Ending The Shutdown Is More Important Than Who Wins

[Revoltingest]

The title states my position.
The cost of in dispute is less than 1 month's cost of the shutdown.
Both sides are costing us dearly for what appears to be political posturing.
Anyone else agree?

 

[SalixIncendium]

I agree that Trump and the dems need to work out a deal to end the government shutdown, but if you include bacon in the vote, heavenly pork (or in my case, turkey) goodness wins every time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was torn, bacon also seems like a good answer. I agree that a deal must be worked out, but both sides need to see that they are not going to get it all their way. Trump has to bend a bit.

Or, and I am just throwing this out there, he gets his wall, Democrats get single payer health care. Win Win.

 

[LuisDantas]

It is an entirely constructed impasse, and Trump should learn a lesson about how adults behave already.

Better too late than never.

 

[Vinayaka]

I didn't vote cause I'm not a Merrykin, and even the bacon option wasn't palatable to me. It's just an opportunity to observe the consciousness of stubbornness.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

The stalwart Dem's in this issue are the same people who during Obama's term were not only for immigration reform, but declared there was need for a border wall. And the funding necessary was billions more then than what Trump projects now.
Therefore, it is all part of the record in those past years. And that means the current Dem's, one who claims a wall is immoral but was all for that immorality some 3+ years ago under Obama, are the reason this shutdown was made necessary.

Their blatant hypocrisy is on the record. And that means the only reason they oppose the wall is because this Republican president reiterated the need for what the former Democrat one did.
And the other thing that most outlets won't report.

That little "trip" Pelosi and the Dem's were planning to Afghanistan to say thanks to our troops there and get security reports? Was part of their strategy to continue playing party victims of Trump.

They had no intention of going to Afghanistan. For one thing, as Trump even said during the campaign, it isn't intelligent in the least to broadcast travel plans to a hot zone so that the enemy can prepare to intercept and do harm.

Pelosi and her people that were going on this trip knew that Trump would stop the flight. And well he should.
There's negotiation to be done here when the government is shut down. No one in government during a shutdown goes on a diplomatic mission to a hot zone.
Unless they want the president to do the right thing, cancel the flight because the trip is unnecessary, so that what needs to be done here takes priority.

Besides that, the tell that Pelosi was plotting this was evident when she said the purpose for the trip was to get security updates.
Those are of no consequence to the House. Or its speaker.

It is the purview of the Commander in Chief of the armed forces who are in Afghanistan.

Nancy plotted this "trip" so that when Trump rightly shut it down, as she knew he would, in her mind it would make Trump look petty.
No lady, it makes you look predictable. And pathetic.

Nancy Pelosi is the best the House can do for its speaker. Amid all the Democrats qualified, a woman that said this on the record is the best the Dem's have:

(Reported at Real Clear Politics:Pelosi: "Mowing The Grass So People Can't Be Smuggled Through Grass" Better Border Solution Than Wall)


Politico ( A Leftist reporting outlet)
Democratic candidates vow to dump Pelosi

A growing number of hopefuls say they won’t back her for speaker if Democrats win the House. Pelosi has little margin for error.
By ELENA SCHNEIDER and HEATHER CAYGLE
06/20/2018
Updated 06/20/2018 08:22 AM EDT

 

[Revoltingest]

I didn't vote cause I'm not a Merrykin, and even the bacon option wasn't palatable to me. It's just an opportunity to observe the consciousness of stubbornness.

I say it would be fine for thoughtful ferriners to vote.
And we find "Merrykin" offensive.
We prefer "Ameristanian".

 

[Sunstone]

I agree ending the shutdown is more important than who wins, given the cost of this shutdown to the American people. However, it would be a false dichotomy to say that who wins cannot also be important, albeit not as important as ending the shutdown. Whatever means of ending the shutdown are worked out, they must not encourage Trump to use these tactics in the future. That could cost the American people even more than this one shut down.

Also, I think this is one of those cases in which the polls show most Americans understand Trump is to blame for the shutdown -- rather than the Dems, or rather than both Trump and the Dems. I think that's important because blaming the wrong party for the shutdown just lets Trump off the hook and encourages him to pull these sorts of stunts going forward.

