Egyptian and Jewish exodus what proof?

[Riders]

The Brooklyn Papyris has names of slaves with very Jewish sounding names

There is something written along time ago saying they were male Hebrew slaves, but it probably wasnt female and children slaves. My understanding from the church was the whole of all Hebrews were slaves. There is also something to suggest that some Hebrew slaves were let go after 6 or 7 years of work. They also had debt slaves, who were let go after the debt was paid.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

LOL! You contradicted yourself.

On one hand, you claimed NOT to be a literalist-- that the bible is allegorical.

But on the other hand? You insist that Exodus really happened as written-- that there really were millions of former Egyptian slaves, wandering a tiny patch of desert for 40 years without leaving so much as a single broken pot behind.

Where?

 

[roger1440]

Kill, murder-- what's the difference among Deities, really? Dead is still dead.

But yeah-- there wouldn't be much of a story if bible's god acted.... GODLY.

Instead of acting like an ant-bully, and deliberately and with malice, setting things up so innocent babies are slaughtered like so much sheep...

You remember that part, right? Where all the first born in Egypt were slaughtered like cattle?

The odds are very high, that the majority of those were innocent infants.

But the bible's god is Famous for punishing the innocent for the "sins" of the "guilty"...

By today’s standards portions of the story of the exodus of the Jews may be politically incorrect, but the story wasn’t written in the 21 century. It was written around the 4th century BC. That is around 2400 years ago. It must be read from the mind set of Jews of that period, not with 21 century thinking. In modern times what is considered politically incorrect has changed in a short period of time. A good example is the book classic Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain written in the year 1884. The book uses the term “******”. If that book was written in the 21 century more than likely Mark Twain would have a hard time getting it published. If the story of the exodus of the Jews were written in the 21 century it would probably use different metaphors, symbols and side stories but the message would still be the same. That message would be that God will redeem what belongs to him. He will protect, provide for and guide what is his.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

By today’s standards portions of the story of the exodus of the Jews may be politically incorrect, but the story wasn’t written in the 21 century. It was written around the 4th century BC. That is around 2400 years ago. It must be read from the mind set of Jews of that period, not with 21 century thinking. In modern times what is considered politically incorrect has changed in a short period of time. A good example is the book classic Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain written in the year 1884. The book uses the term “******”. If that book was written in the 21 century more than likely Mark Twain would have a hard time getting it published. If the story of the exodus of the Jews were written in the 21 century it would probably use different metaphors, symbols and side stories but the message would still be the same. That message would be that God will redeem what belongs to him. He will protect, provide for and guide what is his.

So you believe that Exodus wasn't written with a 21st Century audience in mind?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

By today’s standards portions of the story of the exodus of the Jews may be politically incorrect, but the story wasn’t written in the 21 century. It was written around the 4th century BC. That is around 2400 years ago. It must be read from the mind set of Jews of that period, not with 21 century thinking. In modern times what is considered politically incorrect has changed in a short period of time. A good example is the book classic Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain written in the year 1884. The book uses the term “******”. If that book was written in the 21 century more than likely Mark Twain would have a hard time getting it published. If the story of the exodus of the Jews were written in the 21 century it would probably use different metaphors, symbols and side stories but the message would still be the same. That message would be that God will redeem what belongs to him. He will protect, provide for and guide what is his.

THAT is the "message" you get? Wow.

I have read the story of Exodus at least 100 times--likely more-- (I used to teach sunday school, back in the day).

And I got a lot of messages from that passage-- but "god will redeem" isn't one of them!

It simply does not fly--- they are "rescued" from high civilization (of that day) into a barren desert to nearly starve, nearly die of dehydration and are DELIBERATELY miss guided in their journey for 40 years!

That is a whole new level of malice and deliberate torture!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

.... . He will protect, provide for and guide what is his.

By murdering any and all who happen to be in the way..... !!

Oh! I nearly forgot-- the virgin women get a pass from being brutally murdered; they "get" to be sex slaves instead.

Talk about playing Special Favorites -- immoral beyond measure.

Even a 3 year old understands how UNFAIR that playing Special Favorites is...!

Think about that: a 3 year old is MORE MORAL THAN THE GOD OF EXODUS.

