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In the New Testament, how many times does Jesus talk about His Father?
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Duality of God
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In the New Testament, how many times does Jesus talk about His Father?
Repox
Truth Seeker
Good point, not many times. Nevertheless, I believe Jesus was God, and God is a duality. Based on research I've good reason to question the truthfulness of the gospels. My theory is that the gospel authors, who were not eyewitnesses to Jesus or his ministry, invented son of God stories to explain it.
AdityaMookerjee
Member
In Judaism, it seems, if the human is created by God, then perhaps, the human doesn't need to be seen as also sacred. God is, and perhaps the human is also, but because he is created by God. It seems, that in Christianity, Christ and the apostles were seen as the shepherds. I say 'perhaps', because I have heard this, and read this perhaps in a different context. The Christian sees these persons and Christ, as being different to themselves.
Blasphemy! Everyone knows that there's only five gods. All things happen in fives, or are divisible by or are multiples of five, or are somehow directly or indirectly related to 5.
Hail Eris!
AdityaMookerjee
Member
Blasphemy! Everyone knows that there's only five gods. All things happen in fives, or are divisible by or are multiples of five, or are somehow directly or indirectly related to 5.
Hail Eris!
Do you mean, the Greek Pantheon? It seems the term Pantheon is Greek. They seem to be related, in some manner, similar to humans related in blood.
Repox
Truth Seeker
Think about it, God before he created angels. Knowing God is eternal, it is impossible to know what happened. It's difficult to conceive of one God alone in heaven. Two Gods in a sphere in heaven is a logical explanation whereby the two Gods would have been, and are, eternal companions. They created angels for companionship, or participation with the two Gods interacting.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
In that case, what was the need for a guard. One cannot think that the Ascended Beings would create any trouble or may-hem. Furthermore, it is power of God not to let any Tom, Dick or Harry enter the heaven. Write something which is reasonable.
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wellwisher
Well-Known Member
As an analogy, in computer sci-fi, intelligent computers often rise up to take over the world. This typically begins with the first example of a self sourcing intelligence. It does not start with a bunch of them but a single reoccurring glitch. The first intelligent computer would eventually be able to think beyond its human based programming, and in doing so, learn to make adjustments to that programming for its own advancement. This advance may include spawning other intelligence sources within the network and using these self sustaining subroutines to control machines for various self sustaining tasks.
Information based intelligence, like in a computer, does not reproduce or spawn like organic based intelligence; animals. Information can be true or false, truth or fiction, etc., thereby taking off the limits imposed by the laws of physics. An analogy is when you surf the web we no longer see information sequentially, but rather it can jump all over the place and side track us as we surf the web
The science bridge to this sci-fi scenario and the formation of God, is the second law, which states that the entropy of the universe has to increase. Entropy is connected to a natural push that moves matter toward higher levels of complexity. This push needs energy to increase since an entropy increase will absorb energy. Since entropy has to increase and since this absorbs energy, our material universe is losing useable energy into increasing entropy. The material universe is bleeding energy via the second law. This energy is conserved, but in a form that is not recyclable by the universe in any net sense. It exists in a different realm and is not part of the normal laws of physics ,since it is not net reusable by these laws, but conserved and separated.
As an example, the spin of subatomic particles is innate to all particles. This is not something we can harness for energy, in any net way, even though this contains lots of entropic energy. It is forever conserved, but not reusable energy in any net way. It reflects memories of a different point in time within our universe's evolution. However, in the present this energy stockpile, although conserved within the spin, is off limits to the useable energy balance of the universe. The ground state assumptions of science have this off limit spin.
The best way to describe this conserved but unusable energy is information. Entropy is a state variable meaning any given state of matter has a very specific amount of entropy. Water at 25C and 1 atmosphere has a constant amount of entropy. This energy value reflects this memory state which we cannot change. The stored energy within entropy is like a record of states, that have appeared in the universe over time; as entropy increased. Our DNA has record of our past evolution, but we cannot create the past from this stored information energy since it is not reusable energy to us.
If we go back to the original sic-fi scenario, from this ever increasing pool of conserved informational energy; separated realm, that is not net useable by our material universe, arose consciousness. It is information, with energy value, that is useable but only in that other realm. Since this entropic information arose from the second law, using the natural laws of physics, it is pure information in the natural sense; God is natural.
