Doritos to launch Gay Pride flag chips

[Norman]

Thanks for the link.
Seems like common sense doesn't it, but obviously not to some.

Norman: Hi Robert, yes it is, I went through this thread, you made some great comments. I personally am not interested in this thread, I boycott Dorito's already, However, I never really ate much of them in the first place. Just wanted to offer a bit of support to you, see you in other threads.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Norman: Hi Robert, I thought this might interest you. Center for Disease Control.
HIV/AIDS

HIV severely affects gay and bisexual men—more than any other group in the United States. Gay and bisexual men make up about 2% of the overall population, but account for approximately two-thirds of all new HIV infections each year. Data included in CDC’s 2013 National HIV Prevention Progress Report show that there was a 12% increase in new infections among gay and bisexual men overall between 2008 and 2010, and a 22% increase among young gay and bisexual men aged 13-24. Gay and bisexual men also account for over half of the 1.1 million people living with HIV in the United States. A 2011 study in 20 U.S. cities found that 18% of gay or bisexual men had HIV. That’s about 1 in 6 men. Of these men, 33% did not know they had HIV. Those who are unaware that they have HIV may infect others without knowing it. Also, those who do not know they are HIV-positive are not able to get HIV treatment that can protect their health and reduce the chance of transmitting HIV to their partners.

Reference:

http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/HIV.htm

The reasons for that are behavioral and cultural. Same for why HIV/AIDS exploded and is still a catastrophe in Western and Southern Africa.

 

[Demonslayer]

Same for why HIV/AIDS exploded and is still a catastrophe in Western and Southern Africa.

Remember that time the Pope told people in Africa that condoms CAUSE AIDS? That was super awesome.

 

[McBell]

The reasons for that are behavioral and cultural. Same for why HIV/AIDS exploded and is still a catastrophe in Western and Southern Africa.

can't be.
I mean, it was presented in support that homosexuality is not natural....

 

[columbus]

Norman: That was another thread that I am done with, get your head into this thread with Dorito's. I have no interest, later dude.

The fact remains that you don't understand US law.
SCOTUS overruled Kentucky.
And you don't understand that.
Tom

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Same for why HIV/AIDS exploded and is still a catastrophe in Western and Southern Africa.

Remember that time the Pope told people in Africa that condoms CAUSE AIDS? That was super awesome.

I'll need a source for that one.

Anyway, what I was saying is that neither homosexuality or heterosexuality itself makes you more likely to get HIV/AIDS or an STD. What makes the difference is behavior. If you practice safer sex practices such as monogamy and, to be honest, don't bother with anal sex since it's the riskiest form of sex in terms of injury and disease transmission (regardless of the genders involved) and do not abuse injection drugs, you are at a very, very low risk of HIV/AIDS. So gays and straight can have quite healthy lives if they make good choices.

 

[McBell]

I'll need a source for that one.

Anyway, what I was saying is that neither homosexuality or heterosexuality itself makes you more likely to get HIV/AIDS or an STD. What makes the difference is behavior. If you practice safer sex practices such as monogamy and, to be honest, don't bother with anal sex since it's the riskiest form of sex in terms of injury and disease transmission (regardless of the genders involved) and do not abuse injection drugs, you are at a very, very low risk of HIV/AIDS. So gays and straight can have quite healthy lives if they make good choices.

I agree.
On both needing a the source for the Pope claim and the count the hits ignore the misses Norman and Robert are engaging in.

 

[Demonslayer]

It's a lot more than just a one time comment, if you count religious figures other than the Pope. I thought everyone was aware of this. Religious figures in many instances have passed on lied about condoms to uneducated Africans, putting millions of lives at risk because...because why? Because God hates condoms? Damn, that's cold hearted stuff if you ask me.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/sep/11/bad-science-pope-anti-condom

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...edict-XVI-condoms-make-Aids-crisis-worse.html

- In March 2009, on his flight to Cameroon (where 540,000 people have HIV), Pope Benedict XVI explained that Aids is a tragedy "that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems"

- Some have been more imaginative in their quest to spread the message against condoms. In 2007, Archbishop Francisco Chimoio of Mozambique announced that European condom manufacturers are deliberately infecting condoms with HIV to spread Aids in Africa. Out of every 8 people in Mozambique, one has HIV.
- It was Cardinal Alfonso López Trujillo of Colombia who most famously claimed that the HIV virus can pass through tiny holes in the rubber of condoms. Again, he was not alone. "The condom is a cork," said Bishop Demetrio Fernandez of Spain, "and not always effective."

- Globally, well over thirty million people have died from HIV/AIDS. The Church's condom ban was largely ignored in industrialised countries, in which public awareness campaigns encouraged condom use. The church's stance against condoms has been blamed for the prevalence of AIDS in Africa.

 

[Demonslayer]

The real question is, how long before we see tornados knocking down Doritos factories?

