Election [I]was[/I] stolen -- but not by Russian hacking.

[esmith]

I would also agree. But right wing histeria does exist after losing a tough election, it just takes on a different form.

Yes Obama and the Dem's are the firearm manufactures best sales representatives.
But I think those that assumed the worse were a little, how should I say this, paranoid.
I don't trust liberals when it comes to firearms though, I think they are the biggest threat to firearm ownership in the United States.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't trust liberals when it comes to firearms though, I think they are the biggest threat to firearm ownership in the United States.

There aren't many who are threatening gun ownership. Hillary certainly didn't. Eve with her in office, you and I would have been keeping our guns.

 

[Kemosloby]

Oh, so they're lying? Are you sure about this?

Could be, and fostering insurrection.

 

[esmith]

There aren't many who are threatening gun ownership. Hillary certainly didn't. Eve with her in office, you and I would have been keeping our guns.

I'm basing my opinion on what's going on in California.
For example they have passed a law that a 10 day waiting period is mandatory even for those that have a concealed carry permit when purchasing a firearm.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

For example they have passed a law that a 10 day waiting period is mandatory even for those that have a concealed carry permit when purchasing a firearm.

Which is taking guns away from no one and posing threats to the ownership of no one, except those who perhaps shouldn't have them.

 

[esmith]

Which is taking guns away from no one and posing threats to the ownership of no one, except those who perhaps shouldn't have them.

Are you saying this in general or in reference to the inane laws being passed in California especially the last one about the 10 day waiting period

Do you think that the Dem's wouldn't push for a ban on what they call "assault weapons", magazine capacity, suppressors, up background checks to those purchasing ammunition, to name a few

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Are you saying this in general or in reference to the inane laws being passed in California especially the last one about the 10 day waiting period

I'm saying that law may be an inconvenience, but it is not threatening to ownership.

 

[Sonofason]

We vote in the next election. I didn't like the results, but those are the results. You're right, "get over it" is a lazy response designed to deligitimize political opposition for next time.

Voter turnout was why we lost. Many, many people did not vote who could have and should have.

I'm optimistic that 2018 might be an election year under the rallying cry "Nueter Trump" with a democrat supermajority.

We can do this!!

I'm not worried, Trump is likely going to fulfill his campaign promises within the first two years of his term. And then true Americans will see the benefits immediately, and in two years even more republicans will be incorporated into the House and Senate.

 

[Sonofason]

Slander is not illegal.
Moreover, the press is protected against suits for slander
or libel by a fairly high legal hurdle in suing for damages.
Elements of Libel and Slander - FindLaw

Slander should be illegal. I submit liars should be executed, legally of course.

 

[Nietzsche]

I'm not worried, Trump is likely going to fulfill his campaign promises within the first two years of his term. And then true Americans will see the benefits immediately, and in two years even more republicans will be incorporated into the House and Senate.

Jawohl! One People, One State, One Leader!

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I don't trust liberals when it comes to firearms though, I think they are the biggest threat to firearm ownership in the United States.

How many times has the gun lobby shrieked 'The liberals are coming to take our guns away!'? How many times has it actually happened?

 

[psychoslice]

Obama is a very dangerous man, he will make up anything to stir the Russians into war, he like Hillary are nothing but warmongers.

 

[Sonofason]

Obama is a very dangerous man, he will make up anything to stir the Russians into war, he like Hillary are nothing but warmongers.

I believe that you might be missing an important point. I would not say that Obama is necessarily a war-monger so much as he is a part of a political movement that he will stop at nothing to attain. Do you not think that a war with Russia would be a complete distraction from the Trump promises? Do you not think that Obama would be very pleased if he could dedicate all of Trumps time and resources to avert a crippling war with Russia or China, so that Trump is restrained from fulfilling his promises to the American people, thus quenching Trump's intent to reverse the damage that has already been done by liberals in this country? How can we build a wall when we need soldiers? What is the value of jobs in America if what we need is more soldiers?

 

[Kuzcotopia]

I'm not worried, Trump is likely going to fulfill his campaign promises within the first two years of his term. And then true Americans will see the benefits immediately, and in two years even more republicans will be incorporated into the House and Senate.

