Double Minded Atheist

[Willamena]

I see your point. So you are saying what benefit does the gospel have to someone that never had it and is happy and content with the life they are living now.

Well I would have to say Eternal Salvation is the ultimate goal. Lets say you guys are wrong about God, heaven and hell. Wouldn't that be a waste of life here on earth. Even if you were the most successful person on this earth but didn't care about your soul you would lose out on eternal happiness. This is what God says. " If you deny me before men I will deny you before my father". This goes for everyone Christians included.

That makes no sense: atheists could not "lose out" on someone else's belief.

 

[g2perk]

That makes no sense: atheists could not "lose out" on someone else's belief.

Maybe you can answer this for me. If atheist have to have proof before they believe anything then how or why do they believe in LOVE. You cant see love but you know it when you have it. Please explain that to me.

 

[g2perk]

Interesting. I experienced the Holy Spirit but only through Church sacraments. Without the sacraments, I experienced no spirit. I don't know how a spirit described in that way can be grieved unless you are speaking of it as a person?

The holy spirit is a person. He is part of the trinity.

 

[Willamena]

Maybe you can answer this for me. If atheist have to have proof before they believe anything then how or why do they believe in LOVE. You cant see love but you know it when you have it. Please explain that to me.

Atheists only have to have evidence before they believe anything, just like anyone. And like anyone, it has to be sufficient evidence, and each of us is a unique judge of sufficient evidence.

We can see love, in many, many ways.

 

[Willamena]

The holy spirit is more like a person who leads you. He does not act physically to any individual but acts through others around you, in order to achieve any goal. The Holy Spirit can also become grieved by the actions on those he indwells.

He sounds like a social meme.

 

[g2perk]

Atheists only have to have evidence before they believe anything, just like anyone. And like anyone, it has to be sufficient evidence, and each of us is a unique judge of sufficient evidence.

We can see love, in many, many ways.

Being an atheist has to be the easiest thing in the world ,how hard is it to believe in nothing literally nothing your only argument is to say things do not exist.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The holy spirit is a person. He is part of the trinity.

What is the nature of this person to make it a person?

A spirit is a spirit. A human is a human. One is spirit and the other flesh. Once you call it a person, he is no longer pure spirit. He is also flesh. If that is so, there is no Holy Spirit if the spirit is a person. But this goes into the trinity. I don't agree with the trinity; so, that we'd have to agree to disagree.

The pharisees are Roman. The Jews didn't give Jesus to their own people to be crucified. They gave him to the government, the Roman authority, to be crucified.

If the Pharisee where Jews, why would Harold (a Roman not a Jew) you'd call a Jew be hesitant to crucify Jesus but the rest of his people insist on doing so? That's a contradiction to the reason why the Jews wanted Jesus to be crucified. The Roman government-the Pharisee-did not see a need to crucify Jesus. The Jews did. If the Pharisee are Jews, why would some Jews crucify Jesus and the other are hesitant to?

 

[shivsomashekhar]

Maybe you can answer this for me. If atheist have to have proof before they believe anything then how or why do they believe in LOVE. You cant see love but you know it when you have it. Please explain that to me.

So, do you believe in Santa Claus then?

Sounds like you do, as you claim you are willing to believe in things without proof?

 

[McBell]

Being an atheist has to be the easiest thing in the world ,how hard is it to believe in nothing literally nothing your only argument is to say things do not exist.

Your ignorance of atheism and atheists is most impressive.

 

[g2perk]

What is the nature of this person to make it a person?

A spirit is a spirit. A human is a human. One is spirit and the other flesh. Once you call it a person, he is no longer pure spirit. He is also flesh. If that is so, there is no Holy Spirit if the spirit is a person. But this goes into the trinity. I don't agree with the trinity; so, that we'd have to agree to disagree.

The pharisees are Roman. The Jews didn't give Jesus to their own people to be crucified. They gave him to the government, the Roman authority, to be crucified.

