Dr Adnan Ibrahim on Emotional Atheism

[LuisDantas]

I need to proof that video is hopeless , claim is not work with me .

I can see that it doesn't. But the video is much too dysfunctional to be suitable to logical discussion.

You are asking for an explanation of the social life of jabberwooks.

 

[YmirGF]

Where is the insults exactly ?
when I said that you just "gave names "

It's insulting the intelligence of anyone with more than a double-digit IQ, Godobeyer. Please try to keep in mind, we are atheists, not idiots.

 

[Godobeyer]

Atheism is not an ideology. There are ideologies that connect to or else make a point of rejecting atheism in some way or another, but that is an entirely different thing.

Atheism should not be hidden, but unfortunately it is so deeply misunderstood by many that sometimes there is no choice.

As for it being hard to understand... I fear this whole topic shows that there are many who misunderstand it to a ludicruous degree.

atheism is idea ? or opinion ? or based on science theories ? or religion ?

 

[Godobeyer]

It's insulting the intelligence of anyone with more than a double-digit IQ, Godobeyer. Please try to keep in mind, we are atheists, not idiots.

And you proud that you are atheists ?

Just kiding , I watch his video I don't find he insult atheists, he criticized.

the main subject of video is about that some atheists becomes atheists because they disgusting religions so they blamed religions for crimes done by theists in this age

He said the atheist follow their false god which they called "randomness" ,"by chance". is this insult ?

he called it , a very dangerous trick " give it a name" .

 

[LuisDantas]

atheism is idea ? or opinion ? or based on science theories ? or religion ?

Atheism is just a lack of belief in any deities. It is almost entirely unremarkable.

People often assume otherwise, mostly because there is such a strong pressure for belief in many societies. But the reality is very simple.

 

[LuisDantas]

And you proud that you are atheists ?

Just kiding , I watch his video I don't find he insult atheists, he criticized.

He is not even trying. His targets are fictional beings, which I doubt exist in reality. I doubt such people could even be shaped into existing if someone made it a goal to create them, even.

the main subject of video is about that some atheists becomes atheists because they disgusting religions so they blamed religions for crimes done by theists in this age

I can see why he would want to believe that.

I suppose that could happen sometimes, but he is sorely abusing that, by presenting it as somehow typical and using it as a distraction, a means for promoting dangerous delusions. People might think he is presenting some approximation of reality, and he definitely is not.

He is doing a serious misservice to everyone that bothers to listen to him, theist and atheist alike.

He said the atheist follow their false god which they called "randomness" ,"by chance". is this insult ?

Yes, it is. A very gross, uninformed one, at least when coming from someone who claims to know what he is talking about.

he called it , a very dangerous trick " give it a name" .

And that was stupid of him. Deeply stupid.

 

[McBell]

So agree with me ,that you are arrogant more than modest ?

No, I do not agre.
However, I do not disagree.
I can understand why you would think I am more arrogant than modest.
However, how does one measure modesty and arrogance?

How can you honestly claim I am more arrogant than modest when you only know what I post here and nothing about me outside of here?

Where exactly you find that I made arrogance statement, or being arrogant ?

This thread.

Now explain to me why you find Dr Adnan is arrogance , despite you don't discuss his points .

He has not made any valid points, yet you and he both claim his nonsense is truth.
How is that not arrogance born from ignorance?

I find it arrogance that you did not discuss his ideas , just make prejugding , and insult.

I find it amusing that you think his video is worth anything other than ridicule....
I gave in reply much more than he offered up in the video.

And several other members gave much more in reply than I gave.

 

[McBell]

atheism is idealogy not something to hide or hard to understand.

And yet you, Dr Ibaham, and Feargod reveal gross ignorance of atheism.....

 

[Sapiens]

Was this directed to me?

Of course not.

 

[Sapiens]

My thread is already hijacked from first post by @LuisDantas when he said Dr Adnan is clueless but he did not gave evidences . , some others said " No I did not watch the video " ,

Much arrogance and prejudge used by some people which hijacked the threads too.

But, the fact is that Adnan is clueless, as demonstrated by his video and your post. That's not a hijack, that's a fact.

 

[YmirGF]

Yet another train-wreck of a thread...

Note to our Muslim friends: Don't bring a butter knife to a gun fight.

