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DoubleStandard Morals

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Pt 3

Part Two
In the previous article, advantages to being homosexual was explored from a evolutionary or survival of the species point of view. As homosexuality appears to be an enduring characteristic of the human species, it must provide a biological advantage. The advantage may be that an individual without the desire to reproduce ensures the survival of his or her genetic characteristics by playing a role in the raising of their nieces and nephews. The advantage to homosexuality may be with the genes that not only control sexual orientation but also control other characteristics or traits conducive to survival.

What are the traits that seem to be associated with homosexuality? Studies of personality makeup of homosexual males have demonstrated clearly that there are no distinguishing characteristics. That is, contrary to the mistaken belief that homosexuals are 'neurotic' and unstable, in fact they are no different from heterosexual males in terms of emotional stability. Before discussing biologically controlled attributes that distinguish homosexuals, a brief discussion is necessary about some of the differences between heterosexual males and females.

The brain is a complicated organ of six billion neurons with many specialized areas of function. Generally speaking, the brain can be divided into right and left hemispheres each with unique functions, although there is a very extensive connecting system that allows the hemispheres to "talk to each other", integrating the activity of both. The left hemisphere or left brain is referred to as the dominant hemisphere, that is, it controls handiness as well as other very important functions such as language, speech, integrative thought and complex memory, that distinguishes humans from other mammals including primates. Because of a unique characteristic of the brain which involves crossover of major connections, the left brain being dominant in most individuals means the right hand, foot and eye, are also dominant or preferred in most activities. The right hemisphere or right brain controls visual and spatial functions such as the manipulation of tools, reading maps, orienteering and so on. Because of the cross-over phenomenon, the left hand, foot and eye are non-dominant. About 10-12% of the population are left handed meaning that the brain has been reorganised with reversed or mixed dominance (the right brain instead of left is more involved with language functions).

Extensive studies over the years in the area of neuropsychology have demonstrated that females as a group are very much "left brain" with strengths in the area of language functions. The average female brain seems overall to be less specialized so that some control of language function also rests in the right hemisphere and there is a greater number of connections between the right and left side, meaning

overall a much more efficient brain. (Sorry, guys!) The average male brain, although proportionately larger, is highly specialized with less interconnecting pathways, and the average male is very 'right brained' with strengths in the area of visual-spatial activity, but less efficient overall. It needs to be emphasized that this is a comment on the average male or female. There are, of course, many females who can outdo males on visual-spatial tasks and many males who excel more than females in language abilities.

Testosterone, the male hormone, plays an important role in brain development in the fetus. Specific genes called Testes Determining Factor allow the growth of male sex organs in a fetus which in turn produce testosterone. The presence of testosterone at critical periods allow the development in a male fetus of appropriate physical characteristics, gender (awareness of being male) and also may play a role in the development of sexual orientation. The presence of testosterone also 'masculinizes' the brain-controlling the development of right brain qualities as well as other typical male behaviours.

Neuropsychological studies assessing the biological aspects of brain function have shown that homosexual males have a shift in neuropsychological attributes that places them somewhere between heterosexual males and females. This has been confirmed by observational studies that show that homosexual males are less "rough and tough", tend to avoid contact sports (only 11% of homosexual males enjoy sports versus 70% of heterosexual males) and are more likely to engage in more typical female nurturing play as children. Differences between homosexual and heterosexual males is reinforced by neuroanatomical studies of the brain. For example, an area of the brain called the corpus callosum, the main connecting area between the two great hemispheres of the brain appears to be larger in homosexual males than heterosexual males. Other differences, in brain structure exist as well but are beyond the focus of this article.

Of interest, left-handedness is much more common in male homosexuals than in the general male population, suggesting that in some homosexuals at least, there is either mixed or shifted dominance. This means the left hemisphere is more involved with language functions, although the right hemisphere also plays a role, and overall this is more like the left brain organization seen in females.