If that happens, great!

More Americans with higher paying jobs, badly needed infrastructure spending, and and economic growth topping 4% a year or more.

Now if it doesn't happen, there will be no scapegoats, right? No evil liberals? No biased media? No traitorous Republicans who won't bend to Trump's will?

If this fails to happen with,congressional majorities in both houses, will you be willing to blame Trump for it? Or will he be too busy distracting you with the War on Christmas?

That knife cuts both ways, sir.

 

[Sonofason]

If that happens, great!

More Americans with higher paying jobs, badly needed infrastructure spending, and and economic growth topping 4% a year or more.

Now if it doesn't happen, there will be no scapegoats, right? No evil liberals? No biased media? No traitorous Republicans who won't bend to Trump's will?

If this fails to happen with,congressional majorities in both houses, will you be willing to blame Trump for it? Or will he be too busy distracting you with the War on Christmas?

That knife cuts both ways, sir.

Well, every thing is subject to change. It is very well within the power of liberals to prevent Trump from doing what he promised to do. Even now liberals seem intent to start a war with Russia, likely intended to distract Trump from his task at hand. There is no reason to bring jobs to America if all America needs is more soldiers to fight in a War. So the question is, will liberals allow America be great again?

 

[esmith]

I'm saying that law may be an inconvenience, but it is not threatening to ownership.

but it does show the anti-gun policies of the Dem's

 

[psychoslice]

I believe that you might be missing an important point. I would not say that Obama is necessarily a war-monger so much as he is a part of a political movement that he will stop at nothing to attain. Do you not think that a war with Russia would be a complete distraction from the Trump promises? Do you not think that Obama would be very pleased if he could dedicate all of Trumps time and resources to avert a crippling war with Russia or China, so that Trump is restrained from fulfilling his promises to the American people, thus quenching Trump's intent to reverse the damage that has already been done by liberals in this country? How can we build a wall when we need soldiers? What is the value of jobs in America if what we need is more soldiers?

Yes liberals certanily have stuffed up the country, and warmongers do need more soldiers, and expensive weapons coasting billions of dollars, this is what Trump realizes and is going and have already done something about it, yes Trump is the man for the job.

 

[Sonofason]

Yes liberals certanily have stuffed up the country, and warmongers do need more soldiers, and expensive weapons coasting billions of dollars, this is what Trump realizes and is going and have already done something about it, yes Trump is the man for the job.

An interesting take you have. May I ask, who is pulling the puppet's strings...the liberals? Or is it an entity far more sinister?

 

[metis]

Obama is a very dangerous man, he will make up anything to stir the Russians into war, he like Hillary are nothing but warmongers.

You gotta be kidding.

BTW, did you actually listen to any of Trump's speeches about what he'd like to do in Syria and possibly elsewhere? Are you aware he has already nominated three generals?

Obama did his best to try and keep us out of war even though he found it too difficult to withdraw altogether from conflicts we were in that he didn't start. Unlike Trump, Obama was opposed to going into Iraq from the get-go.

Trump knows next to nothing about foreign policy and strategy connected to that, which makes him prone to accepting bad advice while not doing his homework, and even some of his fellow Republicans are really concerned about this.

 

[Sonofason]

You gotta be kidding.

BTW, did you actually listen to any of Trump's speeches about what he'd like to do in Syria and possibly elsewhere? Are you aware he has already nominated three generals?

Obama did his best to try and keep us out of war even though he found it too difficult to withdraw altogether from conflicts we were in that he didn't start. Unlike Trump, Obama was opposed to going into Iraq from the get-go.

Trump knows next to nothing about foreign policy and strategy connected to that, which makes him prone to accepting bad advice while not doing his homework, and even some of his fellow Republicans are really concerned about this.

Are you aware that Obama appointed 3 generals to his cabinet as well?
Now Obama promises to make Russia pay for doing stuff that we do too.
Why not put the blame on ourselves for not taking greater care of information and processes we desire to keep safe from intruders. We have spies too.