 

[Riders]

By today’s standards portions of the story of the exodus of the Jews may be politically incorrect, but the story wasn’t written in the 21 century. It was written around the 4th century BC. That is around 2400 years ago. It must be read from the mind set of Jews of that period, not with 21 century thinking. In modern times what is considered politically incorrect has changed in a short period of time. A good example is the book classic Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain written in the year 1884. The book uses the term “******”. If that book was written in the 21 century more than likely Mark Twain would have a hard time getting it published. If the story of the exodus of the Jews were written in the 21 century it would probably use different metaphors, symbols and side stories but the message would still be the same. That message would be that God will redeem what belongs to him. He will protect, provide for and guide what is his.

Nice try but comparing Gods murdering million innocent children cannot be compared to MArks TWain use of the N word. That's ridiculous. So if the story of the Exodus wasn't written with us in mind ,we don't need to be reading it.

 

[roger1440]

Nice try but comparing Gods murdering million innocent children cannot be compared to MArks TWain use of the N word. That's ridiculous. So if the story of the Exodus wasn't written with us in mind ,we don't need to be reading it.

Quote the Bible where it says God murdered millions of innocent children.

 

[Riders]

The first born son of every egyptian

 

[roger1440]

The first born son of every egyptian

Quote the verse that uses the word "murder".

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Quote the Bible where it says God murdered millions of innocent children.

Hello? Noah Flood myth-- where the biblegod murders ALL the babies in the world.

All.

The.

Babies-- none were taken on the ark, so they ALL died a brutal death.

As did ALL THE KITTENS. And PUPPIES.

And BUTTERFLIES.

And baby Kola Bears.

The bible's god is kind of an <expletive>

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Babies-- none were taken on the ark, so they ALL died a brutal death.

As did ALL THE KITTENS. And PUPPIES.

And BUTTERFLIES.

And baby Kola Bears.

Damn! You really got me with the 'Kola Bears' (sic).

 

[sayak83]

Quote the verse that uses the word "murder".

Your God did kill hundreds and thousands of first born Egyptian children with deliberate intent. Correct? You do not consider slaughtering children to be a heinous crime? All of the other plagues are also grotesque crimes against humanity allegedly perpetrated by this God, but this one stands out.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Your God did kill hundreds and thousands of first born Egyptian children with deliberate intent. Correct? You do not consider slaughtering children to be a heinous crime? All of the other plagues are also grotesque crimes against humanity allegedly perpetrated by this God, but this one stands out.

Seriously, what, in your opinion, is the value of this type of polemic?

 

[Riders]

Seriously, what, in your opinion, is the value of this type of polemic?

Because you guys have been asking what is the great moral lesson from this story, obviously there isn't any. I don't see any good in the Exodus story.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Because you guys have been asking what is the great moral lesson from this story, obviously there isn't any. I don't see any good in the Exodus story.

Where did I ask such a thing? @Riders, childishly making things up is a poor substitute for thinking.

 

[Riders]

Where did I ask such a thing? @Riders, childishly making things up is a poor substitute for thinking.

Roger1440 did and I said it in reply to this.

By today’s standards portions of the story of the exodus of the Jews may be politically incorrect, but the story wasn’t written in the 21 century. It was written around the 4th century BC. That is around 2400 years ago. It must be read from the mind set of Jews of that period, not with 21 century thinking. In modern times what is considered politically incorrect has changed in a short period of time. A good example is the book classic Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain written in the year 1884. The book uses the term “******”. If that book was written in the 21 century more than likely Mark Twain would have a hard time getting it published. If the story of the exodus of the Jews were written in the 21 century it would probably use different metaphors, symbols and side stories but the message would still be the same. That message would be that God will redeem what belongs to him. He will protect, provide for and guide what is his


So it was said that it has a good message and it does not. This is what I'm responding too.

 

[Riders]

Where did I ask such a thing? @Riders, childishly making things up is a poor substitute for thinking.

I didn't make it up, as I said that came from Roger1440............

 

[Riders]

Seriously, what, in your opinion, is the value of this type of polemic?

So truthfully, you have stepped in here to replies that originally from Roger1440, it makes sense if you look at what he said.

The value of this talk and thinking is that it answers the question statement Roger made about Mark Twin, your butting in trying to make something different out of it.

Keep up and if you don't understand something ask don't accuse, we were speaking to someone different not you. I personally think you got in the middle of this to mess the conversation up.

 

[roger1440]

Because you guys have been asking what is the great moral lesson from this story, obviously there isn't any. I don't see any good in the Exodus story.

In your own words can you give a brief description of the exodus story? In other words, what is it about? Who said anything about a “great moral lesson”?