Dr Adnan Ibrahim on Emotional Atheism

[LuisDantas]

Are you sure?

I, for my turn, certainly am. @9-10ths_Penguin is correct.

The origin of life is a key point of distinction between and between the Creationist and Darwinist schools of thought. Creationists believe that God created all forms of life on earth (including humans), endowing non-living matter with life through a deliberate, supernatural act. In constast, naturalists typically believe that life descended from a single self-replicating protocell which in turn came into existence through spontaneous chemical reactions. This atheistic theory for the origin of life is commonly known as abiogenesis.
http://nwcreation.net/abiogenesis.html

That is a jaundiced, distorted, unreliable presentation of both ideas. So-called "Creationism" is just stubborn denial of biological knowledge. True Creationism would have no need to do such a thing, for nothing in biology denies or even could possibly deny a creator God for those inclined to believe in one.

Even abiogenesis is simply a possible, likely explanation for the origin of life. It is not like it would make any claims about a creator God.

 

[Godobeyer]

True enough. But not a justification, not by any means.

Just because I am Muslim , and I post Dr Adnan , which he is Muslim too ?

It is not anything about your point. I was just saying that there is an unrelated principle that is better known by that name of "Golden Rule". That one is about ethics, while yours is about design and causes.

Yes body designed (all creatures) made by ethics and intellegence

No one. Your premise is faulty

lol
at least you suppose to say "parents" , sprem and egg

I guess you believe it's randomness and natural selection and other names ?

 

[LuisDantas]

Just because I am Muslim , and I post Dr Adnan , which he is Muslim too ?

Hardly, although the pattern of such strong correlation between Islamic thought and such disjointed fallacies is certainly worrisome.

The ideas are simply logically bankrupt on their own. It is the Muslim world's choice to lend them any significance that they never deserved, or else refrain from doing that.

Yes body designed (all creatures) made by ethics and intellegence

Ethics is a marvelous discipline, but it plays no role in the origin of creatures that I can think of.

And for all your insistence, there is no good reason to believe that there was any form of intelligent design for life or humans either. It is your belief. That does not make it true.

lol
at least you suppose to say "parents" , sprem and egg

I guess you believe it's randomness and natural selection and other names ?

This is difficult to parse and the joke is not on me.

 

[FearGod]

I, for my turn, certainly am. @9-10ths_Penguin is correct.


That is a jaundiced, distorted, unreliable presentation of both ideas. So-called "Creationism" is just stubborn denial of biological knowledge. True Creationism would have no need to do such a thing, for nothing in biology denies or even could possibly deny a creator God for those inclined to believe in one.

Even abiogenesis is simply a possible, likely explanation for the origin of life. It is not like it would make any claims about a creator God.

That's what Dr. Adnan said, he said it's a rubbish as it has no answers for anything, just a name,
it doesn't confirm anything but assumptions.

 

[Godobeyer]

Hardly, although the pattern of such strong correlation between Islamic thought and such disjointed fallacies is certainly worrisome.

The ideas are simply logically bankrupt on their own. It is the Muslim world's choice to lend them any significance that they never deserved, or else refrain from doing that.

Let's back to topic.

Ethics is a marvelous discipline, but it plays no role in the origin of creatures that I can think of.

And for all your insistence, there is no good reason to believe that there was any form of intelligent design for life or humans either. It is your belief. That does not make it true.

Wisdom is better, to English meaning .

Life form is appreance by wisdom and intelligence .

This is difficult to parse and the joke is not on me.

You know what , you designed by sperms and egg,they come from nothing too

 

[LuisDantas]

That's what Dr. Adnan said, he said it's a rubbish as it has no answers for anything, just a name,
it doesn't confirm anything but assumptions.

I am well aware of how clueless and/or dishonest he is.

 

[LuisDantas]

You know what , you designed by sperms and egg,they come from nothing too

Not "nothing". Natural selection and random chance. Do you really want to insist on the exact same dance? It is not too hard to learn and understand those matters.

 

[FearGod]

I am well aware of how clueless and/or dishonest he is.

What he said is correct, you yourself said abiogenesis doesn't confirm anything,
so he's right, it's useless and just a name.

 

[Godobeyer]

Not "nothing". Natural selection and random chance. Do you really want to insist on the exact same dance? It is not too hard to learn and understand those matters.

This is why I hope DS translated that post to you .

 

[LuisDantas]

What he said is correct,

Not remotely true.

you yourself said abiogenesis doesn't confirm anything,

True.

so he's right, it's useless and just a name.

Wrong. You are this close to convincing me that you are dishonest.

 

[LuisDantas]

This is why I hope DS translated that post to you .

I doubt that will make much of a difference. We certainly attempted to reach an understanding often enough. Any surprisingly convincing arguments that you might have the ability to express in Arabic would more than likely have been foreshadowed already by now.

 

[FearGod]

Not remotely true.

True.

Wrong. You are this close to convincing me that you are dishonest.

You failed other than of accusing us of dishonesty, you have no explanations
of why he's dishonest when saying that abiogenesis doesn't tell us facts but
assumptions of what had happened and hence it's useless.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Are you sure?

Yes, I am.

Abiogenesis refers to life arising from non-life. If this was done by some miracle of God, then that miracle would be the mechanism for abiogenesis.

The reason that scientists in the field don't talk about God as an explanation is because none of their evidence points to God. It isn't because they decided to reject God.

The origin of life is a key point of distinction between and between the Creationist and Darwinist schools of thought. Creationists believe that God created all forms of life on earth (including humans), endowing non-living matter with life through a deliberate, supernatural act. In constast, naturalists typically believe that life descended from a single self-replicating protocell which in turn came into existence through spontaneous chemical reactions. This atheistic theory for the origin of life is commonly known as abiogenesis.
http://nwcreation.net/abiogenesis.html

Do you realize that there are many people (including many scientists) who believe that God used abiogenesis and evolution as his way to bring about his creation? They believe that God set things in motion with an end result in mind, and didn't need to intervene with magic partway through to make sure that humans, cats, etc. would be created.

Google "theistic evolution" of you're curious.

 

[LuisDantas]

You failed other than of accusing us of dishonesty,

How would you call consistent insistence in misrepresenting what someone that disagrees with you?

 

[Godobeyer]

I doubt that will make much of a difference. We certainly attempted to reach an understanding often enough. Any surprisingly convincing arguments that you might have the ability to express in Arabic would more than likely have been foreshadowed already by now.

If you just prejudging , that doubt is correct.

 

[LuisDantas]

If you just prejudging , that doubt is correct.

Do you find it unreasonable to assume that at least the general gist of what you mean was understood already?

 

[Godobeyer]

Do you realize that there are many people (including many scientists) who believe that God used abiogenesis and evolution as his way to bring about his creation? They believe that God set things in motion with an end result in mind, and didn't need to intervene with magic partway through to make sure that humans, cats, etc. would be created.

Google "theistic evolution" of you're curious.

There is also some people want to marry animals and someone want to marry PC .
Is that mean they are correct ?

 

[Godobeyer]

Do you find it unreasonable to assume that at least the general gist of what you mean was understood already?

I most of timeI find it's hard to understand your English , I don't know why

 

[LuisDantas]

There is also some people want to marry animals and someone want to marry PC .
Is that mean they are correct ?

That is hardly a reasonable comparison.

 

[LuisDantas]

I most of timeI find it's hard to understand your English , I don't know why

Why, it is because I am a dum****.