This means that the average homosexual male probably has a more efficient brain in terms of hemispheric communication, and has either left and right brain strengths or attributes. The average male heterosexual has the more specialized attributes of a right brain, which is less efficient. The average female heterosexual has a more efficient brain that is less specialized with strong left brain attributes. Although there is less study in this area, the right and left brain advantage is probably also true for female homosexuals.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Pt4

What are the characteristics that make females different from males, and are likely to be at least to some degree characteristic of homosexual males? Females are more intuitive, socially sensitive, place a greater emphasis on relationships and are more likely to be drawn to individuals with power, and status. Females are more facile with

language. They speak at a much earlier age, are much more fluent in verbal communication and acquire new languages more easily. Females problem solve through an intuitive sense rather than by a practical approach. Females tend to be more caring, sensitive, parental, nurturing. They are less territorial in a geographic sense but very defending of family boundaries. They are less explorative in a visuospatial sense and are also less aggressive. This explains why more females traditionally have become nurses and teachers over the years while more males have become mechanics and builders and alas, have also become soldiers. This is not to suggest that male homosexuals are necessarily feminine in behaviour and in their interests. Homosexual, like heterosexual males fall along a normal distribution curve so that some males may have attributes more characteristic of female brains and others may not. There is only a shift in the direction of such characteristics. For example, a group of lumberjacks may be very 'masculine' or right brained by societal standards, however, the homosexuals amongst them, although appearing very masculine when compared to other groups of males, may have more left or female brain characteristics when compared to the others in that particular group. Such characteristics have biological attributes that in fact are very desirable.

The role of the homosexual in so-called primitive societies reinforces some of these concepts. In traditional Navajo culture (untarnished by Christian attitudes) there is the 'Nadle', a word meaning 'one who is transformed'. These were androgynous males of that society that is they had male and female qualities. Navajo families who had a child who behaved androgynously (have some female attributes) were considered to be very fortunate and felt that their success and fortune was assured. Most if not all of these androgynous children were homosexual. As adults, they became 'Nadle', were regarded as being sacred and holy and were given great respect. In other primitive societies, androgynous men were referred to as Berdache by early explorers. They were often regarded as shamans or sacred people. The Winktes (meaning half woman half man in the Dakota language), of an Indian tribe in South Dakota were healers, spending their time helping others, visiting and comforting the ill and the elderly. The Cheyenne berdache were regarded as noted and valued matchmakers. In Hawaii and Tahiti, androgynous males were and still are called Mahu, and in Samoa, they are called fa' afafine. In these cultures, such individuals take care of the elderly and the sick. The Nadle of the Navajo tribe were also regarded as being great with children, being very adept at parenting and nurturing. The berdache of most primitive societies often became parents through adoption of orphans, or aided other parents in the care of their children. Berdache were highly productive at both women's and men's work and became renowned at being cooks, producing handicrafts as well as having a good business or management sense. The berdache (read homosexual males) were also well known for being hard workers, productive, intelligent and sensitive. Likewise, the mythical Amazons (read female homosexuals) of Greek legend were admired for their skills in hunting and fighting as well as being leaders. Most of these societies recognized that the berdache and the Amazons (a term applied to very masculine females that were seen in these societies) were homosexual. However, this was not an issue. Sexuality was seen as a gift from the spirit world, whereas the social behaviours of the berdache were regarded as an asset. This is in sharp contrast to the Western 'civilized' world where homosexuality is condemned by the Church and by society in general! The Navajo's joy of having an androgynous child (homosexual) is in sharp contrast to the pain, anguish and rejection of most Western families when they learn that one of their offspring is homosexual!

Therefore, in being a homosexual male (as compared to a heterosexual male) means likely having many characteristics that in fact, are very positive and advantageous. It probably means having a brain that is organized in a way that allows for greater facility with words and language and overall efficiency in terms of transfer of information from one hemisphere to the other. It likely means being more intuitive, being more sensitive, and being more aware of others feelings. It likely means being less aggressive in terms of territory, less dominating, but more protective of family and kin (or significant others). It likely means being more nurturing and caring, being more adept at looking after children and being more concerned about the sick, weak and elderly. All of these traits or characteristics, of course, are strengths. It means that homosexual males may have the best of both worlds with well defined visuospatial abilities characteristic of most heterosexual males, but also have well defined verbal/language skills, intuition, sensitivity, creativity and nurturing abilities! This is probably also true for homosexual females who have the attributes of most heterosexual females, but also have better defined visuospatial abilities.

In addition to all of this, the experience of being homosexual in this society means enduring the experience of prejudice and of being stigmatized. It means emerging from childhood and adolescence, and preserving a sense of self in spite of the many negative messages given out about homosexuality. To survive means developing a strong inner strength, and a strong sense of self. It means developing strong bonds and loyalties to others who are the same. This experience also allows for a greater empathy and sensitivity to others who belong to other minority groups. It also allows for a greater sense of tolerance and acceptance of everyone in society regardless of their differences.

