Right now she'd get my vote:
Elizabeth Warren: It’s time to work on America’s agenda - The Washington Post
Elizabeth Warren: It’s time to work on America’s agenda - The Washington Post
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Elizabeth Warren for President(?)
- Thread starter icehorse
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I certainly understand why some Democrats find her a candidate they would support. But I think the Hillary machine will prevail. Then Hillary will lose the election in 2016 to the Republican candidate. As a Republican, I am more worried about a Warren than a Hillary, but also I think Hillary has the nomination wrapped up.
Levite
Higher and Higher
I'd vote for her. I might even vote for her with some vague shred of optimism or hope that she might potentially not royally screw everything up and actually get something accomplished without it being reduced to ridiculous half-assery.
But I seriously doubt she will get the nomination. My prediction is that she'll run a decent race in the primaries, Hillary will get the nomination, but in exchange for Warren's support, she'll be promised some posting of real value in the Clinton cabinet after the election. State, maybe, or Treasury, or AG.
If she got the nomination, she might have a decent chance. She'd lose most of the swing vote, and some of the right-wing Democrats, but she'd pick up a fair number on the left and through energizing the apathetic center-left of the Democratic party-- probably enough to make up the difference, maybe enough for a real spike in numbers. But it won't happen. She doesn't have enough corporations and super-rich guys behind her to compete with the cash Hillary will raise, and she's too much of a progressive for the DCCC to back her unless Hillary decided not to run or somehow had to drop out or something.
But unless some unforeseen mischance sidelines Hillary, I think she'll get the nomination without question, and will probably win, though not by a landslide. The numbers she'll lose for being a woman and for being polarizing in one way or another probably won't be too much not to be offset by the numbers she'll gain after the Republicans in Congress have had a year and a half to start running us into the ground again.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
But, again, what does she propose? How does she plan to save the world?
Mine as well.
Some problems I see:
- The linked article doesn't really say anything. There's no substance. She brings up things which people feel strongly about, & gives the impression that she cares, but she takes no position.
- She belongs to the same party which has delivered the same old same old....war, crony capitalism, deception, bloated government, incompetence. What indicates she'll be different?
- For Wash Po to give her this venue for campaign piece puffery, I see more of the collusion between the press & pols.
- No swimsuit pix.
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I now retract what I said positive about Warren in the "Hillary verse Warren" discussion.
Senate Majority (well, to be Minority after the shellacking and rejection of Obamanism by the American people in the recent Congressional elections) Leader Harry Reid (Democrat of Nevada) expanded his leadership team Thursday, including the addition of liberal leftist Elizabeth Warren (Democrat of Massachusetts), to beat back internal critics who were voting to have his liberal leftist leadership removed.
This is clearly an attempt by the leftists such as Reid who are rejected by America to beat back internal critics and cling to his powerhold on the Democratic Party in the Senate while even many Democrats now say it is time for his type of "leadership" of stonewalling and blocking any action by America to go the way of the dinosaur.
With Warren acting as the defensive line for such failed "leadership" fresh off of receiving huge amounts of money and "donations" from super rich donors who lobby for their own special interests by way of crony capitalism alliances of unaccountable big government and their personal riches, I have now changed my mind that Warren could be the alternative to Hillary Clinton.
It doesn't matter what lies and words she uses, she is just another Harry Reid look-a-like in realtime and not movie theatric OZ time, and I now predict she will be rejected by the American people who are wising up to these insulting selfish power hungry despots of divisionalism.
The gig is up, the Democrats had a chance to change but Warren is acting as a defensive linebacker to prevent ousting the gig-a-thon leadership that brought the shellacking by the Middle Class such gig-meisters richly deserved.
Warren now has no chance of winning in 2016, she is nothing more than such gig-meisters last hope to collect big donations from super rich types who have some kooky hatred of Middle America and want the Middle Class destroyed and who, like the architect of Obamacare, consider Americans "stupid" and easy to pull the wool over their eyes with spin and promises.
Despite the snub Hillary received recently, Warren is more gullible than the Americans she thinks are too stupid to keep their own Middle Class money. Her name is now "Misses Reid". Hillary's chances have improved now. As so typical, the Clinton's are good at the "game", probably better than Warren who is a Harry Reid part Two and will be rejected by Americans while the phony liberal news tells us we all love her like we all supposidly love Obamacare and a pourous Southern border and kiss the cheeks of an invasion of illiterates who will vote for Democrats (not). Warren's chance of actually winning the hearts of the Middle Class which she actually thinks is stupid is like, no way no how now. Reality. Politicians and the government class seen by the Middle Class as actually their rude detractors are increaingly unliked by America, that is what Warren is, a politician.
