of the law, which might have been breaking the law, but we're not sure if it was breaking the law, because we can't prove there was quid pro quo?

 

[Cooky]

Nope, and nope.

Please at least try to look up the definitions of the words that you use. And it is not Trump's own Justice

No, that is a claim that you have not substantiated. Seriously dude, you do not know how to use a face palm. You keep making face palmingly foolish claims. For example "Trump's own Justice Department".

You based that claim on a source that did not fully quote a second hand source. You really should have gone to the original.

A whole lot of sass, and only a tiny bit of content... Interesting, as if whether or not it's "Trump's" Justice Department or not has any relevance to anything.

 

[Cooky]

I wonder what kind of coup operatives in the Justice Department will try next after this fail.

 

[Subduction Zone]

His perceived breaking of the law, which might have been breaking the law, but we're not sure if it was breaking the law, because we can't prove there was quid pro quo?

It is pretty much beyond being perceived. If one had a video of a person shooting another would you call that perceived? Especially if the person admitted that he did it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

A whole lot of sass, and only a tiny bit of content... Interesting, as if whether or not it's "Trump's" Justice Department or not has any relevance to anything.

Please, you made a foolish claim. Own up to it and we can move on. Part of an honest debate is admitting one's mistakes. You complained about how others treated you. Have you thought that perhaps you earned that treatment?

 

[Jollybear]

LOL, don't go there. You have no clue as to what an ad hom is yourself. You only take the shallowest approach to the concept and then pretend that you understand it. If you want to discuss an ad hom that is fine with me. You were given the chance to challenge some of my claims, instead you simply made the false claim of ad hom and ran away. You don't seem to realize that when you accuse someone of something you put a burden of proof upon yourself. When you run away that amounts to admitting that you were wrong.

Actually....YES! Id love to discuss ad hominum with you.

First, you tell me what you THINK it means and we shall go from there.

Also you havent answered my question, do you get paid to come on here and say what you do? Serious question.

 

[Cooky]

Please, you made a foolish claim. Own up to it and we can move on. Part of an honest debate is admitting one's mistakes. You complained about how others treated you. Have you thought that perhaps you earned that treatment?

I just figured that it was Trump's Justice Department in the same way the United States is Trump's country... And my country... And your country.

...But I digress.

 

[Ouroboros]

...And people wonder why Trump asks Ukraine for help? Because his own Justice Department is subordinate to the president, and are actively working on ousting him from his position -which is unprecedented! And possibly illegal.

This is a coup through and through... By the same powerful forces that disrupted Iraq, and Libya.

The DoJ is headed by William Barr... wasn't he appointed by Trump not long ago?

 

[Cooky]

What's more important though, is how the Justice Department spelled out in 2017, how they were attending workshops on how to effectively engage in "civil disobedience", as well as wanting to "whistleblow", "leak to the press", and "undermine Trump's agenda".

This is the same agency that came up with faulty intelligence on Iraq, and went elbow deep in Libya. They seem to specialize in regime change, and so now they've come to oust president Trump.

...There is no Military Industrial Complex threat..! But there does seem to be an Authoritarian Justice Department threat.

 

[Ouroboros]

What's more important though, is how the Justice Department spelled out in 2017, how they were attending workshops on how to effectively engage in "civil disobedience", as well as wanting to "whistleblow", "leak to the press", and "undermine Trump's agenda".

This is the same agency that came up with faulty intelligence on Iraq, and went elbow deep in Libya. They seem to specialize in regime change, and so now they've come to oust president Trump.

...There is no Military Industrial Complex threat..! But there does seem to be an Authoritarian Justice Department threat.

So basically Trump is completely useless in picking the right people for the positions under him.

Donald Trump nominated William Barr for Attorney General to succeed Jeff Sessions in December 7, 2018. William Barr is the head for the Department of Justice.

Makes Trump a crap employer since he constantly fails of hiring sycophants.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually....YES! Id love to discuss ad hominum with you.

First, you tell me what you THINK it means and we shall go from there.

Also you havent answered my question, do you get paid to come on here and say what you do? Serious question.

Yes, there is a massive conspiracy to keep people aware. They pay me hundreds of dollars per post where I refute nonsense.

Now as to what an ad hominem is we must first look at what you really mean. You mean to say "ad hominem fallacy". The facts are that people are as I have described them. But that still may give you an out. An ad hominem fallacy is when one uses an attack to try to prove someone wrong, but I have not done that. I have merely used the fact that a person is an idiot means that he is not a reliable source. I never said that he was right or wrong, simply that one could not reasonably rely on such a person as an authority. In fact what I was pointing out correctly was that you made the error of appealing to false authority. O'Reilly is not an authority on the topic that you tried to use him for. But rather than explaining that it is simpler to point out that the man is an idiot.

 

[Cooky]

The DoJ is headed by William Barr... wasn't he appointed by Trump not long ago?

Yes, he's the recent head of the department. But there has been shown to be a movement in the department of long-time employees who are left-wing political activists.

 

[Cooky]

So basically Trump is completely useless in picking the right people for the positions under him.

No, these people are leftovers from previous administrations. They're politically charged activists who have openly admitted to attending workshops on how to effectively engage in civil disobedience, and expressed their desire to actively go against Trump's agenda.

...I wonder if the Whistleblower took part in these workshops.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I just figured that it was Trump's Justice Department in the same way the United States is Trump's country... And my country... And your country.

...But I digress.

No, the use of a possessive in such a case is prejudicial and wrong. There is nothing wrong with the Judicial Department making sure that the President stays on the straight and narrow. You implied that it was Trump's. You went far past what you try to claim in this post.

 

[Ouroboros]

No, these people are leftovers from previous administrations. They're politically charged activists who have openly admitted to attending workshops on how to effectively engage in civil disobedience.

So those single activists makes the whole department going after Trump. Shows how little influence, power, and management skills Barr has. Meaning, Trump hired an inept boss for DoJ. Again, it shows Trump's inability to be a leader.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, these people are leftovers from previous administrations. They're politically charged activists who have openly admitted to attending workshops on how to effectively engage in civil disobedience, and expressed their desire to actively go against Trump's agenda.

...I wonder if the Whistleblower took part in these workshops.

Where do you get that from? Are you misinterpreting your questionable source again?