Drunk,pork,homosexual what Bible tells ?

[David1967]

I have opinions on this subject.
But I am not allowed to respond in this forum because I am not quite Catholic enough.
Tom

Oh ,come on Tom, we want to know what you think. At least I do.

 

[David1967]

thanks for this value clarifcation .

obviously the Bible forbid the homosex acts .

so I am curious whom (the Christians) allow homosexual ,..... which Scripture in Bible, they used to justify their opinion ?

No scripture to justify Homosexuality. That is forbidden in Old and New testament. To justify that a person has to go outside of scripture.

 

[David1967]

Hi all

I am little confused if Alchohol,Pork,Homosex are clearly forbiden , if YES, then why then why most of Christians did not follow their Bible , by eat pork,drink alchohol, and agree with homosexual ?

please reply with scriptures from Bible ?

 

[David1967]

Christianity is a very diverse religion. To say most is very unfair. I would never say "most Muslims" believe this or that as I am still learning of your religion. I say this respectfully my friend. I do not drink alchohol myself but scripture only forbids drunkenness EPH.5:18" And do not get drunk with wine, which is excess, but be filled with the Spirit." Homosexuality is forbidden in Old and New testament, but since we are talking about Christians I will use the New Testament book of Romans chapter 1:24-27 "
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. KJV
. As far as pork? Being neither Muslim or Jew this is not of issue with us. Jesus didn't speak of it and in the book of 1 Timothy 4:1-5 it says:
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer<." KJV
Hope this was of help.

 

[columbus]

Oh ,come on Tom, we want to know what you think. At least I do.

Well, I always was the kid who "runs with scissors"

I see the most basic problem here as Christians deciding that they are a new religion. They are not Jews. But then they canonized a big chunk of Jewish scripture.
"Canon" is the stuff that is magically true because God Himself inspired it.

But the two parts of the Christian Bible contradict each other rather commonly. So two people can hold diametrically opposed beliefs and confidently say, "God said so." And they are both right, if you believe that the Bible is the Word of God.

I believe this fundamental dichotomy is why Christianity lost it's grip on moral authority in Christendom, so we now have a secular moral code. Christians like to refer to that when it suits them. When it doesn't they pick the Bible verse that does. And there are many to choose from.
Tom

 

[David1967]

Well, I always was the kid who "runs with scissors"

I see the most basic problem here as Christians deciding that they are a new religion. They are not Jews. But then they canonized a big chunk of Jewish scripture.
"Canon" is the stuff that is magically true because God Himself inspired it.

But the two parts of the Christian Bible contradict each other rather commonly. So two people can hold diametrically opposed beliefs and confidently say, "God said so." And they are both right, if you believe that the Bible is the Word of God.

I believe this fundamental dichotomy is why Christianity lost it's grip on moral authority in Christendom, so we now have a secular moral code. Christians like to refer to that when it suits them. When it doesn't they pick the Bible verse that does. And there are many to choose from.
Tom

Thank you Tom..Now doesn't that feel better?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There's debate over what those 6 verses that seem to reference homosexuality actually mean.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm

 

[leibowde84]

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Leviticus 20.13)

He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of Yahweh. (Deuteronomy 23.1)

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto Yahweh thy God. (Deuteronomy 22.5)

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Roman 1.18-32)

But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know [have an affair with] them. And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. (Genesis 19.4-7)

Then Yahweh rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (Genesis 19.24, 25)

You can read!!! Congrats. But, I think the argument is that all of that stuff is unreliable.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Well, I always was the kid who "runs with scissors"
I see the most basic problem here as Christians deciding that they are a new religion. They are not Jews. But then they canonized a big chunk of Jewish scripture.
"Canon" is the stuff that is magically true because God Himself inspired it.
But the two parts of the Christian Bible contradict each other rather commonly. So two people can hold diametrically opposed beliefs and confidently say, "God said so." And they are both right, if you believe that the Bible is the Word of God.
I believe this fundamental dichotomy is why Christianity lost it's grip on moral authority in Christendom, so we now have a secular moral code. Christians like to refer to that when it suits them. When it doesn't they pick the Bible verse that does. And there are many to choose from.
Tom

The BIG chunk of the old Hebrew Scriptures is leading or pointing to -> Messiah ( anointed one ) coming - Daniel 9:25-26
Unlike other religious books, the Bible has corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages harmonizing with each other.
Jesus as Messiah based his harmonious beliefs on the Hebrew Scriptures by often quoting or referring to them when Jesus said, " It is written.... " meaning already written down in the old Hebrew part. - Luke chapter 4

So, all 66 books of the Bible are religious truth because they support Bible canon being based on the ancient manuscripts.
That is why the apocryphal books exclude themselves being out of harmony with the ' 66 '.