 

[Godobeyer]

He is not even trying. His targets are fictional beings, which I doubt exist in reality. I doubt such people could even be shaped into existing if someone made it a goal to create them, even.

Indeed, I do believe Atheism is build on non sense, when it's claim by "accident and randomness" which made life.
He is not his fault he explain that.

I can see why he would want to believe that.

I suppose that could happen sometimes, but he is sorely abusing that, by presenting it as somehow typical and using it as a distraction, a means for promoting dangerous delusions. People might think he is presenting some approximation of reality, and he definitely is not.

Do you agree with him that many atheist left religion , because they thought religion is bring voilence , 9/11 ....etc ?

He is doing a serious misservice to everyone that bothers to listen to him, theist and atheist alike.

For theist I doublt about that especially Muslims.

Yes, it is. A very gross, uninformed one, at least when coming from someone who claims to know what he is talking about.

Why, its bother you since you don't believe in creation, in first place ?

And that was stupid of him. Deeply stupid.

proof it's smart .

 

[FearGod]

And yet you, Dr Ibaham, and Feargod reveal gross ignorance of atheism.....

Is there any other meaning to Atheism than not believing in God/s?

 

[Godobeyer]

And yet you, Dr Ibaham, and Feargod reveal gross ignorance of atheism.....

Atheism is build on ignorance called "randomness, accident".

No, I do not agre.
However, I do not disagree.

you called Dr Adnan what ?

I can understand why you would think I am more arrogant than modest.

I do believe that strongly,that you are arrogance more than modest so far.

However, how does one measure modesty and arrogance?

It's about personal opinion,when they communicate with people

How can you honestly claim I am more arrogant than modest when you only know what I post here and nothing about me outside of here?

I mean here in RF.

This thread.

proof?

He has not made any valid points, yet you and he both claim his nonsense is truth.
How is that not arrogance born from ignorance?

the truth is
He examine the nonsense of "randomness , and natural selection, accident".

find it amusing that you think his video is worth anything other than ridicule....
I gave in reply much more than he offered up in the video.



And several other members gave much more in reply than I gave.

It's not the problem about whom ignore the truth,the problem is about whom hate the truth .

 

[LuisDantas]

@Godobeyer , atheism was never built on "belief in randomness". That is really overthinking it.

Atheism is as spontaneous as it gets. It needs no justification or even explanation.

It is terrible for both theist and atheists that the likes of Adnan Ibrahim say such misguided lies as if they believe in them (and there is a good chance that they do indeed).

People's beliefs have consequences.

It's not the problem about whom ignore the truth,the problem is about whom hate the truth .

Who do you think fits that description? Adnan Ibrahim, perhaps? He certainly sounds like either a stranger to and/or an enemy of truth.

 

[McBell]

Atheism is build on ignorance called "randomness, accident".

thank you for further demonstrating not only my point, but your gross ignorance of atheism.

you called Dr Adnan what ?

I haven't called him anything.

I do believe that strongly,that you are arrogance more than modest so far.

You are free to believe what ever you like.

I mean here.

Ah, so you are merely "putting a name to it" like dr Ibaham whines about in the video?

proof?

your posts in this thread.

the truth is
He examine the nonsense of "randomness , and natural selection, accident".

I call bull ****.
His video shows he has no idea what he is talking about.

It's not the problem about whom ignore the truth,the problem is about whom hate the truth .

How the hell would either of you know?
It isn't like he has any truth in his video.
At this point I strongly suspect neither one of you would know the truth if it spit in your eye, slapped your ***, and called you "Daddy".

 

[McBell]

Indeed, I do believe Atheism is build on non sense, when it's claim by "accident and randomness" which made life.
He is not his fault he explain that.

Do you agree with him that many atheist left religion , because they thought religion is bring voilence , 9/11 ....etc ?

For theist I doublt about that especially Muslims.

Why, its bother you since you don't believe in creation, in first place ?

proof it's smart .

At this point it looks as though all you are doing is comment the opposite of you reply to.

 

[McBell]

Is there any other meaning to Atheism than not believing in God/s?

Atheism is merely the lack of belief in a deity.

 

[LuisDantas]

Let's try going back to the transcription of the video, painstakingly supplied by YmirGF, and commenting it paragraph by paragraph.

Although that is really giving it a lot more effort than it has ever earned.

