Donald Trump is digging his own grave

[Jollybear]

lol So instead of admitting you made a false statement about trump not trusting the former president you double down on your wrongness.

Trumps speach to the present president of ukraine was about there mutual goal in combating corruption. Trump achnoghledged that the ukraine president was elected to fight former corruption. Trump thus achnoghledged former corruption.

 

[Prometheus85]

What do we need the whistle blower for when we got the transcript itself? And the transcript shows no wrong doing and the ukraine president admits no pressure was put on him. And the fact polosi wanted to get trump on something she never even read yet, shows evidence of a plot.



So, its a crime to have foreign relations with other countries. Dam, EVERYTHING is a crime to the left. You cant breath without being a criminal to these people.



Ok, by that standard, shouldnt biden also be investigated to?

What do we need the whistle blower for when we got the transcript itself? And the transcript shows no wrong doing and the ukraine president admits no pressure was put on him. And the fact polosi wanted to get trump on something she never even read yet, shows evidence of a plot.



So, its a crime to have foreign relations with other countries. Dam, EVERYTHING is a crime to the left. You cant breath without being a criminal to these people.



Ok, by that standard, shouldnt biden also be investigated to?

Investigate the Bidens for what?

 

[Ouroboros]

But the ukraine country is its own country. They have sovereign power over what goes on. So, trump cant just investigate there, he must ask the ukraine president.

Whether ukraine investigates or alows usa to investigate, either way we get the information. What difference does it make?

Yea, that may be, but, is that his MOTIVE? You may say yes, but trump says no. Trump says the motive is about corruption. And it also is of great value to the american people that this information be got about biden.

To solicit is in itself part of the unlawful act. To solicit, is to ask for. To ask for a favor that would benefit him is to solicit.

Then, trump can get the independent agency to investigate biden. What about that?

Absolutely. Of course, but he didn't consult Barr, if I understand it right, if he had and got the DoJ work on the investigation it might not have been such an issue. I'm not sure what the policy or regulation is on that, but he can't as a president directly ask a foreign country to investigate when the outcome is clearly to his benefit.

What would happen if the secret service in Ukraine now asks for papers from FBI for their investigation and claim that POTUS have given them the right to get secret material? Should FBI obey POTUS and give them secret documents because Ukraine now works for the president?

 

[Prometheus85]

Trumps speach to the present president of ukraine was about there mutual goal in combating corruption. Trump achnoghledged that the ukraine president was elected to fight former corruption. Trump thus achnoghledged former corruption.

Remember you said trump didn’t trust the former president, indicating The former president was corrupt? Trump gave the former administration 200 million dollars in military aid. And corruption was indeed present in Ukraine under the former president but trump didn’t seem to care. He only cared about corruption when Biden became the Democratic front runner.

So do u have any evidence to suggest trump didn’t trust the former president due to corruption?

 

[Salvador]

Does anyone of any note besides Shokin support his claims? Quite often corrupt and inept people accuse others of their crimes. If you can only find claims of Shokin where he attacks those that fired him then you have no case at all.

Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases

Documents from the American legal team that defended Burisma against legal prosecution do indicate that U.S. officials may have disseminated misinformation about Shokin in order to stave off legal troubles for Burisma and thwart Ukrainian prosecutors’ plans to interview Hunter Biden’s during early spring of 2016.

Ukraine PGO Memo Translation



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[Jollybear]

Remember you said trump didn’t trust the former president, indicating The former president was corrupt? Trump gave the former administration 200 million dollars in military aid. And corruption was indeed present in Ukraine under the former president but trump didn’t seem to care. He only cared about corruption when Biden became the Democratic front runner.

So do u have any evidence to suggest trump didn’t trust the former president due to corruption?

Yes, no one trusts corruption. Aspeasally when you achnoghledge that it is corruption going on.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What do we need the whistle blower for when we got the transcript itself? And the transcript shows no wrong doing and the ukraine president admits no pressure was put on him. And the fact polosi wanted to get trump on something she never even read yet, shows evidence of a plot.



So, its a crime to have foreign relations with other countries. Dam, EVERYTHING is a crime to the left. You cant breath without being a criminal to these people.



Ok, by that standard, shouldnt biden also be investigated to?

I've given you facts, and you have -- as anticipated -- replied as a true believer.

The crime is to ask a foreign power to interfere in an American election. This was a ploy, including pressures, to get a foreign government (Ukraine) to investigate the chief rival to the American President in an election. The money voted by Congress for the Ukraine was held up, and help up again, until just hours after that phone conversation. I've provided you with bunches of facts now, and you are still doing apologetics.

Heck, if Trump shot your mother between the eyes, you would still never give up on your worship of him.

But yes, if there is any evidence that Biden has acted in a corrupt fashion, that should definitely be investigated. So -- what evidence is there? (And while you're at it, be sure that whatever it is hasn't already been investigated and cleared.)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Documents from the American legal team that defended Burisma against legal prosecution do indicate that U.S. officials may have disseminated misinformation about Shokin in order to stave off legal troubles for Burisma and thwart Ukrainian prosecutors’ plans to interview Hunter Biden’s during early spring of 2016.

Ukraine PGO Memo Translation



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How do you vet that source?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Yea, that may be, but, is that his MOTIVE? You may say yes, but trump says no. Trump says the motive is about corruption. And it also is of great value to the american people that this information be got about biden.

What about that?

