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Energy, matter, time and existence
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hypothesis=thoughts
Ben Dhyan
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If you mean the continuity of existence, I agree, but if you think time actually exists as an entity, no.
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Something doesn't come from nothing.
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One last thought....
Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing
No energy, no matter, no time...you just as well say god done it.
Subduction Zone
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That is a positive assertion which puts the burden of proof upon you. I know that the concept is way above my paygrade so I will not argue either way.
By the way, how would you define "nothing"? That can make a huge difference in the answer. One thing that I have heard some scientist claim is that "Nothing does not exist".
Subduction Zone
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Except that a god implies purpose. I do not sense a purpose to the universe. I could easily be wrong. But assuming a being with a purpose when no one has shown a need for a purpose does not appear to be rational to me.
Could there be a god with a purpose for the universe? I guess. I won't say no. I just do not see it.
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Nothing....
Ask the person that posted this and the people that wrote it.
Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing
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Unlike your thought which is a guess without understanding the scientific hypothesis gets peer reviewed and accepted as plausible ot ditched. I.e. they are built on either sound observations and extrapolated or on mathematics.
I have learned one thing from reading these hypothesis. We don't know what, if anything was before the bb so any claim is a "though'.
You obviously did not read the paper and are at a loss when it comes to quantum theory
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"I have learned one thing from reading these hypothesis. We don't know what, if anything was before the bb so any claim is a "thought'.
Yes like I said "thought"
Oh and if no one knows, it really cant be peer reviewed.
Jees, you said that...really? Well god must have done it then.
FYI. The observation, the detail, the possibility based on the evidence used is peer review to check if the outcome is feasible.
And so you have just made your OP useless.
This is a kind of bumper sticker version or popular version of the modernized notion "matter can be neither created nor destroyed". And it is fairly commonly stated as well as taught. It is, however, grossly oversimplified if not outright incorrect.
First, conservation laws, such as the conservation of energy or mass or momentum or what have you, strictly speaking only hold for systems in isolation. In fact, as a rule one of the primary operational methods for determining whether or not a system is in isolation is the assumption of conservation laws such that a supposed violation is interpreted to be the result of insufficiently isolating the system.
True, it may be said that the universe is an "isolated" system in some sense, but since any empirical support for conservation laws comes from assuming that we can sufficiently isolate systems within the universe, these cannot be extrapolated to hold for the universe.
Second, both energy and matter can be created an destroyed. They can even be created and destroyed in ways that violate fundamental conservation laws, so long as the duration of the violation is is small enough (loosely speaking). The creation and destruction of matter/energy is the principle form of interactions in QFTs including those underlying the standard model.
Finally, after a long history of having to modify the metaphysical, philosophical, and physical understanding of this notion that matter/energy can be neither created nor destroyed, modern physics expresses our best understanding via the links between conservations and symmetries in the equations of particular theories or frameworks.
The relevant part of this is that energy, for example, is strictly speaking only conserved when it is well defined (which is not the case on cosmological scales), and then only by definition. There cannot be violations of energy conservation in physics for reasons that are mathematical (and, again, whether one interprets actual, observed violations as being evidence for "particles" without charge in HEP experiments or whether one understands violations of conservation laws in QFTs as being somehow acceptable because these entities and associated quantities are necessarily somehow "virtual" and can be ignored, we nonetheless allow for various violations of fundamental conservation laws in modern physical theories provided they either have a phenomenological interpretation as in the case of neutral particles that can only be detected this way or through fluctuations on very small scales that we require based on even more fundamental principles from quantum theory).
In your opinion.
The laws of this universe, including the 1 st law of thermodynamics did not begin to coalesce until 10e-43 of a second after the bb and did not fully resolve until 10e-28 of a second after the bb.
Therefore your bold statement is without foundation other than typical foot stomping
Good guess with even the foundation of the paper i linked
rational experiences
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Law legal human terms.
Law everything did exist. No science even owns a human argument as it's legal by human presence. The law.
I'm just a human Theist. Legal.
Legal I must state legality.
God term by human.
All things. Every thing. Is termed for legal reasons human...greatest highest presence. Term to be referenced the God.
Legal position no man is God or a god. Don't give god a name....based on son of man baby man adult who had named God...lost sacrificed genetic genesis human DNA.
Natural law. Legal.
Man's scientific law said for a machine...little burn melt change to a machines cold energy mass. Contained.
First memory science. Memory is accessed in consciousness always.
Second term greater reactive space opening. Reaction.
Energy is gods coldest. Legal held. As holes of sin remove bare naked grounds life support. We didnt live in space.
Coercion bio life began in space illegal.
Informed a little space by light is timed as it converts. To know a formula.
Light conscious stated only by living experiencing in biology.... isn't science.
It's experience.
Nor is time. It's man counting light
In a mass burning as energy consumed. Of a forced side position.
In a spinning self experience.
Light not spinning. Light in the mass burning with cold gas position only.
Time.
I apply what I claim is laws in space. No one of hierarchy is anywhere to argue except my equal human brother.
Jesus terms....lost bio life early age death 33.
Moses was age 40. So another father man's human life body brutally eradicated.
