Dr Adnan Ibrahim on Emotional Atheism

[Pudding]

Do have doubt about that ?

The statement "atheist believe the universe is created by randomness/chance" is ambiguous, does the "atheist" refer to all atheist or some atheist?
I'll answer your question after it have been clarify .

Because that's the commun respond ,when someone asked an atheist about life.
I can say "most" than ?

Please rewrite and rephrase your sentence, i cannot understand what you're talking about.

I think so.do you have other opinion ?

I have no idea "what things" you're thinking so, can you help to clarify?
What other opinion about what, are you asking me about?

 

[Pudding]

You give me sentence that you find difficult to understand or nonsense , I will try to explain it to you.

Okay, if i got the time/interest to do so and i find such sentence i'll let you know.
Please be also aware that you're the first one to mention there is such sentence, not me. I ask you to cite those sentence out but you reject.

 

[FearGod]

Please be generous to make correction to those statement which "lost meaning arise by language boundaries", if people can't understand what he is talking about due to language boundaries then how can people disagree with his "still waiting to be decipher lost meaning statement"?

Dr. Adnan concerns were about the Arab atheism hence he isn't interested in translating his speeches to English
even though he speaks English among others.

 

[Pudding]

Dr. Adnan concerns were about the Arab atheism hence he isn't interested in translating his speeches to English
even though he speaks English among others.

Okay, you've no interest to provide an accurate translation about his speeches, we've to rely on an inadequate translation to make guessing what he is actually talking about, how effective do you think is the communication (as in people understand what he is talking about) provide the translation is inadequate?

So Dr. Adnan's audience is towards Arab atheism, there we got an inadequate translation for his speeches in the video link in the op for the people in this forum to discuss it in english language, what gives?
We have to rely on that inadequate translation to guess what he is actually talking about? It's a puzzle game?

 

[Godobeyer]

Okay, if i got the time/interest to do so and i find such sentence i'll let you know.
Please be also aware that you're the first one to mention there is such sentence, not me. I ask you to cite those sentence out but you reject.

How I suppose to know which one you don't understand ? you suppose to cite !

 

[Pudding]

How I suppose to know which one you don't understand ? you suppose to cite !

It turns out that you're aware there're such sentence but you don't know which sentence it is, i mistakingly assume you know.

 

[Godobeyer]

It turns out that you're aware there're such sentence but you don't know which sentence it is, i mistakingly assume you know.

Its long text , how I suppose to know which sentence you don't understood?

You quote ,we clarify

 

[Pudding]

Its long text , how I suppose to know which sentence you don't understood?

You quote ,we clarify

No, i haven't claim i don't understand. I haven't thorougly inspected it yet.
You're the one who claim that there're such sentence and i mistakingly assume you know but it turns out you don't know.

 

[YmirGF]

No, i haven't claim i don't understand. I haven't thorougly inspected it yet.
You're the one who claim that there're such sentence and i mistakingly assume you know but it turns out you don't know.

You'll eventually get used to this sort of thing, Pudding. It's par for the course, really.

The bottom line is the ideas put forth in the 2 videos are simply nonsense. For some reason or other both Feargod and godobeyer seem to think that excellent points were made in both video which is troubling, putting it mildly. Refer to FearGod's wonderful (and highly ironic) signature.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Dr. Adnan concerns were about the Arab atheism hence he isn't interested in translating his speeches to English
even though he speaks English among others.

In most Arab countries, atheism is illegal and apostasy is often punishable by death. The atheists in these countries mostly keep their atheism secret out of fear for their safety. They would have good reason to mistrust a religious person like Dr. Adnan, so his position on Arab atheism is almost certainly misinformed.

 

[Godobeyer]

No, i haven't claim i don't understand. I haven't thorougly inspected it yet.
You're the one who claim that there're such sentence and i mistakingly assume you know but it turns out you don't know.

Ok
you understand it ? which part that you found nonsense ?

 

[YmirGF]

In most Arab countries, atheism is illegal and apostasy is often punishable by death. The atheists in these countries mostly keep their atheism secret out of fear for their safety. They would have good reason to mistrust a religious person like Dr. Adnan, so his position on Arab atheism is almost certainly misinformed.

That is a very, very good point, Penguin. One does not trot about loudly proclaiming ones atheism in a Muslim majority country. It is not conducive to longevity.

 

[Godobeyer]

That is a very, very good point, Penguin. One does not trot about loudly proclaiming ones atheism in a Muslim majority country. It is not conducive to longevity.

I am affraid that soon future US and West, the Muslims/Islam will not be welcome there.
Innocent Muslims would suffered from being suspected .

Police Bodycam Video Shows Arab Man Mistaken As Member Of ISIS

 

[YmirGF]

I am affraid that soon future US and West, the Muslims/Islam will not be welcome there.
Innocent Muslims would suffered from being suspected .

Police Bodycam Video Shows Arab Man Mistaken As Member Of ISIS

Oh, poor baby. You do realize that the unfortunate man can probably sue those officers into oblivion, right? And likely sue the hotel owner and attendant who called the police, right?

 

[Godobeyer]

Oh, poor baby. You do realize that the unfortunate man can probably sue those officers into oblivion, right? And likely sue the hotel owner and attendant who called the police, right?

I don't know,if they will be justice with him.

I mean in general there is much harasement toward Muslims in West, especially the calling of Trump to ban Muslims to access to US, and to spy/follow on them.

 

[LuisDantas]

I am affraid that soon future US and West, the Muslims/Islam will not be welcome there.
Innocent Muslims would suffered from being suspected .

To some extent that is already a reality. A sad reality, but not entirely surprising once one realizes how difficult the dialog has been and how little perspective of improvement there is.

 

[FearGod]

In most Arab countries, atheism is illegal and apostasy is often punishable by death. The atheists in these countries mostly keep their atheism secret out of fear for their safety. They would have good reason to mistrust a religious person like Dr. Adnan, so his position on Arab atheism is almost certainly misinformed.

Not true, the quran speaks about the believers and the disbelievers which means that both do exists
and will exist till the last days.

 

[LuisDantas]

Not true, the quran speaks about the believers and the disbelievers which means that both do exists
and will exist till the last days.

Sure. The trick is in being allowed to survive under Sharia...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Not true, the quran speaks about the believers and the disbelievers which means that both do exists
and will exist till the last days.

Of course they exist. I'm saying that an Arab atheist speaking to a religious Arab would often be risking their lives if they were too open, so a religious Arab is not in a good position to have good information about Arab atheists.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't know,if they will be justice with him.

I mean in general there is much harasement toward Muslims in West, especially the calling of Trump to ban Muslims to access to US, and to spy/follow on them.

That is indeed unfair.

But it is also becoming increasingly understandable, even unavoidable, when one considers how unreasonable Muslim communities can be.

One can't very well ignore the calls for violence and hatred, and it does not help that the usual reaction is not any significant effort to warn and educate the extremist groups, but instead depressingly predictable efforts to denounce them as "fake" Muslims or even excuse them entirely (as usually happens when Palestinians are discussed).

I used to be more critical of distrust of Muslims, but I can't very well ignore the facts and the evidence.