Egyptian loanwords in the Torah

[Tamino]

Finally, the largest of the Egyptian number symbols, representing 1,000,000, is the seated god
Heh
Heh was one of the eight primeval gods, supposed to carry the heaven under the earth

this is an image of Egyptian Heh seated

And here you can see the Hehu standing while they support the celestial cow (sitting is not a requirement)

My remembering Heh. I thought Heh was 5. Letter Hebrew H
ה

Yud 1 Dalet 4 = Heh 5
Yud spiritual Dalet physical

Yes. Hebrew Heh represents number 5.

KMT (Egypt) So how did Heh seated God also in (Abram) (Abraham), because the Hebrew letter "H" added the name Abraham? Heh (Hei) is the fifth letter of the Hebrew alphabet. ה

I don't see a connection here... As I said "being seated" is not a defining feature of Egyptian god heh. There's plenty of gods that are shown seated, and instances of Heh standing.

Either 1:4 or 1,000,000 is that the same math number because = god sit? = add letter H to Abram, that caused Abraham, did Abraham sit with god then? How come god sit for? What does sit mean? Rest?

No, I don't think that bridge holds. The word Abraham has a few more letters, Egyptian Heh is not defined by sitting and Hebrew letter Heh is usually said to mean "behold, reveal"

Is the highest in Hebrew 1:4 = 5? Can 1,000,000 = 5?

I don't think so.

What does that mean seated god? and did Abraham rest sitting in God's area? Because is that what Heh means?

So if a person uses 'Heh math' to make something, either 1:4 or 1,000,000, would that then be a place to rest while sitting in God's area?

Yes, loanwords could also include math. If so, how come 'heh' has two different outcomes, either 1:4 = 5 or 1,000,000, yet means the same thing with God as God sits? Yud is spiritual, while Dalet is physical. Would that also sit in a god's resting place? Would Physical be sitting in the spiritual god's area then?

Wow, you're trying to find a maximum complicated connection .

Lemme blow your mind. Because there is a connection and it's far easier. This is the evolution of the Hebrew letter from Protosinaitic.

You don't need any complicated symbolic math to find a connection. Instead, it's pretty plain

 

[River Sea]

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this is an image of Egyptian Heh seated
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And here you can see the Hehu standing while they support the celestial cow (sitting is not a requirement)



Yes. Hebrew Heh represents number 5.

I don't see a connection here... As I said "being seated" is not a defining feature of Egyptian god heh. There's plenty of gods that are shown seated, and instances of Heh standing.

No, I don't think that bridge holds. The word Abraham has a few more letters, Egyptian Heh is not defined by sitting and Hebrew letter Heh is usually said to mean "behold, reveal"

I don't think so.


Wow, you're trying to find a maximum complicated connection .

Lemme blow your mind. Because there is a connection and it's far easier. This is the evolution of the Hebrew letter from Protosinaitic.
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You don't need any complicated symbolic math to find a connection. Instead, it's pretty plain

This is where I got the word seat

Annette Imhausen wrote that. I thought seated means sit: so what does seated mean then?

Mathematics in Ancient Egypt: A Contextual History by Annette Imhausen

Mathematics in Ancient Egypt: A Contextual History by Annette Imhausen

www.academia.edu

What is C11 Gardiner number
what is a gardener number, must read pdf to find out
Note: The combination of letter and number (“Gardiner number”) refers to the sign list in Gardiner,
Egyptian grammar

also I see word white lotus plant

what is white lotus plant?

are there any white lotus plants in Indus Valley @Bharat Jhunjhunwala

 

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@Tamino @Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Yud spiritual Dalet physical
Same as

Hebrew letter Heh is usually said to mean "behold, reveal

So Yud Dalet could mean behold reveal

And that's the letter H ה

sit stand means nothing

my being wrong when i saw that word seated

what is seated, don't know

Mathematics in Ancient Egypt: A Contextual History by Annette Imhausen

Mathematics in Ancient Egypt: A Contextual History by Annette Imhausen

www.academia.edu

maybe Annette Imhausen could help us know what does seated means

 

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And here you can see the Hehu standing while they support the celestial cow (sitting is not a requirement)

celestial cow
celestial sky

google search
Who is the Egyptian god Hehu?

