Dr Adnan Ibrahim on Emotional Atheism

[McBell]

But there is some people are bit more arrogant than modest ,and some people are more modest than arrogant.

Yes,
Your point?

calling people (in person) is not best way to discuss with them,it's represent weakness and failure sometimes.
disucss idea is modest more.

You claimed that arrogance does not work with you.
That is just flat out not true.
Dr Ibahim's arrogance works with you.
This whole thread clearly shows it to be true.

ignorance is always drove by arrogance.

Nope.
I know loads of people who don't wear their ignorance on their sleeve.

For examples of people who are arrogant of their ignorance, check out any thread in the Creation vs Evolution subforum.
Hells bells, you can see plenty of it from you and Feargod in this thread.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes,
Your point?

From years I knew you in way of your chat , I bit sure that your arrogance is more than your modesty.

You claimed that arrogance does not work with you.
That is just flat out not true.
Dr Ibahim's arrogance works with you.
This whole thread clearly shows it to be true.

Nope.
I know loads of people who don't wear their ignorance on their sleeve.

For examples of people who are arrogant of their ignorance, check out any thread in the Creation vs Evolution subforum.
Hells bells, you can see plenty of it from you and Feargod in this thread.

Of course anything bad is worked with me Dr Ibrahim since we are not pro-atheist idealogy.

Arrogance also is insulting idea without even discuss it, agreed ?

 

[McBell]

From years I knew you in way of your chat , I bit sure that your arrogance is more than your modesty.

In ever made any claims of not being arrogant.
I never made any claims of being more modest than arrogant.

YOU made a claim that arrogance does not work with you.
Said claim is blatantly false.

Of course anything bad is worked with me Dr Ibrahim since we are not pro-atheist idealogy.

What does this have to do with your blatantly false claim of arrogance not working with you?

Arrogance also is insulting idea without even discuss it, agreed ?

If you dislike having false statements pointed out as being false, stop making false statements.
It matters not to me how "insulted" you are over it.

 

[LuisDantas]

My thread is already hijacked from first post by @LuisDantas when he said Dr Adnan is clueless but he did not gave evidences . , some others said " No I did not watch the video " ,

Much arrogance and prejudge used by some people which hijacked the threads too.

I have to object to this. You are being unfair. The OP asked for comments and they had to consider what was proposed.

We could not really react in much different a way.

 

[LuisDantas]

He lived in West , i do believe he met even Arabs Atheists too.


I do expect when some reject something , he provide why ,by points.

Arrogance does not work with me.

Dr. Adnan's apparently worked. If he knows anything about atheism, he is doing a superb job of hiding that.

 

[LuisDantas]

It's not insult when he called failure of answser "give it a name"

Sorry, you are quite wrong. He is being insultuous, spreading ignorance and commiting hate speech all at once.

That must be made very clear. His message is entirely wrong. Immoral. Misleading. Disrespectful.

Whether he is correct was never a question. Why he is listened to and why he says things so deeply disconnected from reality are the questions that must be answered.

For some claim he knew everything , and he is right , I expect the give evidences . instead of arrogance.

Dr Ibrahim is very modest man, he study the theories of evolutions and he agree on some details on it ,and disagree with some , he explained why he disagree.

A modest man, a wise man, an informed man or even a honest man would simply not make anything resembling the statements that he does.

 

[YmirGF]

From years I knew you in way of your chat , I bit sure that your arrogance is more than your modesty.



Of course anything bad is worked with me Dr Ibrahim since we are not pro-atheist idealogy.

Arrogance also is insulting idea without even discuss it, agreed ?

I think what you may not appreciate is how drop dead stupid his idea sounds to an atheist. I understand the Muslims might think he sounds very clever. His condescension is palpable and his patronizing attitude may not be obvious to "believers" in that he pretends that we simply haven't looked at his questions "correctly". Here, "correctly" means adding god to the equations. The utter hilarity of his assertions is that no scientist on the planet would agree with him and I'm sure many philosophers would also vigorously disagree with his amateurish argument.

The only reasons you agree with him and think he is clever is because he is hitting all the right marks from the Islamic perspective... ... a perspective that has little to no traction outside the Muslim world.

 

[LuisDantas]

I think what you may not appreciate is how drop dead stupid his idea sounds to an atheist. I understand the Muslims might think he sounds very clever. His condescension is palpable and his patronizing attitude may not be obvious to "believers" in that he pretends that we simply haven't looked at his questions "correctly". Here, "correctly" means adding god to the equations. The utter hilarity of his assertions is that no scientist on the planet would agree with him and I'm sure many philosophers would also vigorously disagree with his amateurish argument.

The only reasons you agree with him and think he is clever is because he is hitting all the right marks from the Islamic perspective... ... a perspective that has little to no traction outside the Muslim world.

I fully agree. Thanks for taking the trouble to put this into words.

 

[Godobeyer]

In ever made any claims of not being arrogant.
I never made any claims of being more modest than arrogant.

