Don't Fear the Reaper

[allfoak]

Yeah. How could the vision of your mother appear (if not in your imagination)?

I do not deny that it happens in the mind.

 

[allfoak]

There are far too many problems for that to be considered a worthwhile experiment.

There is no random sampling (RS). Which is expect in a medical study, but nonetheless still a problem. Medical studies generally are not able to do RS, but that does not excuse them from it. Whenever you don't have RS you have to be more skeptical of your results. To clarify RS is what allows you to make general inferences to the larger population. It helps balance and account for confounding variables, which is something we can't do with humans in a controlled environment.

They can't really control the RS but they could have control random assignment (RA) of the VAs, but they didn't. That is clearly ignoring basic principles and what we call data snooping. Further more all the VAs should have been the same image, because they are different images you can not account for varying confounding variables that could be associated with different images.

With no random sampling & no random assignment the study becomes extremely limited. This really makes statistical inferences invalid. Any statistical inference or hypothesis done without RS and/or RA is closer to speculation than a statistical analysis.


Further more Greyson NDE scale is full of many leading questions which could skew results. On top of that human memory has been demonstrated to be very receptive to influence during such questioning and unreliable.

It is a good thing i do not rely on such things.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

It is a good thing i do not rely on such things.

It is a good thing. Science was never meant to do your thinking for you, even though some people treat it that way.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Is it possible to know what happens when we die?
If so, how do you know?

What does science have to say about it?

Decomposition. The person you are is utterly annihilated, upon death, as well.
How do I know this? It can be observed.

Science says a lot about death, but nothing about a mystical afterlife or magical personality preservation.
Nothing that's accepted through consensus, anyways.

 

[Deidre]

I've been thinking about death lately, and it might feel like someday. I think what scares people mainly about death is the how and when of it, not necessarily death itself. That's my opinion, anyways.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

As a near Death experienced, i can attest to
an awareness of self after being confirmed Dead ...
Brain Dead for 4 days in my case, body kept alive in the hope i would be a transplant donor .

 

[Cephus]

You die, you're dead, there is nothing else. People need to get the hell over themselves.

 

[David T]

"Death is a depressingly inevitable consequence of life"


I thought life was a depressingly inevitable consequence of death!! I feel way better now!!!

 

[arthra]

There are many different ideas in religion on the subject.
What are yours?

The article sourced in the introductory remarks regarding the Baha'i view of life after death is accurate.

See:

Bahá'í Faith on life after death - Wikipedia

I would only add here a few remarks... Baha'is don't believe the soul "incarnates" in the body... Consider the definition of "incarnate".. "embodied in flesh; in human form".

The soul in our belief is from the spiritual world and becomes "associated" with the body.

When the body is decomposed or no longer functioning the soul returns to the spiritual world in a higher place or more exalted level than it had when it was associated with the body. The soul "ascends" to the spiritual worlds and progresses eventually to the highest state we call being in the presence of God.

Closing with a few references:

The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother."

Before a child is born, its whole world is the womb of its mother. It has no idea of the world waiting outside into which it will be born. It is the same with this, material, world. The next, spiritual, world surrounds us but we are unable to understand this until the spirit leaves this world and is born into the next.

"Know thou of a truth that the soul, after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure. It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving-kindness and bounty."

Also:

As to the soul', writes Bahá'u'lláh, `... it is sent forth by the Word of God';[42] and `Abdu'l-Bahá says that the soul is `a spirit with which God has endowed him [man] at creation';[43] it is `... a depository, emanating from the light of the Ancient Entity -- God',[44] `It is a divine bounty. It is the effulgence of the Sun of Reality',[45] suggesting that the soul is a spiritual entity created by God through emanation.

The Eternal Quest for God: Chapter 8

 

[psychoslice]

For me when your dead that's it, its over, you will never be again, its like when a light bulb blows, its finished, the electricity that lite the bulb is still there, it goes nowhere.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

We all witness these things, but I think they are so disconnected from our everyday 'rational' life that we discard them as having no practical use, we talk ourselves into believing they were illusions- it's a far simpler, easier way to deal with them

This is the crux of the issue, however. Even if these "things" are real - are the supernatural reaching out - what "practical use" does it have? The clocks all stopping at once... what purpose did it serve? To make for a good story? Is the ultimate practicality of investigations into these things an attempt to communicate with those who have passed? And at that point are we not tampering with something that has been ordained by fate to be a certain way for eons passed? Much like one might argue that we should not tamper with genetics. How would this be any different? Proof of the afterlife? Again - what practical purpose does this knowledge serve? Comfort? For some I'd wager it would pose danger. Killing yourself would no longer come with an unknown component - people might start offing themselves in droves to get to "the next level". Don't get me wrong - I do not believe in the supernatural., and so I certainly do not see the point in pursuing it. But I wonder at those who do - because I don't believe they have thought it through to a full extent.

 

[allfoak]

This is the crux of the issue, however. Even if these "things" are real - are the supernatural reaching out - what "practical use" does it have? The clocks all stopping at once... what purpose did it serve? To make for a good story? Is the ultimate practicality of investigations into these things an attempt to communicate with those who have passed? And at that point are we not tampering with something that has been ordained by fate to be a certain way for eons passed? Much like one might argue that we should not tamper with genetics. How would this be any different? Proof of the afterlife? Again - what practical purpose does this knowledge serve? Comfort? For some I'd wager it would pose danger. Killing yourself would no longer come with an unknown component - people might start offing themselves in droves to get to "the next level". Don't get me wrong - I do not believe in the supernatural., and so I certainly do not see the point in pursuing it. But I wonder at those who do - because I don't believe they have thought it through to a full extent.

