Dr Adnan Ibrahim on Emotional Atheism

[Godobeyer]

Hello all

I like how he describe the delusion of atheism by "give it a name"

 

[LuisDantas]

Holy gosh. The guy is entirely clueless about biology and even worse about atheism.

He does not seem to have learned much at all even about the basic concept of science.

I feel sorry for him. He is the opposite of an educator.

I am so sorry, @Godobeyer, but the entire video is considerably worse than useless. He is stuck on superstitions and does not seem to realize it. It is almost like his goal is to say nothing of any value.

 

[FearGod]

Holy gosh. The guy is entirely clueless about biology and even worse about atheism.

He does not seem to have learned much at all even about the basic concept of science.

I feel sorry for him. He is the opposite of an educator.

I am so sorry, @Godobeyer, but the entire video is considerably worse than useless. He is stuck on superstitions and does not seem to realize it. It is almost like his goal is to say nothing of any value.

LOL, because he says the truth, i know it annoyed you and the disbelievers, nothing new.

 

[LuisDantas]

There is almost literally no truth whatsoever in what he says, @FearGod . I mean it. You should be aware of that.

I truly feel sorry for him, and even more for those who do not know better than to believe him. It is a real shame.

I fear the consequences if your impression is somehow typical. Because I believe that you are sincere, and that bodes very ill indeed for the relations between Muslims and non-Muslims in the foreseeable future.

It is just not at all reasonable to treat such fanatical, uninformed views as if they deserved any respect. They do not. None whatsoever.

 

[FearGod]

There is almost literally no truth whatsoever in what he says, @FearGod . I mean it. You should be aware of that.

I truly feel sorry for him, and even more for those who do not know better than to believe him. It is a real shame.

I fear the consequences if your impression is somehow typical. Because I believe that you are sincere, and that bodes very ill indeed for the relations between Muslims and non-Muslims in the foreseeable future.

It is just not at all reasonable to treat such fanatical, uninformed views as if they deserved any respect. They do not. None whatsoever.

So let's discuss the mistakes that he did.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Hello all

I like how he describe the delusion of atheism by "give it a name"

I made a thread some months ago on why people became atheists are barely anyone mentioned studying science or being enthralled by facts but mostly mentioned not having any religious understanding or being brought up by a family where religion was never really an issue etc.

So I agree, emotional atheism is the correct term.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I made a thread some months ago on why people became atheists are barely anyone mentioned studying science or being enthralled by facts but mostly mentioned not having any religious understanding or being brought up by a family where religion was never really an issue etc.

So I agree, emotional atheism is the correct term.

What about those who are brought up in devout religious families and understand their former religion but become atheists? What is the correct term for those, in your view?

 

[LuisDantas]

How typical of Muslims is your attitude? You two have no idea how far from anything resembling reality you are. To say you are mistaken about atheism is a gross understatement.

 

[Altfish]

I made a thread some months ago on why people became atheists are barely anyone mentioned studying science or being enthralled by facts but mostly mentioned not having any religious understanding or being brought up by a family where religion was never really an issue etc.

So I agree, emotional atheism is the correct term.

I didn't see that thread but I certainly was brought up with Christianity at school and to a lesser extent at home but then when I began to learn about science I also began questioning religious assertions which led to me becoming an atheist.
I still don't really get this term 'emotional atheism' is it anything like 'strident atheism' or 'militant atheism'?

 

[McBell]

How typical of Muslims is your attitude? You two have no idea how far from anything resembling reality you are. To say you are mistaken about atheism is a gross understatement.

I sincerely hope they are the exception and not the rule.

Not sure which is worse, that they think the tripe in the OP video has any resemblance to reality or that they have stuck their head in the sand and flat out refuse to even contemplate they might possibly be wrong even a teeny tiny bit.

 

[FearGod]

What about those who are brought up in devout religious families and understand their former religion but become atheists? What is the correct term for those, in your view?

Misleaded.

 

[Godobeyer]

Holy gosh. The guy is entirely clueless about biology and even worse about atheism.

He does not seem to have learned much at all even about the basic concept of science.

I feel sorry for him. He is the opposite of an educator.

I am so sorry, @Godobeyer, but the entire video is considerably worse than useless. He is stuck on superstitions and does not seem to realize it. It is almost like his goal is to say nothing of any value.

Where again ?

telling opinion (disagreement) about something without insert argument deny it,thats probably insane.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Misleaded.

But many of the arguments I see presented in favor of theism lack evidence to support them, and their logical reasoning tends to be flawed as well. If something doesn't convince you because it is based on misunderstandings and misconceptions, does that mean you are "misled"?

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

What about those who are brought up in devout religious families and understand their former religion but become atheists? What is the correct term for those, in your view?

They are extremely rare, on this forum and in reality.

However, I was interested in something you said, which I highlighted. If one understands their religion and I mean truly understands and decides to reject it, with that rejection being based on some sound logic and investigation, then I would call them a respectable person, a seeker of truth who has just started his or her journey.

 

[FearGod]

But many of the arguments I see presented in favor of theism lack evidence to support them, and their logical reasoning tends to be flawed as well. If something doesn't convince you because it is based on misunderstandings and misconceptions, does that mean you are "misled"?

Why you need an evidence from the theists or their arguments?

 

[Debater Slayer]

They are extremely rare, on this forum and in reality.

I wouldn't say so. It has actually been my impression that many atheists reject their former religion because they understand it and not the opposite. There are many who don't understand it, sure, but I don't think the ones who do are rare, let alone extremely rare.

However, I was interested in something you said, which I highlighted. If one understands their religion and I mean truly understands and decides to reject it, with that rejection being based on some sound logic and investigation, then I would call them a respectable person, a seeker of truth who has just started his or her journey.

I agree. I feel the same way about theists who do their best to search before concluding anything and then arrive at theism, except if they end up holding hateful beliefs.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Why you need an evidence from the theists or their arguments?

In this case? Because a theist preacher is presenting some of those arguments as statements about atheism. If he's going to make claims and assumptions about an entire group publicly, he should be able to defend his arguments with evidence and logic.

 

[FearGod]

In this case? Because a theist preacher is presenting some of those arguments as statements about atheism. If he's going to make claims and assumptions about an entire group publicly, he should be able to defend his arguments with evidence and logic.

Check the evidences yourself, go back billions of years ago and see what had happened.

 

[LuisDantas]

Where again ?

telling opinion (disagreement) about something without insert argument deny it,thats probably insane.

There is not enough there to even discuss, sorry.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Check the evidences yourself, go back billions of years ago and see what had happened.

I could say the same thing to theists who find atheism unconvincing, but that's not an argument by itself. I'd also need to explain why I think going back billions of years ago was evidence for anything, be it atheism or theism.