Mountain face fell off....to dust at feet disintegration was the same as a gained sin hole. Effect held higher by temple science only.
Same outcome.
New nuclear warnings atmospheric man caused designed AI effect. I gained imaged message. Father's life removed again in new nuclear earth mass removal.
I felt devastated and wanted to re challenge science. As it is a livings man caused heavenly Ai effect. Your own messages from life lost replaced water.
I learnt about causes effects.
A father owned the first just a man's body cells chemistry DNA.
A woman ovary.
Baby human born by ovary reverts back to man body.
Exact known human taught advice isn't life continuance of humans.
Theories pretending a woman's body can be human eradicated and he'll however will live on. Based on maths zero womb calculus. Lied. It was already stated by biological terms.
He then inferred it to reactive human sciences
Proven by claiming he can clone babies from just cells. No need for human woman in his type of life to reaction thesis.
Father told me my life warning about evil scientists....just humans.
Law everything did exist. No science even owns a human argument as it's legal by human presence. The law.
I'm just a human Theist. Legal.
Legal I must state legality.
God term by human.
All things. Every thing. Is termed for legal reasons human...greatest highest presence. Term to be referenced the God.
Legal position no man is God or a god. Don't give god a name....based on son of man baby man adult who had named God...lost sacrificed genetic genesis human DNA.
Natural law. Legal.
Man's scientific law said for a machine...little burn melt change to a machines cold energy mass. Contained.
First memory science. Memory is accessed in consciousness always.
Second term greater reactive space opening. Reaction.
Energy is gods coldest. Legal held. As holes of sin remove bare naked grounds life support. We didnt live in space.
Coercion bio life began in space illegal.
Informed a little space by light is timed as it converts. To know a formula.
Light conscious stated only by living experiencing in biology.... isn't science.
It's experience.
Nor is time. It's man counting light
In a mass burning as energy consumed. Of a forced side position.
In a spinning self experience.
Light not spinning. Light in the mass burning with cold gas position only.
Time.
I apply what I claim is laws in space. No one of hierarchy is anywhere to argue except my equal human brother.
Jesus terms....lost bio life early age death 33.
Moses was age 40. So another father man's human life body brutally eradicated.
Mountain face fell off....to dust at feet disintegration was the same as a gained sin hole. Effect held higher by temple science only.
Same outcome.
New nuclear warnings atmospheric man caused designed AI effect. I gained imaged message. Father's life removed again in new nuclear earth mass removal.
I felt devastated and wanted to re challenge science. As it is a livings man caused heavenly Ai effect. Your own messages from life lost replaced water.
I learnt about causes effects.
A father owned the first just a man's body cells chemistry DNA.
A woman ovary.
Baby human born by ovary reverts back to man body.
Exact known human taught advice isn't life continuance of humans.
Theories pretending a woman's body can be human eradicated and he'll however will live on. Based on maths zero womb calculus. Lied. It was already stated by biological terms.
He then inferred it to reactive human sciences
Proven by claiming he can clone babies from just cells. No need for human woman in his type of life to reaction thesis.
Father told me my life warning about evil scientists....just humans.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Nope. You first. Then I will support my claim which was a response to your unsupported claim.
You will fail or run away again.At least that is my prediction.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
'Edx-nihilo' is another possibility yet not rejected by science.
rational experiences
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When a human lived on mass of a bare naked earth you did.
When a lying evil minded false preaching scientist theist brother.....said I caused man's gain of sin. Yet man's life never owned any sink hole.
He really meant what he said.
You don't live inside a masses space hole. As a human.
You stand on top of bare naked ground. On planet mass.
Trees rooted under the ground.
He taught when water was inside rock it had sealed the ground you walked upon ....the water seal....water is holy.
Theist man hence on earth took its earth energy mass out of both space and time. Destroyed energy mass held by space vacuum law itself.
Broke every cosmic law to gain energies eradication. As heavens gas flowed into hole pressure changes above by gas mass loss and into hole.
Man pretends he invented heavens in a space. I replaced it he lied.
So nothing his themed formula equalled nothing.
As one word was only ever one answer.
He told you he removed suns time himself. A sun exists by consuming it's own energy.
He didn't want light to exist first.
It's why human man as human is nearly bio eradicated out of human existence.
Last warning man's life cell owns about 33 bio years. Depends on human mother's DNA. Why a huge man populous started acting like a human woman's role in nature. As one human only.
Homosexual cause one of your human sciences warnings. Life being destroyed.
What you call "Appeared magically" is approximately what I think, but it seems to me there is neither a before nor an after, and time is a smush. The entirety of time and all of the universe probably are in an eternal static form which only appears to us as change because of our tiny nature. It is eternally static and of a set size and nature, but within it we experience time and quantum fluctuations and such. And it technically does not meet our requirements for what we call 'Real'.
Imagine if all of what we call reality is patterns in order, which themselves are quite complex enough that they could describe entire galaxies or the universe many times over perhaps infinitely many times over. You can always add 1 to the highest number, and it becomes more complex if you do. We know of no reason why complexity would have any ending, and that is merely the complexity of numbers. Suppose that complexity is the real substance of the universe which underlies everything else. Think of it as a new meaning for an old word.