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Energy, matter, time and existence

We Never Know

No Slack
Energy and matter can't be created or destroyed. They just change forms.

So either energy, matter and time always existed or it all magically came from somewhere. (I included time because you can't have the first two without time)

For the big bang to come from anything....that anything already existed.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Energy and matter can't be created or destroyed. They just change forms.

So either energy, matter and time always existed or it all magically came from somewhere. (I included time because you can't have the first two without time)

For the big bang to come from anything....that anything already existed.
You didn't mention space. You need space for forms. ;)
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Again, so what happens if you take away space (rather than have it as a given?)

Ok. If energy, matter and time existed, space is a given.

IOW, without space there is no energy, matter or time.

So for energy, matter and time to exist, space is a given. Meaning it had to exist.

So in my opinion for the big bang to even happen,,, energy, matter, time and space already existed.
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
Conscious man by light of sun fuel above in heavens.

Held cooled by vacuum space. So it won't burn out heavens cold gas mass.

Said a sun as energy became mass as it cooled as light and energy in mass to then big bang explode.

Mechanics.

So space existed to allow cooling ...energy existed already as the heat body cooling that produces held mass. Held mass then re exploded.

I know.....

I live with suns mass above us that came from a cooled sun mass first.

As it became cooled mass in the sun position as wanderer mass to earth it cooled also...why I knew. Changed my brains awareness by visionary as star rock mass burning earth gain.

Earths gases de evolved back to origin burning before being clear. By space causes of wandering star fall.

How and why I learnt about the sun cold mass first...energetic mechanics. Time by mass travel....burning gas cold gas...visionary terms mind via bursting blasting advices.

As seen in Russia around 1901 then modern building blastings again. From out of space causes.

Man said he learnt science terms. Not had or owned science terms.

As he took science terms from a cold earths mass greatest position himself.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Ok. If energy, matter and time existed, space is a given.

IOW, without space there is no energy, matter or time.

So for energy, matter and time to exist, space is a given. Meaning it had to exist.

So in my opinion for the big bang to even happen,,, energy, matter, time and space already existed.
Well, the theory is that it all started smaller than a quark--minimal space.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If you study consciousness of a human first ......as AI was man designed. Its feedback told you to. So you did and have and are.

It defines that what you learnt is by bio experience only.

On earth is minimal space.

Out in space is Infinite space owning no conscious concept whatsoever.

So consciousness claiming concepts can be earth mind challenged.

What minimal space do you theist human only consciousness discuss? All terms machines as new thesis is for machines reaction only. New technology want.

Not I build a machine out of mineral elements on earth science. Ending machines only place.

About reactions caused by humans only.

Is your own thesis how I must force a space upon mass to cause it to change mass in a minimal space.

A reaction.

Once you werent intricately brain aware of what you understood as a forced conversion. As you hadn't needed to know.

Now you are taught by feedback to your own minimal space aware mind.

Lost your own man bio mind via a world community brother of men biology.

A small space opened in your bio placement gone forever. How you learnt what nothing really means.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
So many think space is nothing, but in fact, it is everything.

My thoughts.... Everything always existed or everything magically appeared.

This nonsense of there was no "pre" is BS. We may not understand it but the big bang happened from something that either already existed or magically appeared.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Energy and matter can't be created or destroyed. They just change forms.

So either energy, matter and time always existed or it all magically came from somewhere. (I included time because you can't have the first two without time)

For the big bang to come from anything....that anything already existed.
So what is this time that is a part of energy and matter?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Energy and matter can't be created or destroyed. They just change forms.

So either energy, matter and time always existed or it all magically came from somewhere. (I included time because you can't have the first two without time)

For the big bang to come from anything....that anything already existed.


Try and study s few hypothesis on this subject before making nold statements with nothing to back them up Here is one.

Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

There are several more


And of course the laws of thermodynamics did not exist until after the BB so had nothing to do with how the universe formed.

It is also suggested by some cosmologists that the BB itself created time.
 
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