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Dwindling Masculinity

We Never Know

No Slack
Idk... Even Clint Eastwood or whatever was a bad stereotypical hyped up masculine ideal. "Do you feel lucky punk"... And his schtick was an act to make up for draft dodging

Clint Eastwood westerns are great. His dirty harry not so much. Yet both portrayed him as a bad a$$. Of course that's my opinion.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Idk... Even Clint Eastwood or whatever was a bad stereotypical hyped up masculine ideal. "Do you feel lucky punk"... And his schtick was an act to make up for draft dodging.

Edit: I am not correct...
Famous Veterans: Clint Eastwood

Well, that was the 70s, when things got a bit more cynical. Another Eastwood role was in High Plains Drifter, which I've seen described as an anti-Western.

I was thinking more in terms of the Lone Ranger. Or even The Rifleman.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Biden, Trump, Ted Nugent, etc were draft dodgers. But at least Elvis stepped up.
Doesn't look that clear cut.
https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2015...ugent-draft-dodging-claim-revisited/28324833/
According to military records, Nugent got a student deferment. As mentioned above, this was a legal means of avoiding service in the military and is not considered draft dodging.

(Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Mitt Romney, Donald Trump and Bill O'Reilly — as well as Bill Clinton — all got student deferments during the Vietnam War and are not draft dodgers.
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Regardless, it's clear the initial student deferment was legal. Nugent has said it was given so he could attend Oakland Community College.

Nugent then got a second deferment. Because he failed his military medical exam, he was reclassified as 4-F, or unfit for service.
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Nelson is right. Nugent said in a 1977 High Times magazine article that he faked symptoms (being unhygienic to appear mentally unfit) and used meth before his military physical to get out of serving.
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But, in a 2006 interview with the UK Independent newspaper, he said he made up that story to the High Times reporter.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Well, that was the 70s, when things got a bit more cynical. Another Eastwood role was in High Plains Drifter, which I've seen described as an anti-Western.

I was thinking more in terms of the Lone Ranger. Or even The Rifleman.

The good, the bad, and the ugly along with for a few dollars more (spaghetti westerns)
And then The Unforgiven are a few off my favorites.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
No doubt they'd use a zombie apocalypse to do that, but it seems a more successful way is to simply question men's manhood or patriotism.

The zombie apocalypse is how it was marketed pre-2016. I've got a few shirts reminiscent of that era. But my dad sells those, so I didn't go out of my way to buy them (nice gifts).
 

We Never Know

No Slack
The zombie apocalypse is how it was marketed pre-2016. I've got a few shirts reminiscent of that era. But my dad sells those, so I didn't go out of my way to buy them (nice gifts).

CONOP 8888 also known as Counter-Zombie Dominance is a U.S. Department of Defense Strategic Command CONOP document that describes a plan for defending against zombies.

CONOP 8888 - Wikipedia.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That references the High Time article. But there's more. Like he did get a legit school deferment.
Did Ted Nugent Dodge the Draft?
An analysis of Ted Nugent’s Selective Service classification record doesn’t prove or disprove either version of the story. He did indeed receive a high school student deferment (1-S) in 1967 and then (as he stated) a college student deferment (2-S) in 1968. However, he was reclassified as “available for military service” (1-A) in 1969 and then subsequently rejected as a result of a physical examination and given a 1-Y classification. (The 1-Y classification denoted persons “qualified for service only in time of war or national emergency” and was generally assigned to registrants who had exhibited medical conditions that were limiting but not disabling.) After the 1-Y classification was eliminated by the Selective Service at the end of 1971, Nugent was reclassified as 4-F (“registrant not qualified for any military service”).

“I never **** my pants to get out of the draft,” says Nugent, good-naturedly.

“Unbelievable. Meth,” he replies, in a tone of deep sarcasm. “Yes, that’s my drug of choice. You’ve got to realise that these interviewers would arrive with glazed eyes and I would make stories up. I never did crystal meth. And I never pooped my pants.”

Q: “Are you still a hard case on drugs?”

A: “Real hard. I have never done a drug in my life. I have never smoked a joint in my life. I took two tokes off a joint with the MC5 one night and almost gagged and thought it was stupid. And that’s it. I took two tokes off a joint once. I snorted one line of cocaine. And one line of crystal methedrine before my draft physical — but God, that was worth it because I wanted to see the look on the Sergeant’s face. That’s it for drugs.”
Inconsistent stories so he probably did do something, but it's hard telling an no proof either way after his school deferments expired.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The military preps for all sorts of weird ****. We're an odd lot.
The CDC, at least a few years ago, has a page on being prepared for a zombie apocalypse. (They do, however, state it's not a real thing but their advice is good general preparedness)
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
The zombie apocalypse is how it was marketed pre-2016. I've got a few shirts reminiscent of that era. But my dad sells those, so I didn't go out of my way to buy them (nice gifts).

I remember that. My bro-in-law was big into both the walking dead and tac gear generally.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I think that's one of the points raised in the article. A lot of guys feel like they have to follow some sort of script. Some guys seem to believe that masculinity is about acting a part in a play.

There's a lot of truth in this. The older I get, the more important I think it is for an old-school kinda guy like me to explicitly let younger men know it's fine to be different from those old stereotypes. Otherwise you get this weird generational play act going on.
(Cue my grandfather and father)
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The wiring within the male and female brain's differ. This results in different innate behavior. Males are more visual while females are more verbal. Female's still decorate themselves for male visual appeal, while males have to develop a line of bull for female verbal appeal. Sweet little lies are important to females; you look so nice or we will be together forever. Males like lingerie.

Education is more important to females, since this is conveyed primary through verbal and written means. Men are more hand's and learn by using their eyes and imagination. This difference can male males more rebellious against cultural teachings. Females will follow the rules while men will see flaws or opportunities beyond the verbal corral. The classic example of this difference, were the husband and wife being lost while driving. The wife will look for verbal directions from a stranger, while the husband will try to improvise base on visual cues.

If the goal is to understand natural male and natural female, the basic wiring differences need to be taken into account. They were designed to naturally complement each other; marriage. Marriage would cross program male and female, so the team becomes more than the sum of its parts.

The female brain is more wired side to side; ear to ear. The result is the female brain is better wired between the right and left hemispheres; logical and emotional at the same time. This balance of intellect and emotion is odd to men and men are not always sure how to deal with it.

Males are more wired from front to back; frontal lobe to visual cortex; eyes. However, their lateral wiring; side to side ,is less developed, so the two hemispheres in males are not as well balanced. This wiring and culture causes males to be more left brained, with their right brain less developed; more logic and less emotion. Men can become emotional, but this is more from the unconscious; compulsive. Females emotions are more under her control and it can be used to manipulate; logic behind the sentiment. However, females like male emotions, since it is more raw due to less control and wiring.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
A possibility....
Being "manly" just happens.
Products cannot enable or enhance it.
If anything, buying them for that purpose
is self defeating....proof of failure.
 
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