What one example do you have in mind about being a contradiction ?

Christendom ( so-called Christian in name only ) already ' lost its grip ' when the first century ended - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30
Both the genuine ' wheat ' Christians would grow together with the fake ' weed/tares ' Christians until the harvest time, or the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on earth - Matthew 25:31-32 - when Jesus, as Shepherd, will judge people as to who will have a favorable judgment. The ' sheep ' can remain alive on earth, and continue living on earth, right into the start of Jesus' coming 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth when Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.

 

[columbus]

The BIG chunk of the old Hebrew Scriptures is leading or pointing to -> Messiah ( anointed one ) coming - Daniel 9:25-26

I have read the Bible. That is a very small part.

And the description given for the Messiah doesn't match the NT description of Jesus, even after all the implausible editing done.
Tom

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I have read the Bible. That is a very small part.
And the description given for the Messiah doesn't match the NT description of Jesus, even after all the implausible editing done.
Tom

Counting the 70 weeks of years - Daniel 9:24; Nehemiah 2:1,5,7,8 - brings us to the first century.
Those first-century people were in ' expectation ' ( expecting ) Messiah to appear at their time frame - Luke 3:15

At Jesus' soon coming ' glory time ' Matthew 25:31-32; Matthew 16:27 - Jesus will take messianic action.
Jesus, as Messiah, will take the action of Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-15 to rid the earth of wickedness.

 

[columbus]

Counting the 70 weeks of years - Daniel 9:24; Nehemiah 2:1,5,7,8 - brings us to the first century.
Those first-century people were in ' expectation ' ( expecting ) Messiah to appear at their time frame - Luke 3:15

At Jesus' soon coming ' glory time ' Matthew 25:31-32; Matthew 16:27 - Jesus will take messianic action.
Jesus, as Messiah, will take the action of Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-15 to rid the earth of wickedness.

Well, that is not true.
According to the Gospel they were expecting Jesus to return while some of them were still living.
Tom

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Well, that is not true.
According to the Gospel they were expecting Jesus to return while some of them were still living.
Tom

Where in the gospel Tom ?

 

[columbus]

Where in the gospel Tom ?

Lk. 9:27

People right there would live to see the Kingdom of God.
Tom

 

[David1967]

Lk. 9:27

People right there would live to see the Kingdom of God.
Tom

YOU AR CORRECT

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Lk. 9:27
People right there would live to see the Kingdom of God.
Tom

Isn't Luke 9:27-36 in connection to the same Transfiguration Vision of Matthew 17:9 ?_______
A ' vision ' is Not a real happening. What they saw was a preview or coming attraction.
That particular vision was in connection to Matthew 16:27 and Matthew 25:31
We are nearing the coming threshold ' time of separation ' on earth, when Jesus will come in glory with his angels - Revelation 19:14 - Not sooner.

Like King David - Acts of the Apostles 2:34 - Moses and Elijah are still asleep in the grave until Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over earth for a thousand years when they will be resurrected back to healthy physical life on earth - Acts of the Apostles 24:15

 

[columbus]

Isn't Luke 9:27-36 in connection to the same Transfiguration Vision of Matthew 17:9 ?_______

No.
9:27 is the last sentence in one story. The next sentence is the beginning of another.
Tom

 

[columbus]

We are nearing the coming threshold ' time of separation ' on earth, when Jesus will come in glory with his angels - Revelation 19:14 - Not sooner.

Possibly.
But neither the Bible nor it's followers have shown any impressive feats of prophecy.
Google George Camping, or Henry, or Bill or whatever the guys name is that got famous for telling us what the Bible has to say about the end times.
Tom

 

[URAVIP2ME]

No.
9:27 is the last sentence in one story. The next sentence is the beginning of another.
Tom

Thank you Tom for noticing. Should have been Luke 9:23-27. Verse 27 corresponds to Matthew 16:28 before Matthew starts with the ' transfiguration vision ' of chapter 17. - Matthew 17:9

Luke 9:28-36 corresponds to Matthew 17:1-9

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Possibly.
But neither the Bible nor it's followers have shown any impressive feats of prophecy.
Google George Camping, or Henry, or Bill or whatever the guys name is that got famous for telling us what the Bible has to say about the end times.
Tom

Would you consider an ' impressive feat of prophecy ' what Jesus said at Matthew 24:14 and Acts of the apostles 1:8 ?_______
We are nearing that ' final phase ', so to speak, in completing that international spreading of the good news message.
Modern technology has made possible rapid Bible translation so people all over the earth can read Scripture in their own mother tongue or native language.

There is also the coming ' final signal ', so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' (powers that be ) will be saying ' Peace and Security' or ' Peace and Safety ' as the precursor for the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14

We know the ' season ' is right , but the day and hour No one knows. - Matthew 24:32; Matthew 24:36