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Edit Update 2 hours later: Hillary verse "Liz" ...
Also, even though it is not fair to judge a book by it's cover, in today's media age demeanor, looks when presenting themes, voice tone, body jerks and use of hands, all matters when running for President. As "bowling pin"-like Hillary has become, I actually took the time to watch the recent videos of Warren and Hillary has better "look appeal" and demeanor than Warren who to me with her jerking left to right, wiggling in the chair, and Warren's sort of "I am on meth" hand and finger jerking, her tone of "I am your Mother-In-Law" from hell, her Warren angry face with fingers pointing as if trying to imitate Eva Peron (who actually WAS a babe and really good at it and could have been even greater if she didn't die so young) but looks like a "I have meds and I like them" scattered witch, and she has the blinker old hag from Berkeley U face even in a business suit, well, she is a loser, sorry. She's an Eva Peron wanna'be that is literally a LOL bad act. No chance. Too much coffee, that lady needs to put down the crackabilly.
One of the videos was about a week prior to the elections. Boy was she wrong about everything besides. Wouldn't want her in charge of my retirement portfolio, I would lose everything I have due to her type and jerky one sighted queerness.
President? No, a Harry Reid type on coffee overdose at most. Good luck Warren pom poms.
Senate Majority (well, to be Minority after the shellacking and rejection of Obamanism by the American people in the recent Congressional elections) Leader Harry Reid (Democrat of Nevada) expanded his leadership team Thursday, including the addition of liberal leftist Elizabeth Warren (Democrat of Massachusetts), to beat back internal critics who were voting to have his liberal leftist leadership removed.
This is clearly an attempt by the leftists such as Reid who are rejected by America to beat back internal critics and cling to his powerhold on the Democratic Party in the Senate while even many Democrats now say it is time for his type of "leadership" of stonewalling and blocking any action by America to go the way of the dinosaur.
With Warren acting as the defensive line for such failed "leadership" fresh off of receiving huge amounts of money and "donations" from super rich donors who lobby for their own special interests by way of crony capitalism alliances of unaccountable big government and their personal riches, I have now changed my mind that Warren could be the alternative to Hillary Clinton.
It doesn't matter what lies and words she uses, she is just another Harry Reid look-a-like in realtime and not movie theatric OZ time, and I now predict she will be rejected by the American people who are wising up to these insulting selfish power hungry despots of divisionalism.
The gig is up, the Democrats had a chance to change but Warren is acting as a defensive linebacker to prevent ousting the gig-a-thon leadership that brought the shellacking by the Middle Class such gig-meisters richly deserved.
Warren now has no chance of winning in 2016, she is nothing more than such gig-meisters last hope to collect big donations from super rich types who have some kooky hatred of Middle America and want the Middle Class destroyed and who, like the architect of Obamacare, consider Americans "stupid" and easy to pull the wool over their eyes with spin and promises.
Despite the snub Hillary received recently, Warren is more gullible than the Americans she thinks are too stupid to keep their own Middle Class money. Her name is now "Misses Reid". Hillary's chances have improved now. As so typical, the Clinton's are good at the "game", probably better than Warren who is a Harry Reid part Two and will be rejected by Americans while the phony liberal news tells us we all love her like we all supposidly love Obamacare and a pourous Southern border and kiss the cheeks of an invasion of illiterates who will vote for Democrats (not). Warren's chance of actually winning the hearts of the Middle Class which she actually thinks is stupid is like, no way no how now. Reality. Politicians and the government class seen by the Middle Class as actually their rude detractors are increaingly unliked by America, that is what Warren is, a politician.
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Edit Update 2 hours later: Hillary verse "Liz" ...
Also, even though it is not fair to judge a book by it's cover, in today's media age demeanor, looks when presenting themes, voice tone, body jerks and use of hands, all matters when running for President. As "bowling pin"-like Hillary has become, I actually took the time to watch the recent videos of Warren and Hillary has better "look appeal" and demeanor than Warren who to me with her jerking left to right, wiggling in the chair, and Warren's sort of "I am on meth" hand and finger jerking, her tone of "I am your Mother-In-Law" from hell, her Warren angry face with fingers pointing as if trying to imitate Eva Peron (who actually WAS a babe and really good at it and could have been even greater if she didn't die so young) but looks like a "I have meds and I like them" scattered witch, and she has the blinker old hag from Berkeley U face even in a business suit, well, she is a loser, sorry. She's an Eva Peron wanna'be that is literally a LOL bad act. No chance. Too much coffee, that lady needs to put down the crackabilly.
One of the videos was about a week prior to the elections. Boy was she wrong about everything besides. Wouldn't want her in charge of my retirement portfolio, I would lose everything I have due to her type and jerky one sighted queerness.
