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DoubleStandard Morals
- Thread starter SoliDeoGloria
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Dreamwolf
Blissful Insomniac
Well I do personally support the homosexual effort for equality. But back to the point I was trying to make before I had to leave this morning. How would Jesus now if someone was "truly sorry" correct me if I am wrong but Judas did betray him and Jesus did not know he would do this? I mean I am not the most scripturally strong individual but it seems to me that this would indicate Jesus is more like man in the way that he trusts blindly? I now this comment is going to cause some comebacks but oh well! Just remember I am actually asking a question here. Blessings!
SoliDeoGloria
Active Member
Who let the huge rabbit loose in this thread to leave all these trails?! And Mr Spinkles, for being a moderator and to let this happen, for shame!!!
I started this thread with the intention of hopefully getting an answer as to why it seems like those who practice homosexuality seem to concentrate their criticisms on Christianity despite the fact that there are other religions that continue to be intolerant of homosexuality to the point of openly killing those who practice homosexuality without any second thought even to the point of praising the idea.
There are ministries devoted to Christian persecution in these same countries http://www.persecution.com . And yet it seems as if people who practice homosexuality want to concentrate their efforts on criticizing the very countries that at least make an effort to give them a voice and set laws in place intended to protect them from discrimination and persecution as if it isn't enough while practically ignoring the fact that there are many countries where those kind of ideas are shut down physically before they could even be voiced. There is a cliche for certain Christians that goes "looking at the world through color stained glass windows". What it means is that certain Christians don't want to acknowledge or deal with the real world outside the comfort of their own church and the church they go to becomes their world. It almost seems that this cliche could be used with a twist for those who practice homosexuality.
Now don't get me wrong, there are some very good conversations going on in here that I am not trying to ruin. I am just shocked that out of 80 some odd posts in 48 hours, the most that has been done is about five posts acknowledging that the issue even exists. The rest of the posts, ironically, indirectly ackowledge that the issue exists by continueing the criticisms of Christianity. It actually makes me chuckle. Now, I have my own personal hunches for why this issue exists, but I'll try to hold it back for now.
Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Isn't it ironic? Doncha think?
t's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
t's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Mr Spinkles
Mr
SoliDeoGloria-- You asked why Christianity is singled out, and it seemed there was a general agreement that the reason American homsexuals single out Christianity is because most of the anti-gay rights people in America are Christian. I think we all agree that, compared to many Middle Eastern countries, the U.S. is very tolerant of homosexuals....but American homosexuals don't live in the Middle East, they live in the U.S., and they want to see change in the U.S. so that they can live normal lives and get married just like straight people can. Jensa pointed out that if Islam was the dominant religion in the U.S. opposing gay rights, she would focus her criticism on Islam.
The current conversation actually isn't about Christianity, but all three of the Abrahamic religions, and how they have a darker history of homophobia than the Eastern religions (which explains why gay rights supporters are more critical of the Abrahamic religions--Christianity being one). Is that really off topic?
The current conversation actually isn't about Christianity, but all three of the Abrahamic religions, and how they have a darker history of homophobia than the Eastern religions (which explains why gay rights supporters are more critical of the Abrahamic religions--Christianity being one). Is that really off topic?
SoliDeoGloria
Active Member
And my point has been that if the U.S. was dominanly Islamic, Jensa would more than likely not be alive to criticise Islam for that. And yet, people traveled all the way to Rome Italy to criticise Christianity.
Do you know where all three of these religions originated and two thirds of them are still dominant? That's right, the Middle East. Even Christianity has had a very brief history in the U.S. when compared to it's nearly 2000 years of existence.
What makes it off topic is the fact that the original issue has been completley ignored and turned into an emphasis on criticizing Christianity in the U.S. despite the fact that many strides have been made in the U.S. to do away with discrimination and persecution. Just think of the criticism Christianity would get if they had no thought or compassion for kindred spirits suffering wrongs over seas.
Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria
Mr Spinkles
Mr
If they will be executed for being homosexual in Muslim countries, is it any wonder that they do not protest there? It makes sense to me that they would protest somewhere where they will not be executed for protesting, but you seem to think that gays should just accept their second-class citizen status because things are so much worse in other countries.SoliDeoGloria said:
Actually, I wonder if the intent is to "criticize Christianity" at all. I think gay pride marches are more an attempt to spread awareness about the issues than to criticize all the followers of any given religion. Many gays (and gay rights supporters) are themselves Christian, after all.SoliDeoGloria said:
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
But the attacks are on any Christian in this forum, not the far right wing few who get the headlines. My wife and I left a Baptist Church because the Preacher started bashing gays. But in here it seams any Christian is attacked. All a Christian has to say is It's a sin, along with so many other things in life, and all hell brakes out. As I stated in another thread, there are people in here that spend more time quoting the Bible in which they believe is a fairy tale, inspired by God whom they claim does not exist, then a tv evangelist does on a month of Sundays. If I spent most of my time in here bashing gays, what would I be labeled? But It's ok to run me down, call me names, disrespect my beliefs because of some far right bigots who claim to be Christians. But guess what? I'm a true Christian who believes 2 wrongs do not make a right. May God Bless You All.
Pah
Uber all member
I personally don't care whether a Chritian calls it a sin as long is it is understood that sin is not to be part of Constitutional Law. Perhaps there is the impression that all Christians who think it sin also advocte it's imposition in law. That would be wrong. But is is easy to lump every Christian together when the homophobia is clear.jgallandt said:
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
If that where the case, would you not also see some Christians try and make it a law against living together? Most Christians want separation of Church from State. But my putting all Christians into one basket... i'm not buying it, pah, your smarter then that. There is more to this.pah said:
[PART QUOTE=Mr_Spinkles]..............."Actually, I wonder if the intent is to "criticize Christianity" at all. I think gay pride marches are more an attempt to spread awareness about the issues than to criticize all the followers of any given religion. Many gays (and gay rights supporters) are themselves Christian, after all".......................[/PART QUOTE]
I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Mr_Spinkles; like any minority group that has been oppressed historically, Gays are bound to be weary of those who have targetted them; as you say, gay pride marches are just that - a determination to make their presence felt, and to spread awareness. Perhaps too, they feel so victimized - I wouldn't blame them if they did.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Mr_Spinkles; like any minority group that has been oppressed historically, Gays are bound to be weary of those who have targetted them; as you say, gay pride marches are just that - a determination to make their presence felt, and to spread awareness. Perhaps too, they feel so victimized - I wouldn't blame them if they did.
Pah
Uber all member
Of course I can see that as well as a prohibition about dancing divorce and abortion. I probably can see all social behavior based on faith.jgallandt said:
I don't think I said lumping Christians together was okay - your Lord and Christ know that Christianity is not monolithic and I see certianly see that and admit it is one of the reasons I'm an Atheist. I merely said it was easy to do in the battle against homophobic and other "faith based" formal denials of American freedoms. My ultimate enemy is the theocractic Christian and that's not all Christians.
Even given "enemy status", I respect the core of self that they hold.
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
My wife was still in N. Wales when 9/11 happened. Her 1st impression was "It couldn't have happened to a better Country." Since moving her her impression has changed dramatically. She also loves our heat, thunderstorms, and wants to see a tornado. frickin' nuts! What you see on tv is the extremists from the coasts. She has come to realize most people in America are not what you see on tv. or the Americans who came to Llandudno, who where threw their money around and acted like they owned the place. Most Americans are hard working, middle class people that want to raise their kids in a safe place. The religous wacko's know how to get headlies. Most people I know do not take then seriously.michel said:Is that really true ? or is that your subjective view ? - as a foreigner, I am still trying to get my head round the degree of religion in your contry's politics.
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
And most people realize that if you stick your nose into the Government's business, that gives them the right to stick their nose in yours. I guess there is a growing sentiment that they want the Government to do things for them. Including imposing their religious views on others. Most people want separation of Church from state, but things like the pledge or "In God we trust" to remain, feeling there are people trying to take away their rights. I can see both sides. And please, no flames. To tired to argue today.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
It is only recently we have started to separate Church and state in the Uk.michel said:Is that really true ? or is that your subjective view ? - as a foreigner, I am still trying to get my head round the degree of religion in your contry's politics.
The church of England is still the ESTABLISHED religion
Bishops still sit in the House of lords.
The House of lords is still the highest Church and state court in the land.
The Archbishops still make their political views known.
Clergy can stand for parliament.
I think the difference is that in the UK There is almost no FUNDAMENTAL Christianity in politics.
Terry
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Blessed are those who suffer in the cause of right, the kingdom of heaven is theirs.
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
Ok, I can see that. But why the attacks on Christians In THIS forum, when most of us are sympathetic towards your rights? Maybe It's unfair of me to ask you to answer for others. But they are silent about this. Just want your take on it. Thanks for the honest answers.pah said: