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Drink Driving....Life In Prison

Scott C.

Just one guy
I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in supernatural, posthumous, cosmic justice.
I say, let's do the best we can in the here and now. I'm not waiting for some fictional character from an old book to make a happy ending.
Tom

I don't know why you felt the need to take a shot at Christianity and what you consider to be a "fictional character from an old book". Does one have to be Christian to believe that such people can change and deserve a chance, even if they were once a complete mess and disaster? Also, in this case, I don't see his incarceration as "justice", as much as I do "protection of the innocent". If I haven't been clear, I don't want him released unless there's clear and compelling evidence of change and that he's no longer a risk.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/We...to-Life-in-Prison-for-10th-DWI-366068451.html
"A 62-year-old Weatherford, Texas man was sentenced to life in prison Wednesday after pleading guilty to ...driving ..."
...
I say this is appropriate, given the danger this guy poses.
But it's harsh.
Too harsh?
Absolutely. I'm always in favor of taking senior citizens off the road. This guy is 2 years overdue. That's a lot of driving past the age limit that he shouldn't have been doing.

I say he got off easy.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Absolutely. I'm always in favor of taking senior citizens off the road. This guy is 2 years overdue. That's a lot of driving past the age limit that he shouldn't have been doing.

I say he got off easy.
Hey!
Oh, wait....you know that I'm 62.
Scurrilous wag!!
 

Timothy Bryce

Active Member
Yes the sentence was appropriate. And I would take this further – anyone who has injured others due to DUI, and has done so three times whether with a license or not (hopefully they would not have one at that juncture) should be executed.

Wow.

I actually know someone who meets your criteria.

I, and no one else I know, don't believe she deserves to die besides apparently you.

This thread went way beyond what I expected it to.

I suppose it's human nature to always keep a scapegoat handy; and drink drivers make extremely easy targets.

All this "drink drivers are murderers" and "drink driving is akin to spraying a machine gun around in public" is hyperbolic and damaging.

Has it actually struck anyone that people with habitual alcohol issues usually have those issues snowballed by the social blowback they experience? It's fuelled purely by resentment and society shovelling hatred and fear towards people who are most vulnerable to it compounds the problem - this thread is a great example.

Imagine someone in so much psychological pain and self loathing that they're already killing themselves only to come across ideas that they are just narcissistic, potential murderers who deserve to be killed. What's the likely natural consequence? "**** you all and forever," as that certain someone raises their next glass.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Wow.

I actually know someone who meets your criteria.

I, and no one else I know, don't believe she deserves to die besides apparently you.

This thread went way beyond what I expected it to.

I suppose it's human nature to always keep a scapegoat handy; and drink drivers make extremely easy targets.

All this "drink drivers are murderers" and "drink driving is akin to spraying a machine gun around in public" is hyperbolic and damaging.

Has it actually struck anyone that people with habitual alcohol issues usually have those issues snowballed by the social blowback they experience? It's fuelled purely by resentment and society shovelling hatred and fear towards people who are most vulnerable to it compounds the problem - this thread is a great example.

Imagine someone in so much psychological pain and self loathing that they're already killing themselves only to come across ideas that they are just narcissistic, potential murderers who deserve to be killed. What's the likely natural consequence? "**** you all and forever," as that certain someone raises their next glass.
I've no doubt that habitual murders, assailants & other evildoers have problems with some origin.
Be it a difficult childhood, genetic predisposition, or other malady, we still need to discourage
such behavior with punishment, & prevent them from endangering the rest of us.
They aren't being made a scapegoat, nor are they vulnerable little lambs beset with scorn.
They're felons.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The sentence is cruel and unusual. It sets a precedence for similar offences that it's perfectly ok to lock somebody over a legal substance for fear he might kill someone through his behavior.
It's that his behavior does kill a ton of people, and it injures far more.
I think it would better serve to permanently revoke his driving privileges and be subject
for close long term monitoring due to his repeat offenses.
To borrow a mantra of the pro-gun crowd; he's a criminal, he won't care about observing the law. And a revoked license doesn't prevent many people from driving. They're usually very careful - he would be drunk. And he's probably had them revoked before.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's that his behavior does kill a ton of people, and it injures far more.