When a toddler misbehaves, there are many ways of dealing with his or her tantrum, but the most reasonable ways do not encourage the toddler to throw more and bigger tantrums in the future.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

The title states my position.
The cost of in dispute is less than 1 month's cost of the shutdown.
Both sides are costing us dearly for what appears to be political posturing.
Anyone else agree?

bacon requires no explanation; you either get it or you don't...

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

At some point, both Trump and the Democrats … and the Republicans … have to recognize that en fin they are all on the same team. America. And right now, due to the intransigence of all of them, a lot of Americans are suffering, in ways that nobody in any of the three houses in Washington is ever going to suffer. Their highest duty is to those who elected them...the American people.

 

[Revoltingest]

At some point, both Trump and the Democrats … and the Republicans … have to recognize that en fin they are all on the same team. America. And right now, due to the intransigence of all of them, a lot of Americans are suffering, in ways that nobody in any of the three houses in Washington is ever going to suffer. Their highest duty is to those who elected them...the American people.

You're so reasonable.
No wonder you're so hated.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You're so reasonable.
No wonder you're so hated.

Am I indeed? Hated? There's a comeuppance for me!

 

[Estro Felino]

At some point, both Trump and the Democrats … and the Republicans … have to recognize that en fin they are all on the same team. America. And right now, due to the intransigence of all of them, a lot of Americans are suffering, in ways that nobody in any of the three houses in Washington is ever going to suffer. Their highest duty is to those who elected them...the American people.

Trump hates Soros, the Rothschilds, he wants to nationalize the FED, revolutionize the World Bank, withdraw all troops from the ME....
so please! They are not in the same team!

 

[Vinayaka]

I say it would be fine for thoughtful ferriners to vote.
And we find "Merrykin" offensive.
We prefer "Ameristanian".

Sorry, sorry, so sorry. I though Merrykin would be complimentary. I consider Ameristanians my North American brothers and sisters, in other words, kin. And merry should hold on its own. So a jolly brother you are. But if you prefer Grumpy Stranger, fine.

As to that problem to the south of Canuckistan, I've always figgered that your constitution, differing quite a lot from ours, when it added that third component, the Pres, it gave that office a bit too much power than necessary. Our main guy doesn'r hold the same power. So methinks that may be the crux of the problem. it was just a matter of time before somebody came along to test the limits. Mayhaps this will be a lesson that gets some thoughts going as to reducing that power.

Random thoughts from a ferriner.

 

[Revoltingest]

Am I indeed? Hated? There's a comeuppance for me!

Oh, yeah....I've heard the rumor (which I started).

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry, sorry, so sorry. I though Merrykin would complimentary. I consider Ameristanians my North American brothers and sisters, in other words, kin. And merry should hole on it's own. So a jolly brother you are. But if you prefer Grumpy Stranger, fine.

As to that problem to the south of Canuckistan, I've always figgered that your constitution, differing quite a lot from ours, when it added that third component, the Pres, it gave that office a bit too much power than necessary. Our main guy doesn'r hold the same power. So methinks that may be the crux of the problem. it was just a matter of time before somebody came along to test the limits. Mayhaps this will be a lesson that gets some thoughts going as to reducing that power.

Random thoughts from a ferriner.

We, who are near Detroit, head south to go to Canuckistan.

 

[Vinayaka]

We, who are near Detroit, head south to go to Canuckistan.

What's Mexicantown?

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

I say it would be fine for thoughtful ferriners to vote.
And we find "Merrykin" offensive.
We prefer "Ameristanian".

Speak for yourself please.
It's American.
Lots of peoples relatives died to make that so.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I say it would be fine for thoughtful ferriners to vote.
And we find "Merrykin" offensive.
We prefer "Ameristanian".

You find "Merrykin" offensive? How about something a little more "fun," like "Merkin?"

 

[Revoltingest]

What's Mexicantown?

Good Mexican restaurants & grocery stores as I recall.