Yes, that's been said before: "Trump's motive is about corruption." Oh, how noble of him! But when he himself was asked if he has ever wondered about any corruption, anywhere in the world, that didn't involve his own political opponent Joe Biden, he couldn't answer. Know why? Because he hasn't.

Trump isn't concerned about corruption, he's concerned about Joe Biden. I'm sorry for you, that you don't seem to be able to see it for what it is.

(I could suggest to you that you listen to news that isn't already guaranteed to support what you want to believe, but since hardly anybody does that anymore, I'm sure I'd be wasting my time. But the truth is, being well-informed means looking at everything.)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Basically bill is a flawed human and therefore that makes him a poor source and because hes a poor source, hes an idiot and being an idiot makes him a poor source.

So, heres what you have astablished. A flawed human CANNOT make a solid point on a subject. Secondly, a flawed human is a poor source and that poor source makes them an idiot and there idiocy makes them a poor source.

Ya, your a lunatic.



Your a documented lier to. Its documented on these forums.



Did bidens son have any experience in the gas field?

Also why did biden lie when he said he never spoke to his son about his job in the gas company in ukraine? His son contradicted that saying his dad did talk to him about it.

I was very clear on how O'Reilly lost all credibility, and you call me a lunatic.

You really need to learn how to find reliable sources. When you rely on loons, liars, and losers you only make your case look weak.

 

[Jollybear]

I've given you facts, and you have -- as anticipated -- replied as a true believer.

And ive given facts too and weve been discussing these facts and now by telling me ive "replied as a true believer" is absolutely meaningless gobediegook.

The crime is to ask a foreign power to interfere in an American election.

That was not DIRECTLY asked and to prove it was indirectly done you must prove intent.

This was a ploy, including pressures, to get a foreign government (Ukraine) to investigate the chief rival to the American President in an election.

The ukraine president said there was no pressure put on him from trump. That is a fact. Are you saying the ukraine president lied about no push or pressure on him?

The money voted by Congress for the Ukraine was held up, and help up again, until just hours after that phone conversation. I've provided you with bunches of facts now, and you are still doing apologetics.

Listen to me, wer both discussing these facts. Wer both doing apologetics whether you realize it or not. Saying that is meaningless to the discussion. Trump also said why he held up the money, to pressure other countries to give aid. He also mentioned that to the ukraine president to, that he wanted other countries to help them.

Heck, if Trump shot your mother between the eyes, you would still never give up on your worship of him.

More stupid, gobidigook.

But yes, if there is any evidence that Biden has acted in a corrupt fashion, that should definitely be investigated. So -- what evidence is there? (And while you're at it, be sure that whatever it is hasn't already been investigated and cleared.)

Glad you achnoghledge he should be looked into.

And any clearing, we should be careful there was no cover up.

 

[Ouroboros]

How do you vet that source?

And how can we trust Ukraine in their investigation of us? There's no oversight. No requirement they share with us except for what they choose. How do we know they're not corrupt or playing some game on us? Basically, we're supposed to trust them more than Americans. Very unpatriotic in my view.

 

[Jollybear]

I was very clear on how O'Reilly lost all credibility, and you call me a lunatic.

You really need to learn how to find reliable sources. When you rely on loons, liars, and losers you only make your case look weak.

Basically to you, a flawed human makes them incapable of making a solid point and makes them a unreliable idiot.

Gotcha. That DOES make you a lunatic.

 

[Salvador]

How do you vet that source?

A Senate investigation committee should interview Karen Tramontano, Sally Painter, and John Buretta who as representatives of BlueStar Strategies company allegedly acknowledged there had been the dissemination of misinformation about the Ukrainian General Prosecutors office.

 

[Ouroboros]

One more point, the Ukraine president is Social Liberal. How does that conform to Trump's nationalism and protectionism?

 

[Prometheus85]

Yes, no one trusts corruption. Aspeasally when you achnoghledge that it is corruption going on.

Huh? You said trump didn’t trust the former president, but yet he gave him 200 million in military aid.

 

[Salvador]

One more point, the Ukraine president is Social Liberal. How does that conform to Trump's nationalism and protectionism?

I've posted pics of three American legal representatives of Burisma's holdings who allegedly indicated that U.S. officials had indeed disseminated misinformation about the Ukrainian Prosecutor General during early spring of 2016; these three persons should be interviewed by a U.S. senate committee panel who could then determine if they corroborate with Shokin's claim U.S. officials disseminated misinformation about the Ukrainian Prosecutor General's Office in order to avoid Hunter Biden from being interviewed about how he obtained a high paying lucrative job at a Ukrainian energy production company when Hunter Biden had zero work experience in the energy production field.

 

[Ouroboros]

I've posted pics of three American legal representatives of Burisma's holdings during early spring of 2016; these three persons should be interviewed by a U.S. senate committee panel who could then determine if they corroborate with Shokin's claim U.S. officials disseminated misinformation about the Ukrainian Prosecutor General's Office in order to avoid Hunter Biden from being interviewed about how he obtained a high paying lucrative job at a Ukrainian energy production company when Hunter Biden had zero work experience in the energy production field.

And how does that related to my post?

 

[Salvador]

And how does that related to my post?

My bad...I had meant this reply to post #333.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Basically to you, a flawed human makes them incapable of making a solid point and makes them a unreliable idiot.

Gotcha. That DOES make you a lunatic.

That is not what I said or implied. O'Reilly could try to regain his credibility. He has not even tried. Until he does so he is a worthless source. But you are right on one point. O'Reilly proved himself to be an idiot. And name calling is against the rules here. Plus you are in a very very poor situation to be using that term for others.