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Elective Disease

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Read the OP.
It's about prioritization, which you keep ignoring.
I don't want to continue addressing your taking
offense at your own highly personal strawman.
I've spoken on prioritization in multiple posts in this thread. You have yet to give a good reason to make it about jab status rather than the individual level of sickness.
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Yep, I recognize that. But at what else do those individuals need? Misinformation is disproven over time and as more statistics enforce the effectiveness of the vaccine, that excuse loses its strength.

Yup, if you are looking at it logically, and not out of fear, or through a pair of politically tinted glasses. And it still comes back to, how does it help to set up this division between those who got the vaccine and those who didn't. Especially when that division includes name calling and blame
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I've spoken on prioritization in multiple posts in this thread.
Let's change the framing a bit with a hypothetical exercise. There are three individuals:
  • An individual with a gun shot wound to the chest.
  • An unvaccinated individual suffering from COVID complications.
  • A drunk man found in the bushes outside of a local Olive Garden
You get to choose who gets the one remaining hospital bed in the ICU. Who would you choose?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I've spoken on prioritization in multiple posts in this thread. You have yet to give a good reason to make it about jab status rather than the individual level of sickness.
I gave good reasons from my perspective.
I just disagree with your priorities.
I don't favor rewarding dangerous irresponsibility
with preference in times of shortage.
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
I didn't dislike it.
Just thought you weren't contributing anything useful.

Especially since it is not agreeing your position due to your vitriol for the "anti-vaxers" and not throwing gas on the fire of vaccine division and derision eh
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Yup, if you are looking at it logically, and not out of fear, or through a pair of politically tinted glasses. And it still comes back to, how does it help to set up this division between those who got the vaccine and those who didn't. Especially when that division includes name calling and blame
People are naturally frustrated. It is like a group project in high school with those who don't contribute. Except instead of getting a D- in Civics Class, you die.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Ok you be Frank and I will be Joe ;)

I agree with you. Lets also push aside the DWI driver who wrecked, the person who is diabetic because of their poor diet, the person suffering cardiac stress because of their hefty weight, the addicted who overdosed, etc.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Let's change the framing a bit with a hypothetical exercise. There are three individuals:
  • An individual with a gun shot wound to the chest.
  • An unvaccinated individual suffering from COVID complications.
  • A drunk man found in the bushes outside of a local Olive Garden
You get to choose who gets the one remaining hospital bed in the ICU. Who would you choose?
The person with the greatest need, obviously. I thought I made that clear. Shoot, I want to the ER earlier this year for being far too drunk and I didn't get a room. They just stuck me on a gurney infront of the nurse's station until I came to and then sent me home. So be it.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
The person with the greatest need, obviously. I thought I made that clear. Shoot, I want to the ER earlier this year for being far too drunk and I didn't get a room. They just stuck me on a gurney infront of the nurse's station until I came to and then sent me home. So be it.
You didn't choose.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Especially since it is not agreeing your position due to your vitriol for the "anti-vaxers" and not throwing gas on the fire of vaccine division and derision eh
I didn't see you disagree...or even take a position.
One might say that you came here with no views
on the matter....just "vitriol".
But I'd never say such a thing.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Ok you be Frank and I will be Joe ;)

I agree with you. Lets also push aside the DWI driver who wrecked, the person who is diabetic because of their poor diet, the person suffering cardiac stress because of their hefty weight, the addicted who overdosed, etc.
All of those individuals get pushed aside if there aren't any beds, thats the problem.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I would have to know more about the individual case, obviously. Probably the person with the gunshot wound, duh. Oh, but maybe he's unjabbed, a gangbanger, a drunk, drug addict, etc. so leave him to die. Happy now?
I am, thank you! I agree and that is part of the discussion we are having. But when you insist on making it a personal attack against yourself, it makes these discussions less enjoyable.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I am, thank you! I agree and that is part of the discussion we are having. But when you insist on making it a personal attack against yourself, it makes these discussions less enjoyable.
What exactly do you agree with? There was some sarcasm there, in case you didn't know.
 
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