Ḥeḥ (ḥḥ, also Huh, Hah, Hauh, Huah, and Hehu) was the personification of infinity or eternity in the Ogdoad in ancient Egyptian religion. His name originally meant "flood", referring to the watery chaos Nu that the Egyptians believed existed before the creation of the world.

Letter Heh God. god Hehu

I go to light who lives in me and allow light teach me how to drink from light in the midst of my situations. That's my simplicity

there's two other post above this one.

Here I also saw hh, and probably that's how they had it because probably back when there weren't any vowels yet. So no, Heh, because no, 'e' just hh so no hehu because no vowels of yet

 

[Tamino]

This is where I got the word seat

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Annette Imhausen wrote that. I thought seated means sit: so what does seated mean then?

Annette Imhausen is perfectly correct. The hieroglyphs for 1000000 is the "seated god Heh"
As in: the god Heh, shown sitting down.

I just wanted to advice you against putting too much importance on the fact that the god is "seated". Heh is not defined by his posture. He may be shown sitting in this specific hieroglyph, but he can also be depicted standing or sitting on a throne.

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What is C11 Gardiner number
what is a gardener number, must read pdf to find out
Note: The combination of letter and number (“Gardiner number”) refers to the sign list in Gardiner,
Egyptian grammar

Yes. Gardiner's sign list is the main reference tool for Egyptologists when it comes to all the different signs of the hieroglyph script.

also I see word white lotus plant

what is white lotus plant?

Yes, that's the sign for 100...

 

[Tamino]

Ḥeḥ (ḥḥ, also Huh, Hah, Hauh, Huah, and Hehu)

And

Here I also saw hh, and probably that's how they had it because probably back when there weren't any vowels yet. So no, Heh, because no, 'e' just hh so no hehu because no vowels of yet

Just to be clear: the Egyptians had vowels in their language! They just were not all written down.
That's why we are not sure how exactly that word would have sounded originally.
That's why you get all those speculative options like Heh, Hah, Hauh etc.
"Hehu" is just the plural. One Heh-God, many Hehu. (Yes, this god can appear on n multiple versions of himself...)

 

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Annette Imhausen is perfectly correct. The hieroglyphs for 1000000 is the "seated god Heh"
As in: the god Heh, shown sitting down.

I just wanted to advice you against putting too much importance on the fact that the god is "seated". Heh is not defined by his posture. He may be shown sitting in this specific hieroglyph, but he can also be depicted standing or sitting on a throne.

@Tamino
I won't place importance on either sitting or standing.

Thank you for explaining this.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

And here you can see the Hehu standing while they support the celestial cow (sitting is not a requirement)

Very very interesting. Can you please provide the reference. Why cow? Could it be connected with biblical .Calf. at Sinai?

 

[Tamino]

Very very interesting. Can you please provide the reference. Why cow? Could it be connected with biblical .Calf. at Sinai?

No, not really. It's more related to flood mythology, only in the Egyptian variation, the flood is made of beer and saves mankind.

The above is a reproduction of the image of the Celestial Cow as described in the associated Egyptian text in the tomb of Seti.
The text contains the Myth of the destruction of Mankind and the following story of the separation of Gods and Men, when Nut, in the form of a cow, lifts sun god Ra into the sky.

There's an excellent multilingual and interlinear translation on this page : Livre de la vache divine

 

[Subduction Zone]

1. Borrowed? No. Purloined? Yes.

What? You mean that they gave them back when they were done with them??

