Draw Muhammad day

[England my lionheart]

By the tiger example I meant the fact that Muslims find these drawing offensive and we do react to them. Some go over board, however, we do take big offence by them. So if you don't like us burning buildings and killing innocent people, which shouldn't happen anyway, then stop insulting us. Get it?

So like I said, if you enter the cage and the tiger bites you then next time you know better not to enter it's cage. And in this case you know Muslims get offended so don't offend us.

So in a country where freedom of speech is held as a precious and hard earned right we should watch our P's and Q's where Muslims are concerned to avoid death and destruction,sorry thats not going to work here,Saudi is a good place for that though.

 

[Gharib]

sorry, are you actually claiming there are no arson laws in damascus? That burning down any building is perfectly legal there?

While it is likely the syrian regime did nothing to uphold their laws in that regard, it certainly doesn't make it legal.

.o.k.

 

[Gharib]

So in a country where freedom of speech is held as a precious and hard earned right we should watch our P's and Q's where Muslims are concerned to avoid death and destruction,sorry thats not going to work here,Saudi is a good place for that though.

Yeah mate.

 

[beerisit]

No one said that it was OK to kill innocent people, that was just a question asked to clear things up because some people want Muslim members to say that it is OK to kill innocent people and that will make them happy.

I don't think anyone is asking Muslims to declare that it's OK to kill innocent, but I personally find it offensive to have someone attempt to justify killing innocent people and then threaten that it will happen again if someone draws a picture, should I go out and kill somebody now? Alices restaurant just jumped into my head then, for those who get the connection

 

[ImmortalFlame]

By the tiger example I meant the fact that Muslims find these drawing offensive and we do react to them. Some go over board, however, we do take big offence by them. So if you don't like us burning buildings and killing innocent people, which shouldn't happen anyway, then stop insulting us. Get it?

Do you seriously not see what's wrong with this mentality? "If you upset us, buildings will be burned and innocent people will die - so don't insult us"?

How about:

"Stop killing innocent people and burning buildings just because you take offense at people drawing childish cartoons"?

Now, here's the question: which of the two requests is more reasonable and civilized? If a person threatens to kill you and your family unless you stop practicing or expressing your beliefs - because they find your beliefs offensive - who is in the wrong? Him, for threatening to kill you and your family, or you, for continuing to exercise your beliefs in spite of their threat?

So like I said, if you enter the cage and the tiger bites you then next time you know better not to enter it's cage. And in this case you know Muslims get offended so don't offend us.

"Offense" is not the problem. Killing and harming innocent people because of offense is, and if you're not willing to make any kind of stand against it then you are a part of that as well.

 

[Pastek]

No one said that it was OK to kill innocent people, that was just a question asked to clear things up because some people want Muslim members to say that it is OK to kill innocent people and that will make them happy.

Yes. i was confirming what you said, but maybe i didn't expressed it correclty
Excuse-me, eslam

 

[Gharib]

Yes. i was confirming what you said, but maybe i didn't expressed it correclty
Excuse-me, eslam

Oh sorry sister, I probably didn't realize that, this thread went from 2 pages to 10 in just a few moments and I must have missed your point.

 

[Gharib]

Do you seriously not see what's wrong with this mentality? "If you upset us, buildings will be burned and innocent people will die - so don't insult us"?

How about:

"Stop killing innocent people and burning buildings just because you take offense at people drawing childish cartoons"?

Now, here's the question: which of the two requests is more reasonable and civilized? If a person threatens to kill you and your family unless you stop practicing or expressing your beliefs - because they find your beliefs offensive - who is in the wrong? Him, for threatening to kill you and your family, or you, for continuing to exercise your beliefs in spite of their threat?


"Offense" is not the problem. Killing and harming innocent people because of offense is, and if you're not willing to make any kind of stand against it then you are a part of that as well.

Again going back to killing innocent people, you just cant reply to me without distorting my statements and including the killings in there. How dishonest.

 

[Father Heathen]

By the tiger example I meant the fact that Muslims find these drawing offensive and we do react to them. Some go over board, however, we do take big offence by them. So if you don't like us burning buildings and killing innocent people, which shouldn't happen anyway, then stop insulting us. Get it?

