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Double Minded Atheist

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g2perk

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Carlita said:
Oh my gosh, someone said I was right on RF. :eek: Thank you. I actually thought Paul was Jewish by blood. Didn't know he was by citizenship until I looked it up.

Learn something new every day.
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I just want to say I love the way you looked that up. That was impressive. I need to brush up in my skills.....lol
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Willamena said:
That makes no sense: atheists could not "lose out" on someone else's belief.
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Theism is actually a position/adherence. That is what ''belief'' means, in the religious usage/ when describing the theism.


Atheism would be a position, as well, because you can't have a contradicting definition.
 
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ukok102nak

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:alien: when a fellow atheist told us that no man have seen god
we know that he is telling the truth
and what we meant by this is
the same thing happen to certain person who ask this kind of thing
that could you show us the father almighty who created the heaven and earth

so no one could give an indifinite answer unto that question
unless someone who really knows what is their belief and faith in accordance with this question

and i've heard and seen
one of my brethren said this thing to our fellow atheist
you are telling the truth and there is no way we could deny that
as we also believe in our lord god who is good and cannot lie


:ty:



godbless
unto all always
 
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g2perk

Member
JustWondering said:
I believed in the Christian god for a long time. When I got older and was exposed to different beliefs and cultures my faith began to falter. I studied the bible in the hopes of getting answers but the bible had a lot of crazy and contradictory stuff in it that only hurt my faith more. I prayed and was answered by silence. Can't remember any of my prayers being answered, ever. Now I'm an atheist.
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What would it take to come back to the faith?
 
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Acim

Revelation all the time
g2perk said:
To believe or not to believe that is the question. There are many atheist that proclaim to Know for certain that God doesn't exist. Most of these individuals ride the coat tails of George Lemaitre and Charles Darwin as if any of these men were died hard atheist. The truth of the matter is neither one of these men denounced God. George balanced his life with God and science and Darwin instead of saying there is no God, just kept silent and stated " In my most extreme fluctuations I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God."
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I don't believe atheists truly deny the existence of all gods, but do profess a lack of belief in particular god(s) that are presented to them. I also think many atheists have earnestly attempted to belief in certain gods, and found the belief did nothing for them, other than induce a sense of supporting fairytales.

The 'lack of belief' thing works other ways besides that which atheism lays claim to. Like I am skeptical of man-made climate change because I have yet to see (enough) compelling evidence for me to think it real, viable as a concern, and for sure not in the way it is currently framed for politics. This doesn't mean I haven't seen any evidence, but does mean it hasn't compelled me to believe that evidence is pointing toward what others believe it is.

Lack of belief is skepticism. Restating what I just said, I find that most, if not all people, exercise it about something and that something is what others believe to be truth/fact. There are nuances in skepticism that do challenge assertions which are prone to express themselves with certainty. My understanding of actual skepticism is that it reserves all judgment, or ideally suspends judgment about whatever assertions that reach the level of conclusion (i.e. facts). This doesn't (necessarily) lead to doubt. Yet, if you're on the side of what you identify as 'facts, truth' and someone shows up as skeptic, that will likely be interpreted as doubt. If it is expressed as doubt, then it will certainly look like denial, thus a judgment of non-existence. If somehow that judgment rises to nuanced level, whereby someone asserts, "I know that (it) doesn't exist," then they strayed away from skepticism, and plausibly invited a skeptic to challenge their 'knowledge.'
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
g2perk said:
I see your point. So you are saying what benefit does the gospel have to someone that never had it and is happy and content with the life they are living now.

Well I would have to say Eternal Salvation is the ultimate goal. Lets say you guys are wrong about God, heaven and hell. Wouldn't that be a waste of life here on earth. Even if you were the most successful person on this earth but didn't care about your soul you would lose out on eternal happiness. This is what God says. " If you deny me before men I will deny you before my father". This goes for everyone Christians included.
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What if you're wrong about god? Wouldn't you also have wasted your life? What if we're supposed to be worshiping Zeus? Then we're all in trouble.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

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g2perk said:
Discredited the bible. Please. Try again. No one has ever discredited the bible and never will. Just because you make assumptions does not mean the bible is not true. Every word is true. But you have to understand the meaning of all words and what they meant.
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On what basis do you make the claim that "every word" of the Bible is true?
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

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syncretic said:
atheism is an assertion, not merely the absence of a position
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Nope.

It's basically just lack of belief in god(s).

Of course, there are different types of atheists, including some who may assert that "there are no gods." I agree that those people are making a claim.
 
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g2perk

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SkepticThinker said:
What if you're wrong about god? Wouldn't you also have wasted your life? What if we're supposed to be worshiping Zeus? Then we're all in trouble.
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Because there is nothing else in This world that can guide me through life like the word of God. Its the answers to the test, showing us the troubles of our past so that We would know what not to do.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
g2perk said:
Because there is nothing else in This world that can guide me through life like the word of God. Its the answers to the test, showing us the troubles of our past so that We would know what not to do.
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I don't think that's really an answer to the question.

I've gotten through life very well with no belief in god(s). So I guess that means there are no gods?
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
syncretic said:
You're going to have to explain that.
If some one has a idol, or an object, and considers it their deity, does the fact that you are an atheist, make the object 'not exist'? Your stated theory would indicate that.
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Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s). As I said a while back, I haven't seen any compelling evidence that leads me to believe in the existence of god(s). That's it.

There are different variations of atheism, and some may claim "there are no gods," but the atheists on this thread (so far) haven't made such a claim.
 
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