To conclude, to be born homosexual is the result of biological forces, in other words, "the hand that one is dealt". It becomes a reason for complete acceptance of self while being proudly aware of the attributes and advantages that this brings. It is the knowledge that attributes that others may deride or downplay, in fact in the larger scheme of things, are actually distinct advantages. It becomes a reason to celebrate the diversification and richness of human behaviour.

The author is aware that this discussion focuses mostly on male homosexuality. There is a great deal of information available in the area of female homosexuality, but this is not explored to limit the extent of the article.:)
 

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
Let me read this more when I get home. It goes against what doctors practice. If it is true, surely to God the Supreme Court will strike it down.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
jgallandt said:
Let me read this more when I get home. It goes against what doctors practice. If it is true, surely to God the Supreme Court will strike it down.
I would have thought so.:)
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
I'm sorry, but the link only states that a bill was passed, not what was in the bill.
No, the entire bill is there. You have to click either the PDF or TXT button to see it.

It's next to that part that says this:

House Introduced Bill
Introduced bills appear as they were introduced and reflect no subsequent amendments or changes.
 

Dreamwolf

Blissful Insomniac
jgallandt, Not all christians want separation of church and state. You should have seen the backlash when the parents at the high school I went to found out that "we" were not allowed to say a prayer. While the christians were allowed to say a prayer, I was not allowed to wear a simple necklace a penticle. How would it make you(the christians reading this) feel if I was allowed to say a prayer to the God and Goddess in front of you all, when all you were allowed of your religion was a cross.
 

SoliDeoGloria

Active Member
It makes sense to me that they would protest somewhere where they will not be executed for protesting, but you seem to think that gays should just accept their second-class citizen status because things are so much worse in other countries.
alright lets see how that looks. "We acknowledge that there are those who share something in our plight with us that are suffering horrific crimes against them but our main concern right now is getting married and we're going to pretty much not do anything about those who are suffering" Is it just me or does that seem pretty self-centered? As far as being "second class citizens" goes, Christians need laws to protect them from discrimination also along with many other groups. (equal oppertunity employment laws, etc.) Those laws aren't just about sexual orientation.

Actually, I wonder if the intent is to "criticize Christianity" at all. I think gay pride marches are more an attempt to spread awareness about the issues than to criticize all the followers of any given religion. Many gays (and gay rights supporters) are themselves Christian, after all.
If I remember right, the original post was about a gay pride parade in Rome Italy and it wasn't all that hard to figure out that it was a protest of the Pope's and Christianitie's stance on homosexuality.

I personally don't care whether a Chritian calls it a sin as long is it is understood that sin is not to be part of Constitutional Law.
For one who personally doesn't care you sure seemed to put a whole lot of effort in starting a thread about how Christianity has interpreted scripture wrong when it came to the issue of homosexuality being a sin. http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5871

It's cute how people throw away studies that show the fact the homosexual brain is different, muttering something about bias and yawning. But hey, aren't there still people who think the Earth is flat?
Who said anything about throwing away studies? All I stated was that there were contradicting studies. But since you are insistant on this issue, I have a question for you. If this is such a fact and can be absolutely identified, I wonder how many parents (me being one myself) would react if all of a sudden, to do away with confusion when it came to deciding ones own sexual orientation, it was required for children to take a test given by a doctor to identify whether or not their brains matched a heterosexual or homosexual brain. Then the results would be given to the school for the purpose of placing children who reach the grade of sexual education classes to not only be notified of what their brain tests indicated about their sexual orientation and then be placed in sexual education classes geared towards their determined sexual orientation (the "homosexual brain" kids in classes about homosexuality and the "heterosexual brain" kids in classes about heterosexuality).

Honestly now, who do you think I am going to protest against when I want results?
Is that what it's about? results? Not a care about those dieing for your same cause? Even if you didn't get results right away and had to pay the ultimate price, who's to say that positive results wouldn't eventually come about?



Now as far as quoting "scientific studies" taking up four or more posts, Here's the first website I will post with as I stated before, "contradicting scientific evidence" http://www.narth.com/docs/fading.html

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria
 

Dreamwolf

Blissful Insomniac
As I stated before If you look hard enough there will always be scientific studies contradicting each other. You can find those who still believe the world is flat, that tomatoes cause cancer, that HIV does not lead to AIDS. The question is are you going to accept the one being contradicted or the one that contradicts?
 