Okay, seriously how can one not realize that a country that often ruled in the area being talked about, the area of modern day Israel, would probably pick up some loan words from those rulers. In fact at the time already stated by believers in this thread the Egyptian kingdom at that time extended north past modern day Syria:

Of course some loan words are going to be left behind. They are not evidence for the Exodus.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

No, not really. It's more related to flood mythology, only in the Egyptian variation, the flood is made of beer and saves mankind.

The above is a reproduction of the image of the Celestial Cow as described in the associated Egyptian text in the tomb of Seti.
The text contains the Myth of the destruction of Mankind and the following story of the separation of Gods and Men, when Nut, in the form of a cow, lifts sun god Ra into the sky.

There's an excellent multilingual and interlinear translation on this page : Livre de la vache divine

This appears French. Is english available?

 

[Tamino]

This appears French. Is english available?

Observe the "multilingual" bit. The website is French, the translation is French/English/German.
Here's the start of the text:

Vallée des rois = KV17

On the bottom of that page you can navigate to the next part.

 

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Observe the "multilingual" bit. The website is French, the translation is French/English/German.
Here's the start of the text:
Vallée des rois = KV17 On the bottom of that page you can navigate to the next part.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala

See screenshot. Showing the upper right. This is where I saw it, so I can translate it to English. Click on the area I highlighted in yellow, "English." I haven't clicked on English yet, so the line appears under French, so it's in French. After clicking on English, the website will switch to the English language.

Vallée des rois = KV17

If you don't see Google Translate, click on what I circled in red—see screenshot.
Google Translate will open up and pick a language.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

No, not really. It's more related to flood mythology, only in the Egyptian variation, the flood is made of beer and saves mankind.

The above is a reproduction of the image of the Celestial Cow as described in the associated Egyptian text in the tomb of Seti.
The text contains the Myth of the destruction of Mankind and the following story of the separation of Gods and Men, when Nut, in the form of a cow, lifts sun god Ra into the sky.

There's an excellent multilingual and interlinear translation on this page : Livre de la vache divine

Does not translate. Says "There was a problem." Can you send the english pdf please?

 

[Tamino]

Does not translate. Says "There was a problem." Can you send the english pdf please?

You don't need to translate the page. Don't be afraid of the written French, it shares its latin roots with English, a lot of words are similar.
And you can safely ignore it:

Just go here: Vallée des rois = KV17

Scroll down past the introduction and the overview of the hieroglyph text.

Below you will find a translation, broken up sentence by sentence.
Each sentence is given in Hieroglyphs, French, English and German.

 

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You don't need to translate the page. Don't be afraid of the written French, it shares its latin roots with English, a lot of words are similar.
And you can safely ignore it:

Just go here: Vallée des rois = KV17

Scroll down past the introduction and the overview of the hieroglyph text.

Below you will find a translation, broken up sentence by sentence.
Each sentence is given in Hieroglyphs, French, English and German.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Vallée des rois = KV17

English version here

THE BOOK OF THE COW FROM HEAVEN​

THE BOOK OF THE DIVINE COW​

Columns 1 - 15

I give the text verse by verse and for comparison the translations of:	I give you all the hieroglyphic texts, in columns and for comparison translations issued from:
( in order )	(in order):
Claire Lalouette = Sacred texts and profane texts from Ancient Egypt (Volume 2) Gallimard, 1989. Rambova/Piankoff = The Shrines of Tut-ankh-Amon, Bollingen Series XL 1977, Erik Hornung = Der Ägyptische Mythos von der Himmelskuh Göttingen, 1982.	Claire Lalouette = Sacred texts and profane texts from Ancient Egypt (Volume 2) Gallimard, 1989. Rambova/Piankoff = The Shrines of Tut-ankh-Amon, Bollingen Series XL 1977, Erik Hornung = Der Ägyptische Mythos von der Himmelskuh Göttingen, 1982.
You will first find the columns at Sethy, then the lines verse by verse .	You will find, first, columns in Sethy's version, and afetr vers by vers

read below photo

Col 1- We can restore according to Ramses II and Ramses III:
verse 1:

