Cooky
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It is Trump's Justice Department though. Trump is an American.
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Donald Trump is digging his own grave
- Thread starter Prometheus85
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It is Trump's Justice Department though. Trump is an American.
Cooky
Veteran Member
I was only expressing the Department the Whistleblower is from, and significance of the reports from 2017, that explained the radical left wing activism in that department that was noted by the public media.
Prometheus85
Active Member
Do you have any evidence for that claim?
Cooky
Veteran Member
No, I remember reading about that a few years ago.
Cooky
Veteran Member
It will be old news, as I remember it from 2017, but I'm sure I could. Do I need to? I mean, you guys were pretty hasty the other day when others and myself were asking for sources.
Prometheus85
Active Member
Please provide evidence that the justice department is full of left wing activists
Prometheus85
Active Member
@Jollybear so trump didn’t care about about Biden corruption because he didn’t trust the former Ukraine president? If that’s the case why did trump give that former president 200 million in military aid?
Prometheus85
Active Member
You’re right! It is trumps justice department and the more facts that come out the more stunningly corrupt it looks for DOJ to have declined a criminal investigation based on the Ukraine call.
Cooky
Veteran Member
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/05/30/fbi-texts-evidence-treason-coup/?outputType=amp
An Anti-Trump Resistance Movement Is Growing Within the U.S. Government
...Don't forget Comey and McCabe.
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Jollybear
Hey
Is that a joke or are you serious? Be official here. Do you get paid to be on here and post what you do?
You have not done that? Really? How have you not done that?
So calling someone an idiot BEFORE you refute or address the POINT that person made, THAT to you is NOT an ad hominum? Do i understand that correctly?
There an idiot simply because there unreliable and there unreliable because there human and humans have flaws, do i understand that part correctly too? And because they have flaws, this prevents them from making a solid point on a subject?
Ok, you never said he was right or wrong, well, why not say what one you think he is and WHY you think the point he made is wrong?
This word authority does not apply because thats not how im using him. Im using him to astablish a simple point. That point was that trump believed obama, hillery and BIDEN wer corrupt BEFORE biden ran for presidency. Thats the ONLY reason i used him for. I used him for NO OTHER POINT, BUT that.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Is this what you were looking for in the other thread?
"Other thing of value" (dirt on an opponent), "Solicit" (asking for), meaning, Trump soliciting, asking for, something of value, like dirt on an opponent, from a foreign nation, that affects the election, is unlawful.
52 USC 30121: Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
From Title 52-VOTING AND ELECTIONS
Subtitle III-Federal Campaign Finance
CHAPTER 301-FEDERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGNS
SUBCHAPTER I-DISCLOSURE OF FEDERAL CAMPAIGN FUNDS
You want debate? Here it is, then. Alexander Hamilton, one of the Framers, nailed it when he said, regarding high cremes, "the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils" was one of the Framers' greatest fears, and loomed large in how the went about writing the Constitution. And Donald J. Trump swore an oath to "defend the Constitution," because the Framers knew full well that it could not protect itself.
Trump many claim that he is "only interested in corruption," but his actions speak volumes -- by his actions he is clear that he only cares about corruption when it might involve the name "Biden." And that name, Biden, is, by every poll so far, his chief rival in the next election to retain his position. Therefore, his request to the Ukrainian President (and now to China) is one aimed directly at doing damage to his chief rival, which is entirely about securing Trump's own re-election. And that is clearly in his own, personal interest, not that of the nation.
Seven Democrats, from swing districts, and therefore at very great danger to themselves, wrote in a powerful op-ed in the Washington Post, "These allegations are a threat to all we have sworn to protect." They, therefore, unlike Trump, are putting the Constitution, and therefore the nation's interests, ahead of their own.
Like I said, the Constitution can't protect itself. Only those sworn to that duty can do that. And if they are derelict in that duty, like Trump is certainly, then they should pay the price.
Prometheus85
Active Member
The first article details a claim made by Liz Cheney and in that same article it called that claim false.
The second says nothing about the justice department being taking over by left wing activists. Instead it says, . There’s nothing unusual about the entire national security bureaucracy of the United States feeling like their commander in chief is a threat to U.S. national security. That happens all the time. It’s totally usual. Nothing to worry about.”
Jollybear
Hey
Why? First of all, i dont know if he gave 200 million to the former president of ukraine. Before i can answere your question i first need to know how you know he gave 200 million to the former president?
Jollybear
Hey
Ok, so, im still not seeing how trump in a lucid way broke the constitution? Where is it? Spell it out, short, simple, blattently obvious and to the point? What law in the constitution did he break and how did he break it because im not seeing it?
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
The emoluments clause in US Constitution, Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 8, prohibits federal officeholder from receiving any gift, payment, or other thing of value from foreign state, rulers, officers, or representatives. A gift or thing of "value" could be interpreted in many different ways, like "getting rid of the opposition in an election" for instance.
That, in short, is why there is now an ongoing "impeachment inquiry" in the House -- not an actual impeachment proceeding, yet. It is the job of the House to determine whether his actions fall under the "high crimes and misdemeanors" clause. T
he tragedy is that Trump supporters, including you, are arguing that there should not even be an inquiry, even in the face of what looks like serious evidence. In other words, you would prefer that the House not do its sworn duty if it means disparaging your hero in any way at all. You just don't even want the evidence looked into. And that's sad.
Jollybear
Hey
Ok. The same article tells why he released those funds.
"The Trump administration decided that Ukraine's passage of a new national security law, signed by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on July 5, met the requirements enshrined in the US legislation, thereby allowing the Pentagon to release the funds."
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
So you have nothing.