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Donald Trump was the greatest president.

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
The viable alternative system is that we strive for collective morality. I think it’s possible for humans to one day be moral enough in which an anarchist society could be sustained. So the question is how do we get here! As a Christian, I’m biased and think society needs to turn to Jesus for this to happen.
Also, individualism is the viable solution we can take in our modern times. Proper anarchists (not me) can sustain themselves. Have their own land, water supply, food growing, stuff like that.
Didn't you say you were in favor of a theocracy the last time we talked?
That's a far cry from "proper" anarchy, which always had a strongly anticlerical bent; and in my experience, few anarchists outside the US Libertarian bubble are actually atomic individualists like Thoreau or Stirner (and there's no saying that living alone in the wilderness is an actual viable way of life if you're not, like Thoreau, a well-to-do bourgie who can go back to his "civilized" life at a moment's notice)
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Imagine what an unbridled Trump would be like if he won in 2024 and didn't have to worry about getting reelected.

Presidents usually hold back on anything that could affect their winning a second term, can you imagine what a 2nd Trump term would be? Purely revenge, he would be planning his strategy for the world stage with him on top.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Imagine what an unbridled Trump would be like if he won in 2024 and didn't have to worry about getting reelected.

On a positive note Trump may have some competition from Nicki Haley. She resigned from the Trump administration early on and is popular.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Imagine what an unbridled Trump would be like if he won in 2024 and didn't have to worry about getting reelected.

And if he picks Marjorie Taylor Green as his running mate, no one in Congress would even whisper the word "impeachment."
 

an anarchist

Your local loco.
Didn't you say you were in favor of a theocracy the last time we talked?
You are right! A theocracy would be ideal I think. From my Christian perspective, a society / government that is under the direct rule of God would be ideal. My thinking is convoluted I suppose. In a true theocracy, there are no human rulers, rather, God is directly ruling. In absence of this direct rule from Him, anarchy is ideal, I think. I know “No Gods no masters” is a typical anarchist slogan, but I disagree with it, I’d say “No human masters”.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Well, I’m glad someone enjoyed the ride. I assume you love rollercoasters and horror movies because thats what it felt like for the rest of us. :D
From inside the US it may have been a horror movie. From my side of the pond it was more like a comedy.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
You are right! A theocracy would be ideal I think. From my Christian perspective, a society / government that is under the direct rule of God would be ideal. My thinking is convoluted I suppose. In a true theocracy, there are no human rulers, rather, God is directly ruling. In absence of this direct rule from Him, anarchy is ideal, I think. I know “No Gods no masters” is a typical anarchist slogan, but I disagree with it, I’d say “No human masters”.
As you describe it, a theocracy would be indistinguishable from Anarchy as the gods are usually very lazy when it comes to ruling. When was the last time one even showed up?
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
...in my experience, few anarchists outside the US Libertarian bubble are actually atomic individualists like Thoreau or Stirner (and there's no saying that living alone in the wilderness is an actual viable way of life if you're not, like Thoreau, a well-to-do bourgie who can go back to his "civilized" life at a moment's notice)

In my experience, including Libertarians, professing a desire for a lifestyle of individual survival comes with access to really expensive technology they bought on Amazon.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
There is a lot of thought put into anarcho-capitalist theory which hypothesizes on how exactly society would work in absence of a state. Most people don’t think anarchocapitalism is valid which is why they aren’t ancaps. It isn’t a lawless society, the free market is the governing force. I don’t think such a system is possible unless humans are generally moral, so perhaps we’ll always be under a state!

Since Trump worked to expand the wealth gap I am guessing you're okay with folks who yell "Ready Set Go!" in a race before the other contestants are at the starting line?
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
You are right! A theocracy would be ideal I think. From my Christian perspective, a society / government that is under the direct rule of God would be ideal. My thinking is convoluted I suppose. In a true theocracy, there are no human rulers, rather, God is directly ruling. In absence of this direct rule from Him, anarchy is ideal, I think. I know “No Gods no masters” is a typical anarchist slogan, but I disagree with it, I’d say “No human masters”.
You do realize that God has never talked equally to everyone, but rather to select individuals who were specifically Chosen for the task, do you? So any theocracy would likely culminate in a rule of "God's Chosen", i.e. an elite oligarchy with religious trappings.
 

Stonetree

Abducted Member
Premium Member
Criticizing the American Prez is a time honored privilege. It doesn't mean Americans are anarchist; we are free to say as we please as long as it doesn't harm someone physically. Donald Trump is responsible for the very late start to the fight against covid here in the USA. Trump is a sales man and doesn't care whatsoever what happens to his country men. Trump has many supporters. Trumpster made a great deal of money for some. If that is your kind of leader good luck ! IMO
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
There is a lot of thought put into anarcho-capitalist theory which hypothesizes on how exactly society would work in absence of a state. Most people don’t think anarchocapitalism is valid which is why they aren’t ancaps. It isn’t a lawless society, the free market is the governing force. I don’t think such a system is possible unless humans are generally moral, so perhaps we’ll always be under a state!
So, since you don't think anarcho-capitalism is possible unless humans are "generally moral," then I'm sure your knowledge of human nature tells you that it is and will remain impossible. It is a very odd thing to be a promoter of what you suppose impossible, isn't it?

You see, the problem with humans is that we are a social animal with the intelligence to default on the "social rules" when our own individual needs are not being met. We are capable, unlike ants or bees, of defaulting. And thus, if the "free market is the governing force," as you say, then it must remain a lawless society -- because in the absence of any other law, if I happen to need money to pay for my medical care, there would be nothing wrong with me kidnapping your children and selling them into slavery. As long as there's a market for young slaves, what's to stop me?
 
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