Election [I]was[/I] stolen -- but not by Russian hacking.

[idav]

I don't really care that much. I realize that an end to privacy has been coming for quite some time. This is my advice for those that desire to keep something secret, they ought to keep their secrets to themselves. And I would suggest that Yahoo and Gmail do not merit inclusion as being part of that which I would define as one's self. There is no email that I would ever write that included information that I considered private. Perhaps our dealings from these days forth ought to be face to face.

Well tell you one thing I'd rather see what the Kremlin has been up to than what the RNC is doing "privately".

 

[Sonofason]

Well tell you one thing I'd rather see what the Kremlin has been up to than what the RNC is doing "privately".

And what exactly is the RNC doing privately?

I personally believe that people who are incapable of keeping secrets ought not to try to keep secrets. I'd be perfectly fine if I knew all of your shortcomings, as I would be perfectly fine if you knew all of mine.

 

[esmith]

I don't think hacking of emails is the major problem other than it points to a very very large hole in cyber security. As much personal information is put out on Facebook and other sources I wouldn't feel sorry if anyone's email was hacked. If you don't want the information known don't go putting it out on the interweb. I'm really concerned with the possible damage that can be done to our infrastructure, business's, and a whole host of others that I have left out. Don't want your emails read by someone don't send them and if you do and if they are that sensitive encrypt them.

 

[idav]

I don't think hacking of emails is the major problem other than it points to a very very large hole in cyber security. As much personal information is put out on Facebook and other sources I wouldn't feel sorry if anyone's email was hacked. If you don't want the information known don't go putting it out on the interweb. I'm really concerned with the possible damage that can be done to our infrastructure, business's, and a whole host of others that I have left out. Don't want your emails read by someone don't send them and if you do and if they are that sensitive encrypt them.

The real issue is the vulnerability of elected officials overseeing our government. The other most concerning of the hacks to me was various states voting registries being compromised.

 

[UpperLimits]

.... had about 137% voter turn out. One has to wonder if they shouldn't consider recounting the entire nation. Or, perhaps just the counties where she "won."

And now this from Nevada. (Another place where Hillary "won." - 2 counties out of 17 anyways...)

Personally, I'd be far less worried about some supposed "Russian hacking" than what the DNC is apparently actually trying to pull off.

 

[Sonofason]

And now this from Nevada. (Another place where Hillary "won." - 2 counties out of 17 anyways...)

Personally, I'd be far less worried about some supposed "Russian hacking" than what the DNC is apparently actually trying to pull off.

Now, try convincing a democrat that this happened.

 

[UpperLimits]

Now, try convincing a democrat that this happened.

Admittedly, that could be a problem....

 

[UpperLimits]

And then there's this in California....

 

[UpperLimits]

And what about the state of Georgia who had their computer voting records rifled through by the Department of Homeland Security. Apparently they were just "testing" security levels.... (after they were caught, of course.)

 

[Sonofason]

And then there's this in California....

Provisional ballots ought not be counted. If a voter refuses to show a photo ID, they do not deserve to have a vote. We need to prevent illegally cast votes. If you want to vote, you ought to as a matter of decency, get a photo ID. That ought to be the law in all states. It's not hard to get a photo ID. Only deceitful people would refuse to do that.

I realize that mistakes can be made, but if a voter's name does not appear on the electoral roll for the given precinct, it is very likely that that person is not a registered voter, and does not have the right to vote in an election.

 

[Sonofason]

And what about the state of Georgia who had their computer voting records rifled through by the Department of Homeland Security. Apparently they were just "testing" security levels.... (after they were caught, of course.)

I would say they have broken the law, and should face criminal charges.

 

[Sonofason]

Provisional ballots ought not be counted. If a voter refuses to show a photo ID, they do not deserve to have a vote. We need to prevent illegally cast votes. If you want to vote, you ought to as a matter of decency, get a photo ID. That ought to be the law in all states. It's not hard to get a photo ID. Only deceitful people would refuse to do that.

I realize that mistakes can be made, but if a voter's name does not appear on the electoral roll for the given precinct, it is very likely that that person is not a registered voter, and does not have the right to vote in an election.

edit: however, The Clerk's office receives all provisional ballots and determines the registration status for each provisional voter within two weeks after the election. If the Clerk's office determines you are registered and eligible to vote: Your ballot is counted.
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[Sonofason]

But then, I see a problem, especially with regard to illegal immigrants. Suppose they cast a provisional ballot...apparently,

• If you are not registered, the votes you cast will not be counted. However, the information you supplied on the affidavit form will serve as a registration application. In this case, you will receive a voter identification card in the mail, which will enable you to vote in the next election unless you move before then.How Provisional Votes Are Counted

Why in hell would we register illegal immigrants to vote in the next election?

 

[UpperLimits]

edit: however, The Clerk's office receives all provisional ballots and determines the registration status for each provisional voter within two weeks after the election. If the Clerk's office determines you are registered and eligible to vote: Your ballot is counted.
Google

Thank you for clarifying that. Not being an American, I'm not entirely familiar with all the finer procedures of your system.

The point that stuck with me in this persons testimony though was that about 20% of the people coming to the polls ended up being these provisional voters. Also there was the situation that person, after person, after person, claimed that they had had their status changed. Not knowing the background, of course, one simply cannot make a determination on the matter. But something just seems like it's a little suspicious.

But then again, I suppose there's always the possibility that these people had all voted illegally in the past and now a new system had finally caught up to their scheme. (It's been joked that southern California would be deserted if they kicked out all the illegals.)

 

[UpperLimits]

I would say they have broken the law, and should face criminal charges.

Isn't the DHS supposedly "above the law?" They do seem to have considerable latitude.

 

[Sonofason]

Thank you for clarifying that. Not being an American, I'm not entirely familiar with all the finer procedures of your system.

The point that stuck with me in this persons testimony though was that about 20% of the people coming to the polls ended up being these provisional voters. Also there was the situation that person, after person, after person, claimed that they had had their status changed. Not knowing the background, of course, one simply cannot make a determination on the matter. But something just seems like it's a little suspicious.

But then again, I suppose there's always the possibility that these people had all voted illegally in the past and now a new system had finally caught up to their scheme. (It's been joked that southern California would be deserted if they kicked out all the illegals.)

Great, can't wait till we get that done.

 

[Sonofason]

Isn't the DHS supposedly "above the law?" They do seem to have considerable latitude.

If that is true, it's time we put an end to it.