Dr Adnan Ibrahim on Emotional Atheism

[Pudding]

Ok
you understand it ? which part that you found nonsense ?

I say i haven't claim i don't understand because i haven't thorougly inspected it yet.
Neither have i said i found any part which i deem to be nonsense.
If i got the time/interest to do so and i find such sentence i'll let you know.

 

[FearGod]

He should be thrilled at the idea as that would imply that his much awaited Judgment Day cannot be too far off.

In some countries yes that maybe true, they judge as if they were God while God supposed is testing
us and expected us to make sins and to repent.

 

[FearGod]

A religion that forbids itself from taking care against abuse is very much to blame.

How it forbids itself, would you pls clarify?

 

[LuisDantas]

How it forbids itself, would you pls clarify?

By insisting that the letter of the scripture must be considered perfect no matter what, mainly. And by having that scripture be little more than an appeal to surrender to God's Will.

Taken in isolation, either is a serious mistake that any self-respecting religion should ward itself against. Together, they become a terrible "perfect storm" combining the worst of both dangers. Religious discernment loses its space to obsession towards scripture, and religious wisdom is muscled out by blind devotion to God.

It is very difficult for a religion not to lose its way under such circunstances. As the facts show us all too well, alas.

 

[FearGod]

By insisting that the letter of the scripture must be considered perfect no matter what, mainly. And by having that scripture be little more than an appeal to surrender to God's Will.

Taken in isolation, either is a serious mistake that any self-respecting religion should ward itself against. Together, they become a terrible "perfect storm" combining the worst of both dangers. Religious discernment loses its space to obsession towards scripture, and religious wisdom is muscled out by blind devotion to God.

It is very difficult for a religion not to lose its way under such circunstances. As the facts show us all too well, alas.

If i were a Muslim in Brazil and then decided to be an Atheist, will the Brazilian Muslims kill me in Brazil?

 

[Milton Platt]

Hello all

I like how he describe the delusion of atheism by "give it a name"

Sorry, but he is just all hot air and no substance. The Universe did not happen by chance. That is an old straw man argument. It was guided by fairly well understood physical and chemical laws. He gives no "evidence" to refute. Just a string of unsupported opinions.

 

[Godobeyer]

If i were a Muslim in Brazil and then decided to be an Atheist, will the Brazilian Muslims kill me in Brazil?

They will kick you ***
just kidding

 

[Milton Platt]

If i were a Muslim in Brazil and then decided to be an Atheist, will the Brazilian Muslims kill me in Brazil?

Would not that depend upon first, all Muslims in Brazil being aware of your change of belief and second, that there are any Muslims in Brazil who think that this is punishable by death? Answer those two questions and you have the answer to your own question.

 

[Milton Platt]

Where again ?

telling opinion (disagreement) about something without insert argument deny it,thats probably insane.

There is an utter lack of understanding of science, and an adherence to superstition that is obvious. Where is his supporting evidence for his suppositions?

 

[LuisDantas]

If i were a Muslim in Brazil and then decided to be an Atheist, will the Brazilian Muslims kill me in Brazil?

Kill? No. How much of the reason is due to the absence of Sharia here is too speculative for me to say.

I expect that it would cut me off from the Muslim social circles entirely, or nearly so, though. I have reason to believe I would not be allowed to marry a Muslim woman, either. I don't know what would happen if I were already married with a Muslimah... perhaps I would "just" be pressured to lie about it and pretend to still be a believer?

 

[Shad]

No ,evolution is claims about that, there is no evidence

Actually there is a lot of evidence, enroll in a university in a modern nation not within the grips of religious fanatics.

one cell become two and so structure a body , by it's own intelligence.

Cells have no intelligence since cells have no brain. Another fine example of you having no idea what you are talking about.

No, I don't contradicted my self , just my point not receive well.

No you talked about primary intelligence demand science address it then admit it can't. That is a contradiction.

Had evolution process an back up intelligent ? if your anwser is "yes" , where that come from ?

This is nonsense as evolution is a process not a thing with intelligence..

Whatever , since it's not fact, name it as you want.

Im calling it what it is, a model that has produced results. Facts are data, a model explains facts. You just have no idea what you are talking about so are obvious to the terminology

Dr Adnan called that "Give it a name"

A useless statement. His source never said that and he is taking it out of context to support his presupposition. The statement can also be used against Islam since people give it a name such as God's book.

There would be a time in future , all these actual theories of evolution would be rejected(corrected) , I am right ?

No idea.

A hypothetical future is not an argument. Anyone can do it. "In the future Muslims will realize Islam is man-made so will reject it." See how such speculation can work in anyone's favour?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Assuming this is right, then why to blame religion if misused by some?

First off: you're changing the subject. Before we go on, I want to make sure you understand my point: you do see why an Arab atheist might want to keep his atheism secret, don't you?

That out of the way: I think we're using the word "religion" differently. To me, a religion is a community of shared belief. Whether those beliefs are right or wrong, it's still a genuine religion. I suspect that when you talk about religion being "misused", you're describing a situation where people are sincerely following their religion, but you disagree with that religion.

 

[LuisDantas]

That out of the way: I think we're using the word "religion" differently. To me, a religion is a community of shared belief. Whether those beliefs are right or wrong, it's still a genuine religion. I suspect that when you talk about religion being "misused", you're describing a situation where people are sincerely following their religion, but you disagree with that religion.

Another possibility is that he is trusting God to guide people who are sincere into the right path and beliefs. That might be admirable if it were not at odds with facts.

 

[FearGod]

First off: you're changing the subject. Before we go on, I want to make sure you understand my point: you do see why an Arab atheist might want to keep his atheism secret, don't you?

That out of the way: I think we're using the word "religion" differently. To me, a religion is a community of shared belief. Whether those beliefs are right or wrong, it's still a genuine religion. I suspect that when you talk about religion being "misused", you're describing a situation where people are sincerely following their religion, but you disagree with that religion.

I disagree with people and not religion, do you think all Muslims are following the ISIS and have the
same ideas of them because of same religion, not true

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I disagree with people and not religion, do you think all Muslims are following the ISIS and have the
same ideas of them because of same religion, not true

No, I don't think that all Muslims agree. There are many denominations within Islam.

 

[LuisDantas]

I disagree with people and not religion, do you think all Muslims are following the ISIS and have the
same ideas of them because of same religion, not true

I wonder how you possibly could have drawn such an odd conclusion.

 

[FearGod]

No, I don't think that all Muslims agree. There are many denominations within Islam.

That shows us how people distort the reality and religion including inventing Atheism as a one choice,
that's why I disagree with people.

 

[FearGod]

I wonder how you possibly could have drawn such an odd conclusion.

Nothing odd about it, i don't follow people but my mind.

 

[LuisDantas]

Nothing odd about it, i don't follow people but my mind.

And yet you say such disconnected things?

 

[LuisDantas]

That shows us how people distort the reality and religion including inventing Atheism as a one choice,
that's why I disagree with people.

Atheism was not invented. Theism was.