President? No, a Harry Reid type on coffee overdose at most. Good luck Warren pom poms.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm having a very difficult finding anything in the above post that's even close to being correct-- partisan hyperbole on top of more partisan hyperbole. Still looking though-- there's gotta be something well hidden in there that's true. Maybe the word "the" is.
Monk Of Reason
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Of all current politicians she would be the one I would vote for. If I had to choose from every candidate I have ever known that can run for presidency and is currently alive she would be the one I choose.
I would like to see what kind of dirt people can bring up on her though.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
But what is her platform? What would she do and how would she do it? What's her plan? The country just suffered through six years of pie-in-the-sky, empty rhetoric, give us just one of her meat and potatoes ideas (yeah, I'm hungry now).
Monk Of Reason
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Historically some of the things she has supported that I am highly in favor of wouuld be the .5% interest rate on college loans for students. Re-instating banking regulations that was deregulated during the Clinton and Bush Jr. years.
She would be the second president to have ever openly supported Marriage Equality and she has even proposed National Marriage equality.
Pro-choice. Both of these two would be great for choosing Justices of the supreme court that I would like. She has a very "green" policy that surpasses even that of her other "liberals".
Pro-union.
Co-sponsored raising federal minimum wage.
Voted yes to limit subsidies on those whose income is 700,000 or more. Ect.
Overall I really really really really like her voting record. Here is her voting record if your interested in what she has already done.
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Did the Middle Class under Clinton rise thanks to the leadership of Bill as touted by Hillary as part of her Presidential campaign?
"The fact is, the middle class started declining in the late 1980s.... All through the ’90s, with the exception of two years, the middle class was declining — except for the last two years.”
The Republicans had taken over the Congress by the time of the last two years of Clinton's office, at which time the state of the Middle Class rose.
Those aren't my words, those are V.P. Joe Biden at an American Federation of Teachers event in Washington D.C., yesterday (this Thursday) , counter exposing Hillary Clinton's often repeated claim on her campaign trail that the Clinton economy sustained a vibrant middle class.
It is obvious Joe Biden wants to run for President. However the latest polling has him over 50 points behind Hillary. However this is better than Warren, Biden has consistently been polling higher than Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren.
Biden is clearly setting the case that the best formula for the Middle Class is a combination of his Presidential Leadership as the Democrat victor in 2016 and a Republican Congess. Polling indicates he has a better chance than "Liz" who is trailing both Hillary and Uncle Joe.
"The fact is, the middle class started declining in the late 1980s.... All through the ’90s, with the exception of two years, the middle class was declining — except for the last two years.”
The Republicans had taken over the Congress by the time of the last two years of Clinton's office, at which time the state of the Middle Class rose.
Those aren't my words, those are V.P. Joe Biden at an American Federation of Teachers event in Washington D.C., yesterday (this Thursday) , counter exposing Hillary Clinton's often repeated claim on her campaign trail that the Clinton economy sustained a vibrant middle class.
It is obvious Joe Biden wants to run for President. However the latest polling has him over 50 points behind Hillary. However this is better than Warren, Biden has consistently been polling higher than Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren.
Biden is clearly setting the case that the best formula for the Middle Class is a combination of his Presidential Leadership as the Democrat victor in 2016 and a Republican Congess. Polling indicates he has a better chance than "Liz" who is trailing both Hillary and Uncle Joe.
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Agenda? Plan?
All she need do is smile & sprinkle speeches with pablum like "hope" & "change". She's already got the multicultural trifecta of being female, Americastanian Indian, & a progressive. Voters eat that stuff up.
Her agenda is to claim she is an American Indian, to some how get an edge on Hillary among the left. 42.9% of all caucasians in Oklahoma where she has roots claim they are a quater American Indian. It is a common claim. But the Cherokee Indian tribal leaders publically stated she is "not one of their own". So I don't think this is going to help her with being behind Uncle Joe in the polling averages while Joe is behind Hillary 50 points. But it would be fun to see her wearing a feathered Indian hat, though this would outrage those who want to protect endangered birds. So not a good idea. She can, however, smoke one of those cool American Indian long tobacco pipes as part of her campaign. But then most would crack jokes that it isn't tobacco in that pipe she's smoking considering some of her cameos. Probably not a good idea, either.
Midnight Rain
Well-Known Member
I like her. I'm not hugely political but I like her. If only she was in the green party.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Indeed. Comrade Warren would make a superb Democrat Candidate. *wrings hands in glee*
(What I find mildly surprising is that so many on RF seem to think she is exactly the tonic needed to invigorate the tired old Democrat ticket.)