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Education Distrust

Do you trust Education?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 81.3%
  • No

    Votes: 3 18.8%

  • Total voters
    16

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member


Why do so many people distrust education, and/or the educated?

This seems more prevalent in the US, but I am sure it occurs elsewhere too.

Like vaccine hesitancy, it just completely escapes me.

Do you trust the education system, or the educated? Why or why not?
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.


Why do so many people distrust education, and/or the educated?

This seems more prevalent in the US, but I am sure it occurs elsewhere too.

Like vaccine hesitancy, it just completely escapes me.

Do you trust the education system, or the educated? Why?
Because it's radicalized now and students are not learning properly anymore.

Save the controversy and activism for college.

Stick with the classic three R's for grade school.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Neither of the responses reflect my views.

With regard to not being taught misleading information, yes, I trust the education system.

With regard to instilling knowledge in our youth to their full potential, no, I distrust the education system.

In my years here, children are graduating high school less educated with each generation. I don't think there is an intentional dumbing down. I think it's the result of a system that sacrifices knowledge to being politically correct.
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
I’m all for it. I think most if not all Americans believe that learning how to read and write and add and subtract is beneficial imo.
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon


Why do so many people distrust education, and/or the educated?

This seems more prevalent in the US, but I am sure it occurs elsewhere too.

Like vaccine hesitancy, it just completely escapes me.

Do you trust the education system, or the educated? Why?
As far as vaccination go, distrusting the education system has nothing to do with itimo. I think it’s just those people rely on the immune system that God gave them imo. I just got the updated Covid vax fyi
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
In my years here, children are graduating high school less educated with each generation. I don't think there is an intentional dumbing down. I think it's the result of a system that sacrifices knowledge to being politically correct.

What aspects of "PC" do you think is contributing? PC has always just meant don't be rude to others to me. Not inherently preventing education.

I knew this was not a black and white topic but a lot of people have b&w opinions regarding education. I wanted people to choose a side, otherwise I would have included more options, but I'm more curious about contributing factors.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member


Why do so many people distrust education, and/or the educated?

This seems more prevalent in the US, but I am sure it occurs elsewhere too.
When over 30% believe in creationism, distrust in education is warranted.
Like vaccine hesitancy, it just completely escapes me.

Do you trust the education system, or the educated? Why or why not?
The German education system isn't the best in the world but it is decent enough.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member


Why do so many people distrust education, and/or the educated?

This seems more prevalent in the US, but I am sure it occurs elsewhere too.

Like vaccine hesitancy, it just completely escapes me.

Do you trust the education system, or the educated? Why or why not?

Well, I trust the process of education in general, at least as far as teaching the Three R's. I hear some people complain about public education as lagging behind other countries, particularly in math and science - although that seems to vary by district. The big problem is that the wealthier districts have greater funding than the less advantaged districts.

Some people talk about schools indoctrinating children, but I don't really see that as possible. At least when I was in school, they couldn't indoctrinate us. Just about everything they told us not to do, we did.
 

Secret Chief

Very strong language


Why do so many people distrust education, and/or the educated?

This seems more prevalent in the US, but I am sure it occurs elsewhere too.

Like vaccine hesitancy, it just completely escapes me.

Do you trust the education system, or the educated? Why or why not?
I hope so - I'm a teaching assistant. And I have quite a collection of educational certificates. I trust experts. Why wouldn't I trust the education system?
It does seem to be a mainly American phenomenon, which I think can be explained by the fact that the country is pretty ****** up and seemingly getting worse. :rolleyes:
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
What aspects of "PC" do you think is contributing? PC has always just meant don't be rude to others to me. Not inherently preventing education.

I knew this was not a black and white topic but a lot of people have b&w opinions regarding education. I wanted people to choose a side, otherwise I would have included more options, but I'm more curious about contributing factors.
In my day, kids who didn't score sufficiently or were not proficient enough to move to the next grade flunked the grade. Now we use euphemisms such a "held back" in such cases, but we rarely even do that so we spare the child's or parents feelings. We just allow them to move onto the next level, at which point too many kids are lost due to lack of preparedness, so we dumb down the curriculum so everyone passes.

Competition has been all but eliminated on schools so no child feels left behind. When I was in school, we had things like spelling bees, but neither of my daughters participated in such an event. When asked why, I was told that kids felt bad when they were eliminated.

These are only a couple of examples. If I felt it would be productive, I could continue.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
The big problem is that the wealthier districts have greater funding than the less advantaged districts.

This is one of the biggest issues in America's education system I believe. And this funding extends to everything, from teaching materials, to the availability of the children to eat food (and healthy food).
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
When over 30% believe in creationism, distrust in education is warranted.
Creationism isn't taught in schools, so I have no idea how this is even relevant. Can you please explain the logic here?
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
If belief in creationism is so common that is an indication that critical thinking hasn't been taught effectively - and probably neither has science.
I respectfully disagree. Even presented with science, a child's indoctrination his difficult to overcome just because they learned something in school. They're pressured at home and by the church community.

I don't know if you were ever indoctrinated, but I speak from direct experience.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I respectfully disagree. Even presented with science, a child's indoctrination his difficult to overcome just because they learned something in school. They're pressured at home and by the church community.

I don't know if you were ever indoctrinated, but I speak from direct experience.
Not with religion only politically - and that wasn't very effective.

I agree that indoctrination is difficult to overcome, but that is the duty of a good education. And if the education doesn't overcome indoctrination, it has failed.
(And US education has 1. the disadvantage of having to work against indoctrination and 2. isn't very good, independent from the challenges.)
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Not with religion only politically - and that wasn't very effective.

I agree that indoctrination is difficult to overcome, but that is the duty of a good education. And if the education doesn't overcome indoctrination, it has failed.
(And US education has 1. the disadvantage of having to work against indoctrination and 2. isn't very good, independent from the challenges.)
Again, the education system can do nothing to allay fear of eternal damnation and shaming by a community.

The education system can impart knowledge. It's up to the individual to break free. Those who have not been indoctrinated will struggle to understand this.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
From my early childhood classes...
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In many ways i trust education. But i do sometimes feel we focus too much on certain skills on rote memorization and not on actual interest in learning itself.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
From my early childhood classes...
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In many ways i trust education. But i do sometimes feel we focus too much on certain skills on rote memorization and not on actual interest in learning itself.
There was an hour long lecture done by Lilian Katz(she is some 91 year old who been in the field of early childhood for decades) that i had to watch in class. I could post it if anyone wants to watch it? Basically she went on about how we shouldn't teach kids formal academic education skills too early and instead for early childhood education we should foster their innate curiosity and need to understand the world around them through answering their questions and building onto skills they already possess or in the process of learning through observation.
 
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