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Draw Muhammad day

Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
LeftishBritInPA said:
I completely agree, Troubled. I can't tell you how many xtians there are that say the same about je$us. imagine - loving some 1st century carpenter who claimed to be his own father more than your own mother or your brother or sister. To me, freedom is more sacred than any god or prophet. We must be allowed to draw pictures of je$us or m0hammed without any penalty, without any retribution. Only when the insults, persecution and demonization of atheists has stopped will the should "offensive" cartoons stop. Draw m0hammed day is a celebration of free speech, of western ideals. It is encouraging to see people standing as one, refusing to allow the forces of religious bigotry to mow us down with bullets of hate or bombs of malice. Our resolve will not be lessened by religious bigots who do not understand basic human rights. The right to question dogma and the right to be free from religion.
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Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
No one should be feel obligated to feign reverence for things they feel aren't worthy of it, nor should they be intimidated into doing so by disproportionate responses of injustice and savagery.
 
arthra

arthra

Baha'i
Flankerl said:
Religious figures have been mocked in the western world for quite some time. If you live here and dont like that its your fault for living here in the first place.

When in Rome...


But of course you are free to rampage through your own countries. Its not my tourism that will be affected.
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Well ya know I live in the West and my roots go back a long time and it's still offensive to me to see people mock and degrade other peoples' religions.. The same argument was used when people demonstarted against the Vietnam war back in the sixties...If you don't like it go somewhere else... You know what happened to Rome...?
 
ImmortalFlame

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
arthra said:
Well ya know I live in the West and my roots go back a long time and it's still offensive to me to see people mock and degrade other peoples' religions..
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But the question is this: do you think that it is reasonable for some Muslims to get so upset over somebody drawing a picture of Muhammed (caricature or otherwise) that they would kill people? Do you think that is an adequate response?
 
Flankerl

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
arthra said:
Well ya know I live in the West and my roots go back a long time and it's still offensive to me to see people mock and degrade other peoples' religions.. The same argument was used when people demonstarted against the Vietnam war back in the sixties...If you don't like it go somewhere else... You know what happened to Rome...?
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The problem is that its not about degrading another religion.
For muslims its simply forbidden to draw Mohammad. Even if its in a completely neutral way.

There was this fun picture in the Jyllands Posten where Muhammad stands in front of heaven and tells all the suicide bombers tp stop because they have run out of virgins.
Its also interesting to know that muslims in the muslim world drew the most offensive cartoons of muhammad to rile up the mob.


Last week in Bonn. Around 30 far right wingers had a "demonstration" and showed Mohammad cartoons. Basically just the one where the head covering of Muhammad is a bomb.
The counter demonstration went crazy and then it was 500 muslims mainly salafists versus the police.
Two police officers were stabbed. Over 20 others injured.

A few days before the riot in Bonn it was the same in Solingen. Again two dozen far right wingers had their little demonstration and the other side went completely mad.

And this wont go away. It will happen again and again.
 
Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Flankerl said:
The problem is that its not about degrading another religion.
For muslims its simply forbidden to draw Mohammad. Even if its in a completely neutral way.

There was this fun picture in the Jyllands Posten where Muhammad stands in front of heaven and tells all the suicide bombers tp stop because they have run out of virgins.
Its also interesting to know that muslims in the muslim world drew the most offensive cartoons of muhammad to rile up the mob.


Last week in Bonn. Around 30 far right wingers had a "demonstration" and showed Mohammad cartoons. Basically just the one where the head covering of Muhammad is a bomb.
The counter demonstration went crazy and then it was 500 muslims mainly salafists versus the police.
Two police officers were stabbed. Over 20 others injured.

A few days before the riot in Bonn it was the same in Solingen. Again two dozen far right wingers had their little demonstration and the other side went completely mad.

And this wont go away. It will happen again and again.
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You'd expect a smart person not to enter a tigers cage after it bites him for the first time.

And you are making it sound as though those 'far right' people did nothing wrong and so 'little' that Muslims should not have done anything. A tiger bites you know. But I still disagree with killing an innocent person just because he is of the same nationality or even a blood related relative to the offender.
 
arthra

arthra

Baha'i
"The problem is that its not about degrading another religion.
For muslims its simply forbidden to draw Mohammad. Even if its in a completely neutral way."

I don't know Flankerl..I don't see how you can say "..its not about degrading another religion" ... when having/using images .."drawing Muhammad" is offensive.

If you know someone has strong feeling about such representations then why do it? Why go out of your way to offend people?
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
Don't you just love it when someone who glorifies the crusades and wallows in Islamophobic drivel deigns to instruct others on the proper forms of worship?
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Huh,who's glorifying the Crusades?,funny i wouldn't dream of telling anyone how to worship seeing as i wouldn't have a clue how to :p
 
ImmortalFlame

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
eselam said:
And you are making it sound as though those 'far right' people did nothing wrong and so 'little' that Muslims should not have done anything.
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Should they? Is a cartoon caricature really deserving murdering police officers over? Is that what you are saying?

eselam said:
A tiger bites you know. But I still disagree with killing an innocent person just because he is of the same nationality or even a blood related relative to the offender.
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Then how can you possibly try and legitimize their response? The point isn't that the right-wingers were correct in trying to anger Muslims - the point is that people should be free to express their freedom of speech without putting other people's lives at risk. Do you not think that such a disgustingly over-the-top and (frankly) barbaric response does not indicate some kind of serious issues at the heart of such extreme Muslim beliefs?
 
beenie

beenie

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I firmly object to killing anyone, or even calling for the killing of anyone who draws a cartoon of anyone. While I may find it objectionable, it's no reason to get violent. The stronger person verbally protests and moves on.

eselam said:
Let me say this out in the open from the beginning. I think you are being dishonest and are just sugar coating your posts.
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eselam said:
I very much dislike dishonest people.
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Having said that, I agree with both of these posts regarding the OP's post too.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
eselam said:
You'd expect a smart person not to enter a tigers cage after it bites him for the first time.

And you are making it sound as though those 'far right' people did nothing wrong and so 'little' that Muslims should not have done anything. A tiger bites you know. But I still disagree with killing an innocent person just because he is of the same nationality or even a blood related relative to the offender.
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It's fitting that you use a savage animal as your analogy. Civilized humans behave themselves far better than do savage animals. Savage animals have no place being loose in civilization. A human knows how to handle being offended, and knows how to respond rationally and proportionately. A tiger belongs either in the wild or the zoo, safely away from direct human contract.
 
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Nooj

Nooj

none
ImmortalFlame said:
Then how can you possibly try and legitimize their response? The point isn't that the right-wingers were correct in trying to anger Muslims - the point is that people should be free to express their freedom of speech without putting other people's lives at risk. Do you not think that such a disgustingly over-the-top and (frankly) barbaric response does not indicate some kind of serious issues at the heart of such extreme Muslim beliefs?
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The extreme Muslim belief that you seem to be talking about is a deep love and respect for their religious leader. How could you criticise that?

"Stop loving your prophet so much"?
 
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