 

[leibowde84]

Perhaps. But it has been reported that on average, gay's lose twenty years off their life, yet it is only twelve for smoking. So I think it should be pointed out, don't you? It seems irresponsible to not do that.

see above firstly...also, Saying that someone had superstitions when it is backed up with hard fact is just plain wrong

See above again. It does harm. And aids is still most prevelant in gays. It has also spread. They have to be at least part of that reason. And it is certainly not a natural act.

I don't eat meat. I don't think it's right to kill animals...unless you specifically have to in order to live. But I don't and no one in the West does.

As for what I would do, I would allow them a parcel of land where they could live and not be bothered by those who don't agree and vice versa. I certainly don't think we should make out is normal and safe, when it is not

Can you provide a link this report you speak of? I've never heard this statistic.

 

[Demonslayer]

Anyway, what I was saying is that neither homosexuality or heterosexuality itself makes you more likely to get HIV/AIDS or an STD. What makes the difference is behavior. If you practice safer sex practices such as monogamy and, to be honest, don't bother with anal sex since it's the riskiest form of sex in terms of injury and disease transmission (regardless of the genders involved) and do not abuse injection drugs, you are at a very, very low risk of HIV/AIDS. So gays and straight can have quite healthy lives if they make good choices.

This part is mostly true, except for the fact that I believe currently incidents of AIDS are still higher overall in the gay community than in the straight community. So strictly from a percentage standpoint, I think a gay man has a higher chance of selecting a lover with AIDS than a straight man does. Everything is you say of course is 100% true.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It's a lot more than just a one time comment, if you count religious figures other than the Pope. I thought everyone was aware of this. Religious figures in many instances have passed on lied about condoms to uneducated Africans, putting millions of lives at risk because...because why? Because God hates condoms? Damn, that's cold hearted stuff if you ask me.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/sep/11/bad-science-pope-anti-condom

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...edict-XVI-condoms-make-Aids-crisis-worse.html

- In March 2009, on his flight to Cameroon (where 540,000 people have HIV), Pope Benedict XVI explained that Aids is a tragedy "that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems"

- Some have been more imaginative in their quest to spread the message against condoms. In 2007, Archbishop Francisco Chimoio of Mozambique announced that European condom manufacturers are deliberately infecting condoms with HIV to spread Aids in Africa. Out of every 8 people in Mozambique, one has HIV.
- It was Cardinal Alfonso López Trujillo of Colombia who most famously claimed that the HIV virus can pass through tiny holes in the rubber of condoms. Again, he was not alone. "The condom is a cork," said Bishop Demetrio Fernandez of Spain, "and not always effective."

- Globally, well over thirty million people have died from HIV/AIDS. The Church's condom ban was largely ignored in industrialised countries, in which public awareness campaigns encouraged condom use. The church's stance against condoms has been blamed for the prevalence of AIDS in Africa.

From your own sources, you were wrong yet again about something a Pope supposedly said. You claimed that Pope Benedict XVI said that "condoms cause AIDS". Your sources do not say that. He was quoted as saying that condoms aggravate the HIV/AIDS problem. I would guess that his comments were in the context of the view that condoms may make people think that they are "safe" from HIV/AIDS and other STDs and so feel emboldened in their choice to participate in risky sexual behaviors. That's not exactly a controversial statement.

Then you go on and quote from Bishops, with things they have allegedly said. Yeah, Bishops have said dumb things at times. Big surprise.

 

[McBell]

It's a lot more than just a one time comment, if you count religious figures other than the Pope. I thought everyone was aware of this. Religious figures in many instances have passed on lied about condoms to uneducated Africans, putting millions of lives at risk because...because why? Because God hates condoms? Damn, that's cold hearted stuff if you ask me.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/sep/11/bad-science-pope-anti-condom

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...edict-XVI-condoms-make-Aids-crisis-worse.html

- In March 2009, on his flight to Cameroon (where 540,000 people have HIV), Pope Benedict XVI explained that Aids is a tragedy "that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems"

- Some have been more imaginative in their quest to spread the message against condoms. In 2007, Archbishop Francisco Chimoio of Mozambique announced that European condom manufacturers are deliberately infecting condoms with HIV to spread Aids in Africa. Out of every 8 people in Mozambique, one has HIV.
- It was Cardinal Alfonso López Trujillo of Colombia who most famously claimed that the HIV virus can pass through tiny holes in the rubber of condoms. Again, he was not alone. "The condom is a cork," said Bishop Demetrio Fernandez of Spain, "and not always effective."

- Globally, well over thirty million people have died from HIV/AIDS. The Church's condom ban was largely ignored in industrialised countries, in which public awareness campaigns encouraged condom use. The church's stance against condoms has been blamed for the prevalence of AIDS in Africa.

You forgot to present the source where the Pope made the claim that condoms cause AIDS....

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This part is mostly true, except for the fact that I believe currently incidents of AIDS are still higher overall in the gay community than in the straight community. So strictly from a percentage standpoint, I think a gay man has a higher chance of selecting a lover with AIDS than a straight man does. Everything is you say of course is 100% true.

