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Drum 'n Bass.

YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Since we are sharing EweToob cookies, would anyone classify this as "music"?

Cambridge '69

The piece is fully 29 minutes long.... and varies wildly...
A great tune to hum while doing Christmas shopping!!!
 
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Violet.
richardlowellt said:
Your not paying attention, I stated that it could sound dissonant and unlike traditional classical music.



I never said it did, you asked about 12 tone music, I answered your question.



Ahh, no its not, thats how we learn about things, through analysis.
Yes it does, your point?
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How are you gunna analyze traditional classical, free jazz, 12 tone, and D&B...
not to mention avante guard/modern/experimental, and also eastern musics for example ...
which use more than 12 tones... all by the same "methods"?
How do you measure atonal music by tonal standards?
or even vice versa?
How do you analyze a groove in music that has no groove?
How do you analyze random clusters in terms of traditional harmony?
How do you analyze a form that has no form?
The harmonic structure of a percussion ensemble... or a drum circle?
Or the samples and wave settings of a music that uses no electronics in it's construction?
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YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I feel so ignored. *sniffle*

Is no one willing to take a stab at the question I posed in post 121?
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
UltraViolet said:
How are you gunna analyze traditional classical, free jazz, 12 tone, and D&B...
not to mention avante guard/modern/experimental, and also eastern musics for example ...
which use more than 12 tones... all by the same "methods"?
How do you measure atonal music by tonal standards?
or even vice versa?
How do you analyze a groove in music that has no groove?
How do you analyze random clusters in terms of traditional harmony?
How do you analyze a form that has no form?
The harmonic structure of a percussion ensemble... or a drum circle?
Or the samples and wave settings of a music that uses no electronics in it's construction?
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I wouldn't dream of being critical of your knowledge of music UV, but I am curious, where does one draw the line?
In theory, twanging on a rubber band accompanied by beating on a Tupperware container could be deemed music.
Is there ANY particular point where noise becomes music?
 
katiafish

katiafish

consciousness incarnate
YmirGF said:
Since we are sharing EweToob cookies, would anyone classify this as "music"?

Cambridge '69

The piece is fully 29 minutes long.... and varies wildly...
A great tune to hum while doing Christmas shopping!!!
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I cant tell you if this is "Music". What I think it is though is a personal experience of that particular event put into an art form..

now, whether i like it or not is a different thing all together.. ;)
 
BucephalusBB

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
YmirGF said:
I feel so ignored. *sniffle*

Is no one willing to take a stab at the question I posed in post 121?
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I got halfway the 8 minutes and had to stop.
Have you ever heard the full 29 minutes? :eek:

OK.. ehr.. if it's music?
I'd rather put this in the catagory "Artistic sounds" or something.
Just as awesome if you like it, I guess. I can see where someone would like to label this music, but in trivial conversations I would refer to sounds.
 
BucephalusBB

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
YmirGF said:
In theory, twanging on a rubber band accompanied by beating on a Tupperware container could be deemed music.
Is there ANY particular point where noise becomes music?
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You and I both know there is. The question in this thread (I mean, ..the other thread) is when that point arives.
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Bouncing Ball said:
I got halfway the 8 minutes and had to stop.
Have you ever heard the full 29 minutes? :eek:

OK.. ehr.. if it's music?
I'd rather put this in the catagory "Artistic sounds" or something.
Just as awesome if you like it, I guess. I can see where someone would like to label this music, but in trivial conversations I would refer to sounds.
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I used to own the album, so yes, I have heard it, in its entirety on several occasions, in various states.
Suffice to say that Yoko really lets it rip between the 15-25 minute mark. Bizarre is putting it mildly.
 
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richardlowellt

Well-Known Member
UltraViolet said:
richardlowellt said:
How are you gunna analyze traditional classical, free jazz, 12 tone, and D&B...
not to mention avante guard/modern/experimental, and also eastern musics for example ...
which use more than 12 tones... all by the same "methods"?
How do you measure atonal music by tonal standards?
or even vice versa?
How do you analyze a groove in music that has no groove?
How do you analyze random clusters in terms of traditional harmony?
How do you analyze a form that has no form?
The harmonic structure of a percussion ensemble... or a drum circle?
Or the samples and wave settings of a music that uses no electronics in it's construction?
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Must I hold a masters class in analysis just for you? I'm usually paid very well for such classes. I really don't have the time or the inclination to inform you of how the analyze different styles of music, I can however recommend some books that might help you, just let me know.
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Violet.
richardlowellt said:
Must I hold a masters class in analysis just for you? I'm usually paid very well for such classes. I really don't have the time or the inclination to inform you of how the analyze different styles of music, I can however recommend some books that might help you, just let me know.
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Why do you purposely ignore the point I am obviously making?

If you cannot tell that my questions were RHETORICAL
(and not really questions at all)
then trying to hold a conversation with you is a total waste of time.

D&B is collage music.
Not oil painting.

I give up.
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