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
Dreamwolf said:
jgallandt, Not all christians want separation of church and state. You should have seen the backlash when the parents at the high school I went to found out that "we" were not allowed to say a prayer. While the christians were allowed to say a prayer, I was not allowed to wear a simple necklace a penticle. How would it make you(the christians reading this) feel if I was allowed to say a prayer to the God and Goddess in front of you all, when all you were allowed of your religion was a cross.
I never said all Christians, I said MOST Christians. What happened to you was wrong. we do have freedom of religion, the religion we chose, not what is chosen for us. Still have not had time to read that, Michel, got home, mowed the grass, took a shower, now have to run to the store and buy a white shirt and a white dress for our kids. They get Baptized Tomorrow!
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
jgallandt said:
I never said all Christians, I said MOST Christians. What happened to you was wrong. we do have freedom of religion, the religion we chose, not what is chosen for us. Still have not had time to read that, Michel, got home, mowed the grass, took a shower, now have to run to the store and buy a white shirt and a white dress for our kids. They get Baptized Tomorrow!
I hope you have a lovely day together.:)
 

Ori

Angel slayer
The economy is up, unemployment is down, flowers blooming, birds singing, life is grand. Lady L has alot better insight then you, so in my opinion, with your total lack of understanding American politics, you are the one with no hope. Good seats, hay, buddy? :D

Oohhhhh! Is that a challenge?
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
Who said anything about throwing away studies? All I stated was that there were contradicting studies. But since you are insistant on this issue, I have a question for you. If this is such a fact and can be absolutely identified, I wonder how many parents (me being one myself) would react if all of a sudden, to do away with confusion when it came to deciding ones own sexual orientation, it was required for children to take a test given by a doctor to identify whether or not their brains matched a heterosexual or homosexual brain. Then the results would be given to the school for the purpose of placing children who reach the grade of sexual education classes to not only be notified of what their brain tests indicated about their sexual orientation and then be placed in sexual education classes geared towards their determined sexual orientation (the "homosexual brain" kids in classes about homosexuality and the "heterosexual brain" kids in classes about heterosexuality).
Oh, what a slippery slope we slide down. We don't have seperate classes for whites and blacks to teach them about their skin colour. Schools barely teach now, why would they completely reform over this?

Secondly, this would be a huge breech of privacy and HIPAA laws would be all over it.

This would never happen.



alright lets see how that looks. "We acknowledge that there are those who share something in our plight with us that are suffering horrific crimes against them but our main concern right now is getting married and we're going to pretty much not do anything about those who are suffering" Is it just me or does that seem pretty self-centered? As far as being "second class citizens" goes, Christians need laws to protect them from discrimination also along with many other groups. (equal oppertunity employment laws, etc.) Those laws aren't just about sexual orientation.
Is that what it's about? results? Not a care about those dieing for your same cause? Even if you didn't get results right away and had to pay the ultimate price, who's to say that positive results wouldn't eventually come about?
Nice putting words in my mouth, but you're a little off. Praytell, what am I to do about other countries? I can't sit down and have coffee with the Prince of Saudi Arabia and convince him to allow gays to wed- especially in a country where women can't even drive or vote or people practice religions that aren't Islam. What I can do is work for change here and hope other countries follow suit.

Also, why do you mention those anti-discrimintion laws for Christians too when in many places of the world Christians are murdered and not allowed to practice their religion? If it's selfish when we do it...


I live in the United States of America and I'm more concerned about change here. Until I get rights equal to that of straight people I am a second-class citizen and this country only does lip service to that whole "Land of the Free" thing.
 

Ori

Angel slayer
Fine, challenge this, the wonderful works of your saviour...

- Cut $39 million from federal spending on libraries

- Cut $35 million in funding for advanced pediatric training for doctors

- Cut funding for research into renewable energy sources by 50%

- Delayed rules that would reduce "acceptable" levels of arsenic in drinking water

- Cut funding for research into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks by 28%

- Revoked rules strengthening the power of the government to deny contracts to companies that violate federal laws, environmental laws, and workplace safety standards

- Allowed Secretary of the Interior Gale Norton to request suggestions for opening up national monuments for foresting, coal mining, and oil and gas drilling

- Reduced by 86% the Commnunity Access Program, which coordinated care for people without health insurance among public hospitals, clinics, and other health care providers

- Nullified a proposal to increase public access to information about the potential ramifications of chemical plant accidents

- Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol agreement on global warming, ultimately signed by 178 other countries

- Rejected an international accord to enforce the 1972 treaty banning germ wafare

- Cut $200 million from workforce training programs for dislocated workers

- Cut $200 million from the Childcare and Development grant, a program that provides child care to low-income families as they are forced from welfare to work