If the Pharisee where Jews, why would Harold (a Roman not a Jew) you'd call a Jew be hesitant to crucify Jesus but the rest of his people insist on doing so? That's a contradiction to the reason why the Jews wanted Jesus to be crucified. The Roman government-the Pharisee-did not see a need to crucify Jesus. The Jews did. If the Pharisee are Jews, why would some Jews crucify Jesus and the other are hesitant to?

A Roman could not be a jew, it was against their belief. The Jews were allowed to worship in Rome. Harold did not want to crucify Jesus because he found no fault in him. The Jews pushed the issue.

 

[TruthEnder]

Oh, ffs, this is tiresome and I haven't even posted yet.

Until you get serious about engaging with your targets, I will not be wasting my time trying to explain anything to get a one line reply that dismisses every last bit of it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

A Roman could not be a jew, it was against their belief. The Jews were allowed to worship in Rome. Harold did not want to crucify Jesus because he found no fault in him. The Jews pushed the issue.

The first part the only Roman who was a Jew was I think Paul. He was half Jew. The Romans were never Jewish and didn't follow Jewish laws. They were the "government" authority of Rome. The Jews found fault in Jesus and turned him over to the Roman authority (the government/govenor) to be crucified. You are right, the second part. My correction it was Pontius Pilate rather than Harold who didn't want to crucify Jesus but did anyway from the pressure of the Jews to do so.

Pontius Pilate, Latin Pontius Pilatus (died c. 36 ce) Roman prefect (governor) of Judaea (26–36 ce) under the emperor Tiberius who presided at the trial of Jesus and gave the order for his crucifixion.Jun 1, 2015
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Britanica Encyclopedia

and

42. Jesus Before Pilate: Part I (John 18:28-38)

28 Then they brought Jesus from Caiaphas to the Roman governor’s residence. (Now it was very early morning.) They did not go into the governor’s residence so they would not be ceremonially defiled, but could eat the Passover meal. 29 So Pilate came outside to them and said, “What accusation do you bring against this man?” 30 They replied, “If this man were not a criminal, we would not have handed him over to you.” 31 Pilate told them, “Take him yourselves and pass judgment on him according to your own law!” The Jewish religious leaders replied, “We cannot legally put anyone to death.” 32 This happened to fulfill the word Jesus spoke indicating what kind of death he was going to die. 33 So Pilate went back into the governor’s residence, summoned Jesus, and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” 34 Jesus replied, “Are you saying this on your own initiative, or have others said it to you about me?” 35 Pilate answered, “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own people and your chief priests handed you over to me. What have you done?” 36 Jesus replied, “My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would fight to prevent me being handed over to the Jewish authorities. But now my kingdom is not from here.” 37 Then Pilate said, “So you are a king!” Jesus replied, “You say that I am a king. I have been born and have come into the world for this reason—to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.” 38 Pilate asked, “What is truth?”

The second part, yes, the Jews pushed the issue. The Pontius Pilate gave Jesus to the Jews because he say no fault in his claim or statement.

The only person "on Jesus side" who is Roman is Paul because of Roman citizenship as according to Acts 22:22-23:11.

"The commander went to Paul and asked, “Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?”

“Yes, I am,” he answered.

28 Then the commander said, “I had to pay a lot of money for my citizenship.”​

Does it make a difference, though?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

A Roman could not be a jew, it was against their belief. The Jews were allowed to worship in Rome. Harold did not want to crucify Jesus because he found no fault in him. The Jews pushed the issue.

Also, because of the commander in Acts, a Jew can be Roman by citizenship.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Maybe you can answer this for me. If atheist have to have proof before they believe anything then how or why do they believe in LOVE. You cant see love but you know it when you have it. Please explain that to me.

May I?

Love isn't dependent on God. It's an emotion based on interaction with people we care about and it's also a collection of experiences, sensations, and interconnection with a person, people, and/or with oneself and just life. It's an emotion defined by people. Anyone can experience love. Taking positive characteristics such as love given by god (christian view) from an atheist is denying that atheist his humanity because he or she does not have god.

How is that possible for an atheist to not have love?

If he doesn't have love, what is it called when the atheist have a deep connection with his family or wife or husband?