To borrow a mantra of the pro-gun crowd; he's a criminal, he won't care about observing the law. And a revoked license doesn't prevent many people from driving. They're usually very careful - he would be drunk. And he's probably had them revoked before.

That's the gist.

While I don't disagree with you, the fact is he didn't kill anyone yet. That dosent deserve life. There's laws on the books already for negligent homicide and vechiclar manslaughter, for which those would apply appropriately if and when it happens.

It seems to me more and more the country is sliding into prosecuting individuals on a what if basis, as opposed to looking at the situation as it stands. I'm also curious if the penal code prescribes a penalty of life imprisonment. Sounds like the judge overstepped the bounds of authority under the law.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Has it actually struck anyone that people with habitual alcohol issues usually have those issues snowballed by the social blowback they experience? It's fuelled purely by resentment and society shovelling hatred and fear towards people who are most vulnerable to it compounds the problem - this thread is a great example.

Imagine someone in so much psychological pain and self loathing that they're already killing themselves only to come across ideas that they are just narcissistic, potential murderers who deserve to be killed. What's the likely natural consequence? "**** you all and forever," as that certain someone raises their next glass.

Good point. You can't treat the substance abuse until you fix the cause of the addiction in the first place. Sometimes the damage is too severe...so what to do? The self-loathing is fueled by how people respond to them. You can't hate them more than they hate themselves.They don't live but only exist. Alcohol is sometimes their only friend.

One of my dearest friends is an alcoholic with so many rehab visits, she has lost count. She has been done for drink driving a few times and lost her license for years at a time.
My last visit to her in hospital was when she rammed someone's car in a unit complex. She doesn't even remember getting in the car, so that would explain the attempt at driving when she shouldn't have. When I asked he what she had done and why she drove, she just shrugged and said, "I don't know". She only avoided a police charge because the incident happened on private property...something the police want changed where I live.

Knowing this lady's background (child sexual abuse, both parents alcoholics, lost every sibling to alcohol abuse, no extended family close by, and recently lost her husband who was always there to pick her up and put her to bed)...need we ask why she drinks? Her pain I believe, is beyond human capacity to fix. Alcohol numbs it and takes it away temporarily. But it then causes more problems than it fixes. She has a dilemma. She is trying her best to get on top of it, but she has been an alcoholic for over 30 years. I am amazed that she is still alive.

Should the programs for substance abuse be mandatory early, before they become a lifelong, intractable problem....and can you force someone to take medication against their will? These are ethical questions and knowing other alcoholics, I can honestly say that I have yet to meet an alcoholic who was not using alcohol to treat their depression or mental illness. It is their medicine of choice; they don't need a consultation or a prescription, and unless we have something to offer them as an alternative that works, how can we condemn them? (though we must condemn what they do)....why have we nothing to give them to take away their pain and help them to feel like normal valued human beings?

I am not for one moment condoning what drink drivers do, but we should be looking for solutions, not just condemning them as if they do not already condemn themselves. If they do not value their own lives how can we expect them to value others? Some understanding would not go astray on this issue. Its too easy to sit and condemn when you have no idea what that person is enduring. It doesn't excuse them, but gives you insight as to why they don't seem to care about others.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I am hearing drink driving. Is that the same as drunk driving?

Drink driving to me means go out to dinner and have a glass of wine and then drive home. Death to restaurant goers?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I didn't notice my bone headed spelling error until it was too late to change the title.
So every time I read it, RF rubs me nose in me incumpitense!
Why are they calling it drink driving? Is this some kind of joke? It shouldn't be funny.
 
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