So agree with me ,that you are arrogant more than modest ?

YOU made a claim that arrogance does not work with you.
Said claim is blatantly false.

What does this have to do with your blatantly false claim of arrogance not working with you?

Where exactly you find that I made arrogance statement, or being arrogant ?

If you dislike having false statements pointed out as being false, stop making false statements.
It matters not to me how "insulted" you are over it.

Now explain to me why you find Dr Adnan is arrogance , despite you don't discuss his points .

I find it arrogance that you did not discuss his ideas , just make prejugding , and insult.

 

[Godobeyer]

I think what you may not appreciate is how drop dead stupid his idea sounds to an atheist. I understand the Muslims might think he sounds very clever. His condescension is palpable and his patronizing attitude may not be obvious to "believers" in that he pretends that we simply haven't looked at his questions "correctly". Here, "correctly" means adding god to the equations. The utter hilarity of his assertions is that no scientist on the planet would agree with him and I'm sure many philosophers would also vigorously disagree with his amateurish argument.

The only reasons you agree with him and think he is clever is because he is hitting all the right marks from the Islamic perspective... ... a perspective that has little to no traction outside the Muslim world.

I don't care about your personal opinion about him, I care to discuss his points.

in his points for exemple ?

 

[Godobeyer]

Sorry, you are quite wrong. He is being insultuous, spreading ignorance and commiting hate speech all at once.

That must be made very clear. His message is entirely wrong. Immoral. Misleading. Disrespectful.

Whether he is correct was never a question. Why he is listened to and why he says things so deeply disconnected from reality are the questions that must be answered

A modest man, a wise man, an informed man or even a honest man would simply not make anything resembling the statements that he does
.

Where in his speech you think that he made hate speech; or mislead or immoral ...etc ?

 

[YmirGF]

I fully agree. Thanks for taking the trouble to put this into words.

You too have done very well, Grasshopper.

I don't believe for a second that our dear Muslim friends understand how insulting this is to atheists. They have to pretend we have not given these matter a great deal of thought. I suppose it is impossible for many to consider that after weighing all the facts and thinking that we would somehow reject the wisdom of Islam. It must be an almost insane idea, from a devout Muslim standpoint. Who could not agree with Islam unless they were stupid, wicked or just plain rebellious? Atheists must be very very stupid to not accept Muhammad, Allah and the most Holy Qur'an. The miracle of each is so clear! Why cannot atheists see it?

To admit otherwise would be to admit that there are holes in the miracle to begin with.....

 

[LuisDantas]

Sorry, @Godobeyer. What you are asking is just not reasonable.

 

[Godobeyer]

Dr. Adnan's apparently worked. If he knows anything about atheism, he is doing a superb job of hiding that.

atheism is idealogy not something to hide or hard to understand.

 

[LuisDantas]

Where in his speech you think that he made hate speech; or mislead or immoral ...etc ?

We have told you time and again. The whole video is hopeless. A "non-starter", as the Americans say.

He is simply much too deluded (or worse) for anything constructive to be done taking his statements as a basis. Constructive discussion of his ideas must begin by pointing out that they are entirely wrong.

 

[Godobeyer]

Sorry, @Godobeyer. What you are asking is just not reasonable.

Really !?

 

[Godobeyer]

We have told you time and again. The whole video is hopeless. A "non-starter", as the Americans say.

He is simply much too deluded (or worse) for anything constructive to be done taking his statements as a basis. Constructive discussion of his ideas must begin by pointing out that they are entirely wrong.

I need to proof that video is hopeless , claim is not work with me .

 

[LuisDantas]

atheism is idealogy not something to hide or hard to understand.

Atheism is not an ideology. There are ideologies that connect to or else make a point of rejecting atheism in some way or another, but that is an entirely different thing.

Atheism should not be hidden, but unfortunately it is so deeply misunderstood by many that sometimes there is no choice.

As for it being hard to understand... I fear this whole topic shows that there are many who misunderstand it to a ludicruous degree.

 

[Godobeyer]

You too have done very well, Grasshopper.

I don't believe for a second that our dear Muslim friends understand how insulting this is to atheists. They have to pretend we have not given these matter a great deal of thought. I suppose it is impossible for many to consider that after weighing all the facts and thinking that we would somehow reject the wisdom of Islam. It must be an almost insane idea, from a devout Muslim standpoint. Who could not agree with Islam unless they were stupid, wicked or just plain rebellious? Atheists must be very very stupid to not accept Muhammad, Allah and the most Holy Qur'an. The miracle of each is so clear! Why cannot atheists see it?

To admit otherwise would be to admit that there are holes in the miracle to begin with.....

Where is the insults exactly ?
when I said that you just "gave names "

 

[YmirGF]

atheism is idealogy not something to hide or hard to understand.

Obviously it is hard to understand because you certainly don't understand the atheist perspective(s).