(...)
Nothing that has to do with real science is on their side. They are just lies and delusions. They make them up and give them names. And beware of this trick my brothers and sisters, the trick of "give it a name". We have quoted Nietzsche before "naming is authority". Of course this is the authority of scientists, scientific communities, circles, peer reviewed journals, and respected scientific committees. It they give something a name you must submit to it. This is a trick and a lie, committed by even great scientists, "Give it a name" and we will believe it afterwards.

Here he is lying, insulting, encouraging obscurantist thought and being naive at the same time. Some accomplishment.

A real scientist would never stoop quite so low.

They tell you "the origin of life is not that complicated" It is complication in itself. It is the greatest challenge to biological sciences and is one of the greatest challenges facing all atheistic minds, we say this confidently, not oratorically or metaphorically but scientifically and philosophically one of the greatest challenges, in my view, after the challenge of the mystery of the origin of the universe. How did it originate, my brothers, with all the fine-tuning and precision that we've spoken about several times before this is the first challenge.

Conflating biological research with atheism out of sheer prejudice without regard to reality. Then he spices it up with some gratuitous mistification.

No hint of even any attempt at speaking about truth here.

That is why a very well know philosopher of science, Richard Swinburne, he said, "before they even talk about life and its origin, and how life has evolved on micro and macro levels.... ... before they talk about all this, they must answer the question on how did the universe originate?" and the universe did not originate randomly or by chance, but by a precise plan that is inconceivable to the mind of a human even if this human was a great Sufi (Islamic mystic). It is almost inconceivable, my brothers, and the mathematical models say this is how the universe originated and here there is no room for talk of natural selection, there were no millions and billions of universes for chance to select from and what do we mean by selection? Natural? This only works on the biological field and on the field of singularities.

I won't assume that he is fairly representing Swinburne's ideas, but in any case it is certainly possible to discuss biology without having any need to discuss the origins of the universe.

And again, it is just arrogance to presume that people can't in good faith simply doubt that the universe was meant to be.

Then he goes on to presume to have the authority to say that natural selection does not exist, even as he misrepresents it. That is foolish at best, but more likely dishonest. He is a proud fool, attempting to impress others with his arrogant ignorance. If he has any education at all he knows full well that natural selection is a biological idea, not a cosmological one, yet he conflates the two for drammatic effect. That is ugly and dishonest.

The first seed of the universe. They used to call it the egg but it is still billions of times smaller than an egg, smaller than any sub-atomic particles by billions of times it is almost non-existence. "Give us an answer" says Richard Swinburne, who is one of the greatest philosophers of science in the 2nd half of the 20th century. Answer the question about the mystery of the universe first then you can talk about the evolution of species by natural selection, randomness and mutations. Be careful, you must be methodical so you do not fall in the "will of atheism" simply wanting to be atheist and that's it.

No idea what is this egg he is talking about. At this point he is not even attempting to appear coherent any longer.

Anyways, a person wanting to be an atheist is a matter that requires, at least on a personal level, that the should reconsider his stance and considerations because he might have disbelieved on a psychological or social basis not a rational scientific and philosophical basis. You cannot tamper with your eternal fate just to take revenge on society or on the priests and the clergy who have hurt you in the name of God and religion. Be careful you cannot play this ridiculous and foolish game. you must search well within yourself because the mind does not help you and science is not on your side and logic can never support your position. You have to take the matter very seriously. This is not a game.

Translation: "I neither understand atheists nor do I want to begin to try. It is so much more confortable to misrepresent them in an intensely arrogant, prejudiced way!"

This guy is lying outright about atheists here. It is even worse if he is somehow being sincere while so doing.

 

[Godobeyer]

thank you for further demonstrating not only my point, but your gross ignorance of atheism.

I meant yours atheism, whom claim that like is about evolution of randomness and accident.

I haven't called him anything.

Good .

You are free to believe what ever you like.

Of course every is free to believe , I believe many here agree on that too.

Ah, so you are merely "putting a name to it" like dr Ibaham whines about in the video?

Where is the arrogance with that ?

your posts in this thread.

which one ?

I call bull ****.
His video shows he has no idea what he is talking about.

He actualy had.

How the hell would either of you know?
It isn't like he has any truth in his video.
At this point I strongly suspect neither one of you would know the truth if it spit in your eye, slapped your ***, and called you "Daddy".

I know ,exaclty as you convinced that "randomness/natural selection,accident " is created you.