At Sethy we have:

After the god who came into existence on his own remained the king of men and gods
Then it became to pass that the majesty of Re, he who created himself......
Nun geschah es, daß Re erstrahlte - der Gott, der Von selber entstand,
verse 2:

was remained the king
having been king
nachdem er das Königtum bekleidet hatte,
verse 3:

men and gods, who then constituted a single “thing”.
of men as well as of the gods.
als Menschen und Götter (noch) vereint waren .
verse 4:

Col 2-
verse 5:

At Sethy we have:

Now His Majesty (Re), may he be alive, prosperous and in good health - was growing old; his bones were silver,
As to his majesty, let him live, be safe and in good health, be had grown old, his bones became like silver,
denn Seine Majestät war ja alt geworden, und seine Knochen waren Silber,

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@Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Vallée des rois = KV17

English version here

THE BOOK OF THE COW FROM HEAVEN​

THE BOOK OF THE DIVINE COW​

Columns 1 - 15

I give the text verse by verse and for comparison the translations of:	I give you all the hieroglyphic texts, in columns and for comparison translations issued from:
( in order )	(in order):
Claire Lalouette = Sacred texts and profane texts from Ancient Egypt (Volume 2) Gallimard, 1989. Rambova/Piankoff = The Shrines of Tut-ankh-Amon, Bollingen Series XL 1977, Erik Hornung = Der Ägyptische Mythos von der Himmelskuh Göttingen, 1982.	Claire Lalouette = Sacred texts and profane texts from Ancient Egypt (Volume 2) Gallimard, 1989. Rambova/Piankoff = The Shrines of Tut-ankh-Amon, Bollingen Series XL 1977, Erik Hornung = Der Ägyptische Mythos von der Himmelskuh Göttingen, 1982.
You will first find the columns at Sethy, then the lines verse by verse .	You will find, first, columns in Sethy's version, and afetr vers by vers

read below photo
View attachment 89355

Col 1- We can restore according to Ramses II and Ramses III:
verse 1:

At Sethy we have:

After the god who came into existence on his own remained the king of men and gods
Then it became to pass that the majesty of Re, he who created himself......
Nun geschah es, daß Re erstrahlte - der Gott, der Von selber entstand,
verse 2:

was remained the king
having been king
nachdem er das Königtum bekleidet hatte,
verse 3:

men and gods, who then constituted a single “thing”.
of men as well as of the gods.
als Menschen und Götter (noch) vereint waren .
verse 4:

Col 2-
verse 5:

At Sethy we have:

Now His Majesty (Re), may he be alive, prosperous and in good health - was growing old; his bones were silver,
As to his majesty, let him live, be safe and in good health, be had grown old, his bones became like silver,
denn Seine Majestät war ja alt geworden, und seine Knochen waren Silber,

Continue next message below

continue from message above

Vallée des rois = KV17

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala English
I don't know where I'm at to continue to copy and paste any more. See the message above. Where I began. It was to long for me to place it in one poste.

How about downloading it into your word or libreoffice and then translating it there?
Let me know if that helps.

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@Bthoth @Bharat Jhunjhunwala @Tamino

Vallée des rois = KV17

THE BOOK OF THE DIVINE COW SOUTH ANNEX​

Legends of the characters of the central scene​

Here are the hieroglyphs around the characters in detail.

The text describing the legends and colors of the bas-reliefs is clearly explained in columns 44 to 55.

From left to right we have as scenes:

The sentence corresponds to verse 201: He who procreates, he who listens, pillar of Heaven! Then,

Then,

Then,

Central scene, Around the characters surrounding the cow we find hieroglyphic legends

Livre de la vache divine

sethy1.free.fr

 

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And here you can see the Hehu standing while they support the celestial cow (sitting is not a requirement)

The above is a reproduction of the image of the Celestial Cow as described in the associated Egyptian text in the tomb of Seti.
The text contains the Myth of the destruction of Mankind and the following story of the separation of Gods and Men, when Nut, in the form of a cow, lifts sun god Ra into the sky.