I have not only thought it through but have also broken through.
There would be no investigation into understanding these things for most, apart from having these experiences.
They serve as a catalyst.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I have not only thought it through but have also broken through.
There would be no investigation into understanding these things for most, apart from having these experiences.
They serve as a catalyst.

And what practical use does this serve? A "catalyst"? Of what? Understanding? Understanding what? Can you apply the knowledge to your daily life? If so, what do you feel you have gained?

 

[whirlingmerc]

Is it possible to know what happens when we die?
If so, how do you know?

What does science have to say about it?


There are many different ideas in religion on the subject.
What are yours?
Contents
[1The afterlife in different metaphysical models

• 1.1Reincarnation
• 1.2Heaven and Hell
• 1.3Limbo
• 1.4Purgatory

• 2Traditional African religions

• 3Ancient religions
  • 3.1Ancient Egyptian religion
  • 3.2Ancient Greek and Roman religions
  • 3.3Norse religion

• 4Abrahamic religions
  • 4.1Judaism
  • 4.2Christianity
  • 4.3Islam
  • 4.4Bahá'í Faith

• 5Indian religions
  • 5.1Hinduism
  • 5.2Buddhism
  • 5.3Sikhism

• 6Neopaganism
  • 6.1Wicca

• 7Others
  • 7.1Shinto
  • 7.2Unitarian Universalism
  • 7.3Spiritualism
  • 7.4Zoroastrianism

• 8Parapsychology

• 9Philosophy
  • 9.1Modern philosophy
  • 9.2Process philosophy

• 10Science

• 11Popular culture
  • 11.1Film

• 12See also

• 13References
  • 13.1Notes

• 14Further reading

• 15External links

It is appointed unto man to die once and then comes judgement Hebrews 9:27

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Is it possible to know what happens when we die?
If so, how do you know?

What does science have to say about it?


There are many different ideas in religion on the subject.
What are yours?
Contents
[1The afterlife in different metaphysical models

• 1.1Reincarnation
• 1.2Heaven and Hell
• 1.3Limbo
• 1.4Purgatory

• 2Traditional African religions

• 3Ancient religions
  • 3.1Ancient Egyptian religion
  • 3.2Ancient Greek and Roman religions
  • 3.3Norse religion

• 4Abrahamic religions
  • 4.1Judaism
  • 4.2Christianity
  • 4.3Islam
  • 4.4Bahá'í Faith

• 5Indian religions
  • 5.1Hinduism
  • 5.2Buddhism
  • 5.3Sikhism

• 6Neopaganism
  • 6.1Wicca

• 7Others
  • 7.1Shinto
  • 7.2Unitarian Universalism
  • 7.3Spiritualism
  • 7.4Zoroastrianism

• 8Parapsychology

• 9Philosophy
  • 9.1Modern philosophy
  • 9.2Process philosophy

• 10Science

• 11Popular culture
  • 11.1Film

• 12See also

• 13References
  • 13.1Notes

• 14Further reading

• 15External links

Science has a lot to say about what happens when we die-how we think, what our bodies go through, and so forth. Science says nothing about life after death.

Think about it logically and simplify it.

Why do you think you will be alive tomorrow?
What brought you to the conclusions you will be alive tomorrow?
Are those conclusions based on facts or beliefs?
If facts, do expand...
If beliefs, our beliefs change a dime or dozen. People fear the "possibility" of death; what happens " if " they didn't follow the creator, correctly, how they will be judged " if " they didn't have enough faith.

Science just says "we die. This is what happens when we die. This is how you can cope with dying. This is how our environment reflects your death (and visa versa)." People put the extra on there so they dont fear the reaper.

Fear is a natural reaction. Many religions if not most are there to help with that fear whether saying our origin will live on to future generations, focus on "as if this day was your last" type of thing, or give the believer something to look forward to in the future.

 

[rusra02]

Do you have an explanation for paranormal activities?
Out of body experiences?

My mother came to my front door soon after she died.
Some say i am crazy.
Others accept it as if it is normal.

Satan lied to Eve when he told her; "You certainly will not die." (Genesis 3:4) I believe Satan and other wicked spirits who sinned against God are responsible for these paranormal events. At times, these demons pretend to be dead loved ones, to perpetuate Satan's false claim that we do not really die. I believe that is why Jehovah strongly condemns "anyone who inquires of the dead." (Deuteronomy 18:11)

 

[allfoak]

Satan lied to Eve when he told her; "You certainly will not die." (Genesis 3:4) I believe Satan and other wicked spirits who sinned against God are responsible for these paranormal events. At times, these demons pretend to be dead loved ones, to perpetuate Satan's false claim that we do not really die. I believe that is why Jehovah strongly condemns "anyone who inquires of the dead." (Deuteronomy 18:11)

A literal view of the scripture is not sustainable.
Telling people that visits from their dead relatives are demonic is void of empathy and shows a complete lack of understanding of the scripture.

 

[Cephus]

Science has a lot to say about what happens when we die-how we think, what our bodies go through, and so forth. Science says nothing about life after death.

That's because there is no evidence that there is life after death. It's just made up nonsense.

 

[allfoak]

That's because there is no evidence that there is life after death. It's just made up nonsense.

Saying that science has no evidence of life after death is accurate.
Saying it is made up nonsense is not.

 

[Cephus]

Saying that science has no evidence of life after death is accurate.
Saying it is made up nonsense is not.

Certainly it is. If you have no evidence it exists, how else did you come to that conclusion?