 

[g2perk]

The first part the only Roman who was a Jew was I think Paul. He was half Jew. The Romans were never Jewish and didn't follow Jewish laws. They were the "government" authority of Rome. The Jews found fault in Jesus and turned him over to the Roman authority (the government/govenor) to be crucified. You are right, the second part. My correction it was Pontius Pilate rather than Harold who didn't want to crucify Jesus but did anyway from the pressure of the Jews to do so.

Pontius Pilate, Latin Pontius Pilatus (died c. 36 ce) Roman prefect (governor) of Judaea (26–36 ce) under the emperor Tiberius who presided at the trial of Jesus and gave the order for his crucifixion.Jun 1, 2015
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Britanica Encyclopedia and

and "Pontius Pilate, Latin Pontius Pilatus (died c. 36 ce) Roman prefect (governor) of Judaea (26–36 ce) under the emperor Tiberius who presided at the trial of Jesus and gave the order for his crucifixion." Britanica Encyclopedia​

42. Jesus Before Pilate: Part I (John 18:28-38)



The second part, yes, the Jews pushed the issue. The Pontius Pilate gave Jesus to the Jews because he say no fault in his claim or statement.

The only person "on Jesus side" who is Roman is Paul because of Roman citizenship as according to Acts 22:22-23:11.

"The commander went to Paul and asked, “Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?”

“Yes, I am,” he answered.

28 Then the commander said, “I had to pay a lot of money for my citizenship.”​

Does it make a difference, though?

What do you mean

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What do you mean

I remember you saying the Pharisee (the Romans) are Jewish. They are not.

You typed: The Jews( Pharisees) focused on the law and traditions while Jesus focused on grace and love among all people. #115
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That's why I commented on the error. Then you said:

A Roman could not be a jew, it was against their belief. The Jews were allowed to worship in Rome. Harold did not want to crucify Jesus because he found no fault in him. The Jews pushed the issue. #130​

I agree with the second one (explanation below) Was that a typo?

According to Britannica encyclopedia, " Pontius Pilate, Latin Pontius Pilatus (died c. 36 ce) Roman-[not Jewish]-prefect (governor) of Judaea (26–36 ce) under the emperor Tiberius who presided at the trial of Jesus and gave the order for his crucifixion.Jun 1, 2015 Britanica Encyclopedia

The only way a Jew can be Roman is by Roman citizenship as you "liked" in Acts 22:22-23:11.

 

[Willamena]

Being an atheist has to be the easiest thing in the world ,how hard is it to believe in nothing literally nothing your only argument is to say things do not exist.

To atheists, theists are believing in literally nothing (which is God).

 

[g2perk]

I remember you saying the Pharisee (the Romans) are Jewish. They are not.

You typed: The Jews( Pharisees) focused on the law and traditions while Jesus focused on grace and love among all people. #115
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That's why I commented on the error. Then you said:

A Roman could not be a jew, it was against their belief. The Jews were allowed to worship in Rome. Harold did not want to crucify Jesus because he found no fault in him. The Jews pushed the issue. #130​

I agree with the second one (explanation below) Was that a typo?

According to Britannica encyclopedia, " Pontius Pilate, Latin Pontius Pilatus (died c. 36 ce) Roman-[not Jewish]-prefect (governor) of Judaea (26–36 ce) under the emperor Tiberius who presided at the trial of Jesus and gave the order for his crucifixion.Jun 1, 2015 Britanica Encyclopedia

The only way a Jew can be Roman is by Roman citizenship as you "liked" in Acts 22:22-23:11.

Yes your right on that..

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes your right on that..

Oh my gosh, someone said I was right on RF. Thank you. I actually thought Paul was Jewish by blood. Didn't know he was by citizenship until I looked it up.

Learn something new every day.

 

[JustWondering]

Have you tried believing in God, praying to God etc.

I believed in the Christian god for a long time. When I got older and was exposed to different beliefs and cultures my faith began to falter. I studied the bible in the hopes of getting answers but the bible had a lot of crazy and contradictory stuff in it that only hurt my faith more. I prayed and was answered by silence. Can't remember any of my prayers being answered, ever. Now I'm an atheist.