There's an excellent multilingual and interlinear translation on this page

Livre de la vache divine

sethy1.free.fr

Gopalak cow worship compare to Celestial cow @Bharat Jhunjhunwala @Tamino
Scroll down translate to English

Spiritual monthly magazine published from Geeta Press Gorakhpur
Click below to read the monthly issues of Kalyan

Here's Kalyan for May 2023

http://www.kalyan-gitapress.org/pdf/may_2023.pdf

Here's an example showing cows.
Maybe I can use Google Lens to translate this page, or maybe you can help explain what this page says, @Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Good News I was able to translate this page.
Keep scrolling to the bottom of this post to see in English. I also show how.
Keep in mind that this is one of the pages in the pdf.

Now showing without instructions how to translate.
I'll only copy and paste the translation. PDF Page 7 from Hindi to English

http://www.kalyan-gitapress.org/pdf/may_2023.pdf
PDF page 7

Gopalak cow worship
Among the many purposes of God's incarnation, worship and protection of cows is also an important purpose, because all the gods reside inside the cows. The cow is divine. By singing and worshiping, all the gods are worshiped and their blessings are also obtained. In this world, Gaika has a place like a mother; Because like mother, she is the embodiment of affection. That is why Gopal made his name Gopal meaningful by starting his childhood with cow worship.
Cows were very dear to Gopal. He used to serve them very well. One day Lord Krishna said to his friends - 'Friends! There is no one in the world as helpful as a cow. She nourishes us like a mother by giving us milk, curd and ghee like nectar, hence she is worshiped and worshiped like a mother. Today is Gopashtami. We will decorate the cow very well with flowers and gems. We will offer him various types of dishes and worship him thoroughly with all the treatments. There is no greater virtue in the world than cow service and cow worship and there is no greater blessing from any god or sage than his blessings. Worship of cows is God-worship, the one who serves and worships them is free from the troubles of the world.
Nothing is rare. Therefore, today we will all express our gratitude to these affectionate cow-mothers by serving them for their infinite kindness. It was late due to Gopal's order that all the cowherds
Many types of flowers like marigold, Malti, Hibiscus, lotus etc. were piled up. All the people together decorated the cows in various ways, decorated them with different types of necklaces and flower garlands and tied sweet-sounding bells around their necks. Lord Shyamsundar himself decorated the cows and fed them various types of dishes. All the cows stood up quietly and accepted his worship and filled the cowherds' bags with their silent blessings in their hearts. At last Gopal along with all the cowherd boys accepted the remaining Prasad from the cows with great love.
Dressing up the singer Karavat at the door of Shyam Kharik. The neck fair necklace was decorated with horns in many ways. The bell's neck is covered with pearl plates on the back. Kinkini Nupur's feet are in constant progress. By this method, the beauty of Vraj cow's beauty increased immensely. Blissful Lord Dhenu, in all his attire, everyone is a fool. The beautiful form of Lord Krishna's cows and
Describing the adornment, Maharishi Gargaji writes: They resembled white mountains and were adorned with divine ornaments They were decorated with bells and chains and a network of bells They had golden horns and necklaces equal to gold.
That is, millions of beautiful cows are seen at every door there. Those cows are adorned with divine ornaments and appear like white mountains. Their bells and bells keep making melodious sounds. The horns of those cows adorned with red nets have been plated with gold. She wears golden necklaces and garlands. Radiance keeps emanating from his body parts.

Please click expand to read in English

 

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when why

PIE language and its incipient dialects. This
kind of evidence has been observed in various parts of the world: closely packed
areas of related languages indicate original habitat, while a geographically wide
spread of one (sub)family points to recent expansion. Bantu covers all of Central,
East, and South Africa while its parent group, Niger-Congo, has a very dense
arrangement of diverse languages in West Africa.

