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Drink Driving....Life In Prison

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
While I don't disagree with you, the fact is he didn't kill anyone yet. That dosent deserve life. There's laws on the books already for negligent homicide and vechiclar manslaughter, for which those would apply appropriately if and when it happens.
There are also laws against being a public endangerment, reckless driving, DUI, and he is a multiple time repeat offender. You certainly aren't going to say "we'll, you haven't killed anyone" and do nothing if it's discovered that someone is making bombs in their apartment.
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
So we should let'm kill someone first, & only then do something to ensure he can't drive.
Btw, you can drive here without a license (even though you're supposed to have one.)
I don't (cannot ) drive which is the gift of God to someone like me. Just imagine an alcoholic like me on the road.
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
So how many deaths due to drunk driving in your country SG? I don't drink and after dealing with too many public drunks and drunk drivers over the years and seeing the effect alcohol has on people, I see no reason to ever start drinking that poison.
This is one of the best things about Saudi arabia. Liquor is very hardly available ( but sure you can make it at home with fruits) .
 

Timothy Bryce

Active Member
I've no doubt that habitual murders, assailants & other evildoers have problems with some origin.
Be it a difficult childhood, genetic predisposition, or other malady, we still need to discourage
such behavior with punishment, & prevent them from endangering the rest of us.
They aren't being made a scapegoat, nor are they vulnerable little lambs beset with scorn.
They're felons.

Who are "they"? They sound pretty bad.

Some absolutely are made scapegoats. Some are even scapegoated to death or disenfranchisement. I've also not been the person making sweeping generalizations about people who drive drunk. People who have been traumatized by DUI/PCA crashes/accidents seem to be the most belligerent and degrading regarding this issue.

What ever happened to judging an individual case on its merits?

I think if people insist on the idea that themselves are calm and gentle people and it's only the "criminals" who do bad things, and that this is our way of addressing the issue, then it endorses the problem in the first place as a blind eye is turned to the inherent darkness that is actually and inescapably inside all of us. These "criminals" are then left with literally no other alternative than to go around spewing that negativity around in public. I think we could do a lot better. It's sad.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
There are also laws against being a public endangerment, reckless driving, DUI, and he is a multiple time repeat offender. You certainly aren't going to say "we'll, you haven't killed anyone" and do nothing if it's discovered that someone is making bombs in their apartment.
I know what your trying to point out, but alcoholic drinks are still legal unlike bomb making.

That can't be equated as being the same thing in a legal sense.

His problem is not not the drinking itself and getting plastered, but his extremely poor judgement and recklessness under the influence affecting public saftey.

It's a behavioral issue. Probably best served in a mental institution for an indefinite amount of time.

Not prison. Imo.
 

Timothy Bryce

Active Member
This is one of the best things about Saudi arabia. Liquor is very hardly available ( but sure you can make it at home with fruits) .

Everything is available; the trick is to choose and manage your addictions in a way that is appropriate. It might be a struggle but a worthwhile struggle.

I wish you the best of luck if you follow through with hitting up SA. In my experiences, I've been shocked at how much of a difference a change of scenery can make in a person's life; especially those with substance issues. It's one of the rare things in life that seem to foster overwhelmingly positive changes. And I truly believe that the alcohol thing (which, if you're doing it "right" or "wrong," is also sometimes tethered to the alcohol/benzo thing) is the worst thing a person can do to themselves. Even people who decide to shoot meth, coke, heroin habitually - you'd be surprised how manageable and successful their lives are because they've had the insight and capacity to see the illusory aspects of "the drug problem" and learn how to effectively choose their addictions. That's the paramount lesson to be learnt.

By the way - some of these successful "criminal" meth/coke/heroin injectors drive cars too.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
It's a behavioral issue. Probably best served in a mental institution for an indefinite amount of time.

Not prison. Imo.
I agree completely. But I don't know how to clearly distinguish between a US prison and a US mental health facility.
Other than the state can't force people to remain in a mental health facility for longer than a few weeks.
Tom
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Who are "they"? They sound pretty bad.
They're the ones doing the evil deeds.
Some absolutely are made scapegoats. Some are even scapegoated to death or disenfranchisement. I've also not been the person making sweeping generalizations about people who drive drunk. People who have been traumatized by DUI/PCA crashes/accidents seem to be the most belligerent and degrading regarding this issue.
What ever happened to judging an individual case on its merits?
I agree that people should be treated fairly, & as individuals.
Regarding this perp with 10 DUI acts & a history of flouting both the law &
the safety of others, this is enuf info for me to see him spend life in prison.
This would not apply to other cases & circumstances.
I think if people insist on the idea that themselves are calm and gentle people and it's only the "criminals" who do bad things, and that this is our way of addressing the issue, then it endorses the problem in the first place as a blind eye is turned to the inherent darkness that is actually and inescapably inside all of us. These "criminals" are then left with literally no other alternative than to go around spewing that negativity around in public. I think we could do a lot better. It's sad.
To punish criminals, & to keep them away from society is not commentary upon the rest of us, nor does it endorse their evil.
Still, it's a system needing improvement.
 

Timothy Bryce

Active Member
They're the ones doing the evil deeds.

I agree that people should be treated fairly, & as individuals.
Regarding this perp with 10 DUI acts & a history of flouting both the law &
the safety of others, this is enuf info for me to see him spend life in prison.
This would not apply to other cases & circumstances.

To punish criminals, & to keep them away from society is not commentary upon the rest of us, nor does it endorse their evil.
Still, it's a system needing improvement.

Cool. I think we see eye to eye on this.
 
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