People shouldn't have to surrender their rights and freedoms just because other people respond with irrational, unjust and disproportionate actions. Violent, destructive savages alone are responsible for their own actions. That's all on their hands and reflects upon them alone. The innocent should never yield to those who would victimize them, and the civilized world shouldn't make concessions and sacrifices to appease the savages. They are not entitled to undue reverence and special privileges.

So like I said, if you enter the cage and the tiger bites you then next time you know better not to enter it's cage. And in this case you know Muslims get offended so don't offend us.

I think the problem here is that the tiger doesn't have a cage. And whenever someone is offended by something, it's no one else's problem but their own. If you find something offensive, don't look at it or listen to it. Ignore it, get over it, deal with it, like a rational adult. Simple.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Again going back to killing innocent people, you just cant reply to me without distorting my statements and including the killings in there. How dishonest.

What are you talking about? Where have I distorted anything you said?

Answer my question. Who do you think is in the wrong? The people who threaten to murder if somebody says or does something to offend them, or the person whose beliefs or actions offend those making such a threat?

 

[Gharib]

People shouldn't have to surrender their rights and freedoms just because other people respond with irrational, unjust and disproportionate actions. Violent, destructive savages alone are responsible for their own actions. That's all on their hands and reflects upon them alone. The innocent should never yield to those who would victimize them, and the civilized world shouldn't make concessions and sacrifices to appease the savages. They are not entitled to undue reverence and special privileges.

I think the problem here is that the tiger doesn't have a cage. And whenever someone is offended by something, it's no one else's problem but their own. If you find something offensive, don't look at it or listen to it. Ignore it, get over it, deal with it, like a rational adult. Simple.

OK, thanks for the advice. What else can you teach an uncivilized person like me?

 

[Gharib]

What are you talking about? Where have I distorted anything you said?

Answer my question. Who do you think is in the wrong? The people who threaten to murder if somebody says or does something to offend them, or the person whose beliefs or actions offend those making such a threat?

Your questions are based on that distorted information. I can't answer questions which were derived from something which falsely accuses me.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Your questions are based on that distorted information. I can't answer questions which were derived from something which falsely accuses me.

Falsely accuses you? Where have I accused you of anything other than defending and legitimizing the actions of murders? That's not a false accusation, you said so yourself: if people don't want to cause murder and destruction, they shouldn't offend Muslims.

Now, answer my question. Who is in the wrong?

 

[Father Heathen]

OK, thanks for the advice. What else can you teach an uncivilized person like me?

I was speaking of those who either advocated or resorted to violence and destruction. Are you implying that this includes you?

 

[Gharib]

Falsely accuses you? Where have I accused you of anything other than defending and legitimizing the actions of murders? That's not a false accusation, you said so yourself: if people don't want to get murdered, they shouldn't offend Muslims.

Now, answer my question. Who is in the wrong?

Still being dishonest are we?

Show me where I said "if people don't want to get murdered, they shouldn't offend Muslims".

 

[Gharib]

I was speaking of those who resorted to violence and destruction. Are you implying that this includes you?

What do I know, I'm uncivilized.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Still being dishonest are we?

Show me where I said "if people don't want to get murdered, they shouldn't offend Muslims".

Right here:

if you don't like us burning buildings and killing innocent people, which shouldn't happen anyway, then stop insulting us. Get it?

 

[A Troubled Man]

So if you don't like us burning buildings and killing innocent people, which shouldn't happen anyway, then stop insulting us. Get it?

So like I said, if you enter the cage and the tiger bites you then next time you know better not to enter it's cage. And in this case you know Muslims get offended so don't offend us.

You don't answer direct questions, you call others dishonest, yet you post a threat.

I would like to ask the moderators here who are telling us there are sensitive folks and real humans on the other ends of these posts to let us know if open threats are acceptable behavior here?

 

[Flankerl]

What do I know, I'm uncivilized.

Do you know what a questionmark is?

I was speaking of those who either advocated or resorted to violence and destruction. Are you implying that this includes you?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I would like to ask the moderators here who are telling us there are sensitive folks and real humans on the other ends of these posts to let us know if open threats are acceptable behavior here?

In my opinion, neither open threarts nor bigoted provocation is acceptable behavior. To strive to incite only to wax indignant when you succeed is rank hypocrisy at best.