An interesting tidbit of science is life generates a lot of entropy with the human brain an entropy generating machine. The states of matter called our memories, when fired, add to the pool of lost but conserved energy; eternal soul. This is overseen by the original intelligence.
God is called he and not she because in ancient traditions the female is connected to matter and the material universe, while God is spirit and information; entropic realm. God is not about biological sex; material realm. That is connected to mother nature.
Repox
Truth Seeker
Assuming God is a duality, why don’t clerics and others in the religious community know about it. I propose it is because, contrary to clerical beliefs about God loving us, God has never been very close to humans. Moreover, humans cannot comprehend a superior being radically different from themselves. Humans prefer pagan gods. There are many examples in nature of duality: two wings on birds, two arms, two legs, two feet, two sides of the brain, two mating pairs, etc. There are many more examples of duality in our material world, just look at chemistry (opposites reacting), and physical laws (gravity and anti-gravity), etc. You cannot deny the importance of duality throughout the universe. Then, of course, we have mathematical formulas (odd and even division of numbers), balanced equations, etc. Examples of duality are too numerous to mention. Why wouldn’t nature reflect its creator?
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Two forms of God in creation.
As a human science thesis.
O the planet not in any fission.
It's heavens gases.
Two just as needed by a human equal yet not equated equal bodies.
Teaching to liars. Human theists.
CH gases in heavens are supported by space vacuum voiding and clear night cold gases.
God of the earth however does not own CH gas in that status
Christ in heavens is holy spirit.
Christ in gods body is evil
How did you brother scientist by baby inheritance learn this advice.
As a man adult scientist choice?
I got irradiated life burnt sacrificed. Firstborn DNA of humans removed. New born babies my proof.
Why?
I converted cold fused mass not even a CHrist status sink holes opened life got attacked in heavens fall out caused by man of science.
As a human science thesis.
O the planet not in any fission.
It's heavens gases.
Two just as needed by a human equal yet not equated equal bodies.
Teaching to liars. Human theists.
CH gases in heavens are supported by space vacuum voiding and clear night cold gases.
God of the earth however does not own CH gas in that status
Christ in heavens is holy spirit.
Christ in gods body is evil
How did you brother scientist by baby inheritance learn this advice.
As a man adult scientist choice?
I got irradiated life burnt sacrificed. Firstborn DNA of humans removed. New born babies my proof.
Why?
I converted cold fused mass not even a CHrist status sink holes opened life got attacked in heavens fall out caused by man of science.
Repox
Truth Seeker
Regarding Jesus. I believe Jesus was God, and God is a duality. When Jesus spoke about himself, he talked about his real identity, which caused gospel writers and Paul to invent son of God stories. I know there is no historical evidence for this assertion, but if it is true, it would put those stories into doubt. If you get a chance, read books by Bart D. Ehrman, a biblical scholarly. In his book on biblical fraud, he points out that the gospels were written by literate Creeks, not Jews or illiterate fishermen, who were not eyewitnesses. Gospels were written 35 to 70 years after the death of Jesus. It's also interesting that the gospels were written by men who did not claim authorship. Christians leaders several decades later provided all four gospels with authors, who were all fictitious.
I propose there was confusion about what Jesus said. Most likely it came from misinterpretations, whereas, Jesus, as God, and therefore a duality, talked about himself as two persons. Unable to accept, or interpret, Jesus as God, and God as a duality, followers of Jesus solved "cognitive dissonance" problems by proposing Jesus to be the son of God. If you study the origin of the four gospels, you'll find from the time Jesus was murdered, until about 60 years after his death, there were numerous gospels written until church leaders decided on the final four gospels. There was a lot of time and opportunities to create the "right kind" of Jesus for what people wanted. Jesus the son of God became the solution. If you examine historical records, you find the beliefs about Jesus going from a "wise, or sage" leader to the final definition, which is, of course, Jesus, the son of God.