It's because of the promiscuity among gay males coupled with the fact that they have anal sex more than any other group. So they have a double whammy that even hetero black Africans don't (black Africans have an issue with promiscuity, but I don't think anal sex is as popular among them). So if they stop being promiscuous as well as consider other forms of sex other than anal, they'll cut their risk down by a ton.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Can you provide a link this report you speak of? I've never heard this statistic.

He's probably referring to the Paul Cameron studies that were done during the height of the AIDS epidemic in the '80s where he took his stats from the obituaries of gay newspapers in big cities. Cameron is a virulently anti-gay loon who got kicked out of the APA in 1983.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cameron

 

[Wirey]

Gay people eat chips?

 

[Norman]

The fact remains that you don't understand US law.
SCOTUS overruled Kentucky.
And you don't understand that.
Tom

The reasons for that are behavioral and cultural. Same for why HIV/AIDS exploded and is still a catastrophe in Western and Southern Africa.

Norman: The study I posted is just in the United States. I am sure you are correct about behavioral and cultural in both the US and as you stated in Western and Southern Africa. By the way Saint, I am sorry for a post that I sent you in another thread. It was rude and disrespectful.

 

[Norman]

Thanks for the link.
Seems like common sense doesn't it, but obviously not to some.

Norman: Hi Robert, a lot of people in this thread are way off the OP, so I thought I would share just a little back ground of myself from me to you. I was a lawyer for years and am now retired from that. I was a Jew before I Joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day saints. You may know this already that people call us "Mormons" because of the Book of Mormon that we believe is other holy writ that testifies of Jesus Christ. I have a beautiful wife who lost her right leg, six years into our marriage. We have a beautiful daughter who was born with Down's Syndrome, she is ours biologically. We have a very handsome and beautiful Son that we adopted when he was a day old. He was born with fragile-X-Syndrome. bipolar and autistic. I would not change all three for all the gold in the world. My family is the air that I breath. I have respect and will defend all religions and I hope to build bridges of understanding to continue to protect religious freedom and traditional marriage. I hope to have many conversations with you and to work with you on the great RF. This is an awesome forum, best on the web.

 

[Norman]

Thank you for further proving my point.

Norman: And what point might that be?

 

[Norman]

Why you can't look for the information yourself I don't know. Perhaps you are worried you will find it. So I have done the work for you. (it is hand typed but I think without significant mistakes. Feel free to look on the internet yourself for free)

THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXERT FROM A BOOK and is included within {{{ this }}}:


Making Gay Okay:

How Rationalizing Homosexual Behaviour is Changing Everything


By Robert R. Reilley



{{{ "A national survey of 'gay' men, reported by the Advocate (August 23, 1994:20), showed that 41 percent performed anilingus (tongue on or in the anus), 46 percent received it in the prior year, and 46 percent of the men sometimes had sex that they themselves considered risky.


Health Consequences: Morality and Disease


When it is misused, the body understandably becomes confused. For instance, reports journalist Susan Brinkmann, 'there are substances in seminal fluid called ''immuno-regulatory macromolecules" that send out "signals that are only understood by the female body, which will them permit the 'two in one flesh' intimacy requited for human reproduction. When deposited elsewhere, these signals are not only misunderstood, but cause sperm to fuse with whatever somatic body cell they encounter. This fusing is what often results in the development of cancerous manlignancies." (R.J Albin and R. Stein Werblowsky, "Sexual Behaviour and Increased Anal Cancer" Immunology and Cell Biology 75 (1977); 181-83)


.....Cancer is not the only or even the greatest peril to active homosexuals. Anal sex increases the risk of rectal prolapse, perforation that can go septic, clamydia, cryptosporidiosis, giardiasis, genital herpes, genital warts, isosporiasis, microspotidiosis, gonorrhea, viral hepatitis B and C, and syphilis. ("Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer", Washinton Blade, June 2, 2000, cited in Timothy J. Dailey PhD, "The Negative Health Effect of Homosexuality", Family Research Council, accessed July 31, 2013, http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IsoIBI.)


In 2006 homosexual journalist Simon Fanshaw wrote in the Guardian: "Hooked on drugs and sex and looks, we call it gay culture. The figures are staggering: 20 percent of gay men in London use the incredibly damaging crystal meth.....Since 1999, the figures for HIV infections have continued to rise in the UK........Dr. Satinover reports that a presentation on the homosexual life span to the Eastern Psychological Association, April 1993, "found that the gay male lifespan, even apart from AIDS and with a long term partner, is significantly shorter than that of married men in general by more than three decades. AIDS further shortens the lifespan of homosexual men by more than 7 percent. Elsewhere, Dr. Satinover states that "the incidence of AIDS among twenty to thirty-year-old homosexual men is roughly 430 times greater than among the heterosexual population at large." (Satinover, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, 69) The severity of these mortality rates has been reduced with more recent advances in the treatment of AIDS........this is of course, good news....but it remains the case that, as British Dr. David Delvin assets, "anal intercourse carried a higher transmission of risk than almost any other activity." (David Delvin, "Anal Sex.") }}}

Norman: Hi Robert, interesting information, well posted.