- Cut $700 million in funds for public housing repairs

- Cut $500 million from the Environmental Protection Agency's budget

- Overturned workplace ergonomic rules designed to protect worker's health and safety

- Abandoned the campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, a major contributor to global warming

- Appointed Lynn Scarlett, a global warming skeptic and an opponent of stricter standards on air pollution, as Undersecretary of the Interior

- Announced plans to allow oil drilling in Montana's Lewis and Clark National Forest

- Denied college financial aid to students convicted of misdemeanor drug charges (though convicted murderers are still eligible for financial aid)

- Allocated only 3% of the amount requested by Justice Deparment lawyers in the government's continued litigation against tobacco companies

- Pushed through tax cut, 43% of which goes to the wealthiest 1% of Americans

- Signed a bill making it harder for poor and middle-class Americans to file for bankruptcy, even when facing overwhelming medical bills

- Cut $16 milllion from programs dealing with child abuse and neglect

- Pushed for development of "mini-nukes", designed to attack deeply buried targets, a violation of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty

- Tried to reverse regulation protecting sixty million acres of national forest from logging and road building

- Appointed John Bolton, an opponent of nonproliferation treaties and the United Nations, as Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security

- Canceled the 2004 deadline for auto makers to develop prototype high-mileage cars

- Appointed oil and coal lobbyist J. Steven Giles of Deputy Secretary of the Interior

- Named Bennett Raley, who has called for the repeal of the Endagered Species Act, as Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Water and Science

- Proposed to ease the permit process for constructing refineries and nuclear and hydroelectric dams, including lowering environmental standards

- Proposed the selling of oil and gas tracts in the Alaska Wildlife Preserve

- Invaded the sovereign nation of Iraq in March of 2003, without the consent of the United Nations and at a time when Iraq never threatened or killed a single civilian of the United States
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
Orichalcum, please stop. Bush has nothing to do with this thread!

If you want to debate this, start another thread.
 

Ori

Angel slayer
Okay, on that note I will stop. I'm dragging this way off topic, so I will have to make a new thread.
See you soon.
 

Dreamwolf

Blissful Insomniac
Oh boy did a discussion on morals turn into much much more, but in away Bush does belong in this discussion. He is very religous and is using that influence to push for a constutional amendment banning gay marriage. Now if he was not so religous would he have the same view? Oh separation of church and state ... such lofty goals.
 

Ormiston

Well-Known Member
Dreamwolf said:
Oh boy did a discussion on morals turn into much much more, but in away Bush does belong in this discussion. He is very religous and is using that influence to push for a constutional amendment banning gay marriage. Now if he was not so religous would he have the same view? Oh separation of church and state ... such lofty goals.
Oh the mighty Christian army marches on...
 

SoliDeoGloria

Active Member
Oh, what a slippery slope we slide down. We don't have seperate classes for whites and blacks to teach them about their skin colour. Schools barely teach now, why would they completely reform over this?
Is homosexuality now a race? Boy, I learn something new every day!!!

Nice putting words in my mouth, but you're a little off.
Well, here's your quote again for the third time in this thread. Being as how I was under the impression that we were communicating by using the english language here, please tell me how I have "put words in" your mouth:
Honestly now, who do you think I am going to protest against when I want results?
I can't sit down and have coffee with the Prince of Saudi Arabia and convince him to allow gays to wed- especially in a country where women can't even drive or vote or people practice religions that aren't Islam. What I can do is work for change here and hope other countries follow suit.
Do you wonder why people still die for your plight in other countries? I wonder what would've became of Christianity if they took the same attitude? What sort of love do you speak of when you use the word? Is it a love that is concerned only with one's self? How far does this love of yours extend?

Also, why do you mention those anti-discrimintion laws for Christians too when in many places of the world Christians are murdered and not allowed to practice their religion? If it's selfish when we do it...
For the second time in this thread, there are whole ministries devoted to Christians being persecuted in other countries http://www.persecution.com


I live in the United States of America and I'm more concerned about change here. Until I get rights equal to that of straight people I am a second-class citizen and this country only does lip service to that whole "Land of the Free" thing.
lol, this country has been giving only lip service to that whole "Land of the Free" thing since before it's beginning and will until it comes to it's eventual end. You ought to look up what the true definition of a Democracy is and compare it with what this country calls "Democracy". A true Democracy is about as much of a pipe dream as a true Communism. I hate to burst your bubble, but you and I will surely not see "The Land of the Free" in our lifetimes.

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria
 
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