I propose there was confusion about what Jesus said. Most likely it came from misinterpretations, whereas, Jesus, as God, and therefore a duality, talked about himself as two persons. Unable to accept, or interpret, Jesus as God, and God as a duality, followers of Jesus solved "cognitive dissonance" problems by proposing Jesus to be the son of God. If you study the origin of the four gospels, you'll find from the time Jesus was murdered, until about 60 years after his death, there were numerous gospels written until church leaders decided on the final four gospels. There was a lot of time and opportunities to create the "right kind" of Jesus for what people wanted. Jesus the son of God became the solution. If you examine historical records, you find the beliefs about Jesus going from a "wise, or sage" leader to the final definition, which is, of course, Jesus, the son of God.
Repox
Truth Seeker
Analyze the “two witnesses” from Revelations 11 according to three assumptions.
1. Jesus was God. God is two persons in one, equally powerful and holy.
2. Revelation is both past and future.
3. John, the author, believed, as did others, Jesus was the son of God, not God. Moreover, none of the Jesus movement followers believed God was a duality. Therefore, we would expect John's beliefs to influence his narrative.
The two witnesses were Jesus (God). The math fits, but the narrative is sketchy. However, the story, based on fact and symbolism, is consistent.
John was told “Go and measure the temple of God and the alter, and count the worshipers there. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it because it has been given to the gentiles. They will trample on the city for 42 months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days (Jesus ministry), clothed in sackcloth.” Rev. 11:1-3.
Multiple 42 by 30, the results are 1,260 days. Divide 1,260 days by 365. The results are 31/2 years. The period of time that Gentiles tramped the holy city and the time Jesus “will prophesy” is 31/2 years.
Read Revelations 11:7-9. “Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze at their bodies and refuse them burial.”
Read Revelations 11:11. “But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, ‘come up her.’ And they went up into heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.”
According to biblical scholars, the life and death of Jesus derives from legend and rumor, not historical records.
Now read Revelation 12 about the woman and the dragon. I believe it is about God’s angels fighting Satan while God was in the world as Jesus. Notice the women (God), “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” (Rev. 12:1&2). Take note of the twelve stars on her head. They represent God’s twelve angels; Satan is the thirteenth angel. Jesus (God) was about to give testimony to His chosen people. Then, Satan threatened Jesus (God).
“The dragon stood in front of the woman (God) who was about to give birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” (Rev. 12:4&5). The male child was Jesus
1. Jesus was God. God is two persons in one, equally powerful and holy.
2. Revelation is both past and future.
3. John, the author, believed, as did others, Jesus was the son of God, not God. Moreover, none of the Jesus movement followers believed God was a duality. Therefore, we would expect John's beliefs to influence his narrative.
The two witnesses were Jesus (God). The math fits, but the narrative is sketchy. However, the story, based on fact and symbolism, is consistent.
John was told “Go and measure the temple of God and the alter, and count the worshipers there. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it because it has been given to the gentiles. They will trample on the city for 42 months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days (Jesus ministry), clothed in sackcloth.” Rev. 11:1-3.
Multiple 42 by 30, the results are 1,260 days. Divide 1,260 days by 365. The results are 31/2 years. The period of time that Gentiles tramped the holy city and the time Jesus “will prophesy” is 31/2 years.
Read Revelations 11:7-9. “Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze at their bodies and refuse them burial.”
Read Revelations 11:11. “But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, ‘come up her.’ And they went up into heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.”
According to biblical scholars, the life and death of Jesus derives from legend and rumor, not historical records.
Now read Revelation 12 about the woman and the dragon. I believe it is about God’s angels fighting Satan while God was in the world as Jesus. Notice the women (God), “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” (Rev. 12:1&2). Take note of the twelve stars on her head. They represent God’s twelve angels; Satan is the thirteenth angel. Jesus (God) was about to give testimony to His chosen people. Then, Satan threatened Jesus (God).
“The dragon stood in front of the woman (God) who was about to give birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” (Rev. 12:4&5). The male child was Jesus
Repox
Truth Seeker
In nature, we find duality everywhere as reflected in physical laws. In the universe, we have matter and anti-matter, positive and negative charges, neutrons and protons, gravitational forces holding planets, solar systems, galaxies, and even black holes in their respective orbits. We find duality in God's creation of species: two legs, two arms, two eyes, two ears, two wings, dual functioning brains, and feedback loops for properly functioning body organs. We find dualities in our social world. Mathematicians insist that equations be balanced. We have double bookkeeping, balance sheets, offsetting entries, and other manifestations of duality in our everyday life. For moralist, there is the constant comparison between good and evil. Without dualities, there would be nothing.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
A dual means against. In words.