What language did the Bantu people speak in Africa?
Is Bantu a Niger-Congo language?
Niger–Congo languages - Wikipedia
Within Niger–Congo, the Bantu languages alone account for 350 million people (2015), or half the total Niger–Congo speaking population. The most widely spoken Niger–Congo languages by number of native speakers are Yoruba, Igbo, Fula, Lingala, Ewe, Fon, Ga-Dangme, Shona, Sesotho, Xhosa, Zulu, Akan, and Mooré.

Niger–Congo languages - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

or
THE INDO-ARYAN
CONTROVERSY
Evidence and inference in
Indian history
Edited by
Edwin F. Bryant and
Laurie L. Patton

https://ia802909.us.archive.org/6/items/EdwinBryantLauriePattonIndoAryanControversyEvidenceAndInferenceInIndianHistoryRoutledge2005/Edwin%20Bryant%2C%20Laurie%20Patton-Indo-Aryan%20Controversy_%20Evidence%20and%20Inference%20in%20Indian%20History-Routledge%20%282005%29.pdf

@GoodAttention @Bharat Jhunjhunwala your thoughts

THE INDO-ARYAN CONTROVERSY: EVIDENCE AND INFERENCE IN INDIAN HISTORY. Edited by EDWIN F BRYANT and LAURIE PATTON. pp. xi, 522. London and New York, Routledge, 2005

THE INDO-ARYAN CONTROVERSY: EVIDENCE AND INFERENCE IN INDIAN HISTORY. Edited by EDWIN F BRYANT and LAURIE PATTON. pp. xi, 522. London and New York, Routledge, 2005

www.academia.edu

THE INDO-ARYAN CONTROVERSY: EVIDENCE AND INFERENCE IN INDIAN HISTORY. Edited by EDWIN F BRYANT and LAURIE PATTON. pp. xi, 522. London and New York, Routledge, 2005

The Indo-Aryan Controversy: Evidence and Inference in Indian History Edited by
Edwin F Bryant and Laurie Patton. pp. xxxxx. London and New York, Routledge Curzon, 2005
doi:10.1017/S135618630700733X
This volume highlights some of the ways in which questions on origins challenge historical
reconstructions. The debate on Indo Aryan, a linguistic phenomenon, revolves around two opposing
views. One, that its initial presence within north-west South Asia can be verified only from the second
millennium BC onwards, and the other, that it was native to the region

https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/320005

Abstract
The emergence of early Mesopotamian (Sumerian) civilization must be understood within the framework of the unique ecology and geography of the alluvial lowlands of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers during the late 5th and 4th millennia b.c. The former gave Mesopotamian societies important advantages in agricultural productivity and subsistence resource resilience not possessed by contemporary polities on their periphery, while the latter gave them enduring transportational advantages. This material imbalance created opportunities and incentives that made it both possible and probable that early Mesopotamian elites would use trade as one of their earliest and most important tools to legitimize and expand their unequal access to resources and power. Given this, a still hypothetical (but testable) model is presented that accounts for the precocious socioeconomic differentiation and urban growth of southern Mesopotamia in the 4th millennium as social multiplier effects inadvertently set in motion by evolving trade patterns. This trade was first largely internal, between individual southern polities exploiting rich but localized ecological niches within the Mesopotamian alluvium during the Late Ubaid and Early Uruk periods. By the Middle and Late Uruk periods, however, inherently asymmetrical external trade between growing southern cities and societies at their periphery in control of coveted resources gained more prominence. In due course, import substitution processes further amplified the one sided socioevolutionary impact on southern societies of these shifting trade patterns. Unequal developmental rates resulting from the operation of these processes over time explain why the earliest complex societies of southwestern Asia appeared in southern Mesopotamia and not elsewhere.

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