"Egyptian Parliament Considers Outlawing Atheism"

[Skwim]

But you did spell it out - 'Islam, go figure' has an obvious meaning. Imagine the same words used to describe another group, 'Christians, go figure' 'Women, go figure' or ' Homosexuals, go figure'.
It is grouping millions of people with different opinions as all being the same.

If you insist on taking offense, go ahead. I can't care enough to be bothered by your problem.

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[LionLooking]

So what's a small minority of 1.6 billion people?

That's simple maths - a minority of 1.6 billion would be 799,999,999 so a small minority would be significantly less than this.
Take the two of us - both Englishmen, but with radically different opinions. Obviously, all Englishmen are not the same. Believe it or not, the same can be said of Muslims.

 

[LionLooking]

If you insist on taking offense, go ahead.

I'm not taking offence - I'm merely pointing out that tarring a whole group with the same brush is an error.

I can't care enough to be bothered by your problem..

That's a shame - if more of us cared about others then the world would be a much happier place.

 

[England my lionheart]

That's simple maths - a minority of 1.6 billion would be 799,999,999 so a small minority would be significantly less than this.
Take the two of us - both Englishmen, but with radically different opinions. Obviously, all Englishmen are not the same. Believe it or not, the same can be said of Muslims.

Yes of course the maths make it a minority but in reality can you put a figure on that?, I very much doubt it so to me it sounds like apologetics.

 

[Skwim]

That's a shame - if more of us cared about others then the world would be a much happier place.

The implication being, of course, if I don't care about your problem I don't care about others.

Hope the irony isn't lost on you.

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[England my lionheart]

That's simple maths - a minority of 1.6 billion would be 799,999,999 so a small minority would be significantly less than this.
Take the two of us - both Englishmen, but with radically different opinions. Obviously, all Englishmen are not the same. Believe it or not, the same can be said of Muslims.

And its true "all English men are not the same" because we have the right to be different without repercussions, this isn't true for these guys at all.

 

[LionLooking]

Yes of course the maths make it a minority but in reality can you put a figure on that?, I very much doubt it so to me it sounds like apologetics.

I know many Muslims - some are friends, others are not.
Of this group, none (as far as I know) have extremist views like wanting to criminalise atheism.
What evidence do you have that a majority of Muslims have extremist views? Surely you know that what a government does is not always what the people it represents would like?

 

[LionLooking]

The implication being, of course, if I don't care about your problem I don't care about others.

Hope the irony isn't lost on you..

No, I understand irony very well indeed.
I made no implication at all - save for that you said you didn't care about my problem. Read into that what you will but I meant exactly what I said.
I care - if you don't then that's a shame.

 

[LionLooking]

And its true "all English men are not the same" because we have the right to be different without repercussions, this isn't true for these guys at all.

'These guys' may not have the rights you allude to, but they do have their own thoughts which are not taken away by laws.

 

[England my lionheart]

I know many Muslims - some are friends, others are not.
Of this group, none (as far as I know) have extremist views like wanting to criminalise atheism.
What evidence do you have that a majority of Muslims have extremist views? Surely you know that what a government does is not always what the people it represents would like?

True enough but I find it quite extreme that I would be on the BBQ more than once in their beliefs, how extreme you find that I cannot be a homosexual/lesbian, apostate, dance or swim with my wife, I guess what I take for granted is the minimal I'd expect for others.
If a majority of Muslims were terrorists we would be in a world of **** but there are enough dead people for the amount there are which you don't know but it's enough obviously.

 

[LionLooking]

True enough but I find it quite extreme that I would be on the BBQ more than once in their beliefs, how extreme you find that I cannot be a homosexual/lesbian, apostate, dance or swim with my wife, I guess what I take for granted is the minimal I'd expect for others.

None of the Muslims I know hold those views - in fact, two of them are gay

If a majority of Muslims were terrorists we would be in a world of **** but there are enough dead people for the amount there are which you don't know but it's enough obviously.

Yes, it's true that I don't know every Muslim. There are many, I'm sure, who do have extremist views. My point is that not all of them do. And, based on the (admittedly, very small) group I do know, none of them have extremist views.
My point is that grouping Muslims together as all sharing the same mindset is a mistake.
If we can agree on this then I see no need for debate. If we can't then I shall continue.

 

[England my lionheart]

'These guys' may not have the rights you allude to, but they do have their own thoughts which are not taken away by laws.

My word for that is bollocks and lots of it.

 

[England my lionheart]

None of the Muslims I know hold those views - in fact, two of them are gay

Yes, it's true that I don't know every Muslim. There are many, I'm sure, who do have extremist views. My point is that not all of them do. And, based on the (admittedly, very small) group I do know, none of them have extremist views.
My point is that grouping Muslims together as all sharing the same mindset is a mistake.
If we can agree on this then I see no need for debate. If we can't then I shall continue.

Is their main reference the quran?,that's the same mind set isn't it?.

 

[LionLooking]

My word for that is bollocks and lots of it.

Oh, so you don't accept that any Muslims in Egypt disagree with their parliament, even if they don't voice their concerns?

Is their main reference the quran?,that's the same mind set isn't it?.

Not the same mindset, no - it depends on interpretation. Just as Christians interpret the Bible differently.

 

[England my lionheart]

Oh, so you don't accept that any Muslims in Egypt disagree with their parliament, even if they don't voice their concerns?

In an earlier post I mentioned 2,there are and a growing number of people who will speak out, the consequences of that can be fatal, lucky me and you as English men who don't have that hanging over our heads.


Not the same mindset, no - it depends on interpretation. Just as Christians interpret the Bible differently.

So as afaik every follower has the quran/Koran as their final reference point redardless of whether sunni Shia and all the sects within the schools.

 

[Notanumber]

Only you can answer that one.

Then it seems we agree - although, rather than critique a whole religion, I would only critique those with whom I disagree: a small minority.

I critique those that follow the book. The rest are apostates.

 

[LionLooking]

In an earlier post I mentioned 2,there are and a growing number of people who will speak out..

Yet you deny that any Muslims are not extremist?
As I said, if we can agree that not all Muslims think the same way then we have no disagreement.

So as afaik every follower has the quran/Koran as their final reference point redardless of whether sunni Shia and all the sects within the schools.

Yep, and every Christian has the Bible as theirs. All Christians do not think in the same way, and neither do Muslims, Atheists, Buddhists or any other group.

 

[Notanumber]

Oh, so you don't accept that any Muslims in Egypt disagree with their parliament, even if they don't voice their concerns?

Who wants to live in a country where you are not allowed to voice your concerns?

 

[Notanumber]

Yep, and every Christian has the Bible as theirs.

Atheists don’t have their bible but they are the ones being targeted.

 

[LionLooking]

Who wants to live in a country where you are not allowed to voice your concerns?

Not me - that's why I have sympathy for those Muslims who are not extreme in their views.

Atheists don’t have their bible but they are the ones being targeted

Indeed, but targetted by the Egyptian government, not targetted by every Muslim. That's my point.