Equal says equal as two.
A question first then an answer. Notice a question also is not an answer. Acceptance natural is the answer.
The answer is never first.
Pretty basic man advice since when did you bio human begin as god the earth?
Then a human biological first status self claims a thesis.
A reaction in the past began biology in water. It came out of stone.
Water is its highest state.
Does water change as a holy state holy water?
No said the theist
Why you lied. As evil is not equal an answer in theism.
Evils answer is evil only.
Coercion said evil was first.
Natural said holy states are first in life's support. Water is only water.
The scientists lying human status...but I want. Not I had to and not I needed to. I wanted to.
Pretty basic no machine no egotists wielding it claiming I am a God man reacting.
Theme possession I am a God as a man reacting machine to own presence. A reaction.
Misappropriation of the holy word.
Where did man's machine come from? The dusts.
How much radiating causes did he cause of of earth stone in alchemy first reacting..out of stone came radiation to own the machine?
Then he reacted dusts mass again adding further stone radiations released. Causes. God earth was sealed as stone cold fused. Not radiating.
Did he invent life?
No.
Did he try to anti life?
Yes.
Gods CH gas was evil. Earths.
CH gas in heavens is not existing it is present.
Immaculate heavens protected human life no other words were used.
Explanations why was not using highest status natural.
It was explaining only.
Equal says equal as two.
A question first then an answer. Notice a question also is not an answer. Acceptance natural is the answer.
The answer is never first.
Pretty basic man advice since when did you bio human begin as god the earth?
Then a human biological first status self claims a thesis.
A reaction in the past began biology in water. It came out of stone.
Water is its highest state.
Does water change as a holy state holy water?
No said the theist
Why you lied. As evil is not equal an answer in theism.
Evils answer is evil only.
Coercion said evil was first.
Natural said holy states are first in life's support. Water is only water.
The scientists lying human status...but I want. Not I had to and not I needed to. I wanted to.
Pretty basic no machine no egotists wielding it claiming I am a God man reacting.
Theme possession I am a God as a man reacting machine to own presence. A reaction.
Misappropriation of the holy word.
Where did man's machine come from? The dusts.
How much radiating causes did he cause of of earth stone in alchemy first reacting..out of stone came radiation to own the machine?
Then he reacted dusts mass again adding further stone radiations released. Causes. God earth was sealed as stone cold fused. Not radiating.
Did he invent life?
No.
Did he try to anti life?
Yes.
Gods CH gas was evil. Earths.
CH gas in heavens is not existing it is present.
Immaculate heavens protected human life no other words were used.
Explanations why was not using highest status natural.
It was explaining only.
Repox
Truth Seeker
I propose logic to be a necessity in human communication. Where is the logic, or even the message, to this long winded, go nowhere posting?
Repox
Truth Seeker
We have "Bible evidence of duality" in Ezekiel 1:15-21 regarding the wheel within a wheel.
The two wheels represent God's duality.
15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.
16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the color of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.
18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Logic to quote ideas that advises advice to be used against us.
Information to review why information was used against us as the term logic illogic.
To explain. First their was only natural anything not named. Then an egotist named man decided he wanted it all changed.
To argue. Same old same old behaviours.
Repox
Truth Seeker
So, if you propose nonsense, there is no discussion! What a waste of time.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Philosophy to pose statements to cause another human to think differently.
As human first thought first in theism as science the chosen subject. Thinking is not about science.
Other human says no I only hold one belief science as science.
Repox
Truth Seeker
Revelation 11 about the two witnesses is about God (Duality) giving testimony to his chosen people. In Rev. 11, which I claim to be the story about God (two witnesses), we have direct evidence for God's duality. It is in the last few verses of Rev. 11. "Then Gods' temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant." (Rev. 11:19). We know there are two angels facing one another on the top of the "ark of the covenant." Those two angels represent God's duality. The ark is a literal interpretation for God's duality. Therefore, it would be appropriate for it to be mentioned in relationship to the "two witnesses" (God) in Rev. 11. Revelation was given to John by the Old Testament Lord, who is a duality. So, this section of Revelation is about the "author of Revelation."